Is Bush a failure as a president?

yes, recession, the iraq war and a rise in faggots in San Fransico.. Its terrible and im moving to Iran.

 

So electing Al-Gore will guarantee freedom? Just because Al-Gore won popular vote doesn't mean he automatically wins presidency. Not only that consider the fact that there may have been many Americans who did not speak out about their choice of president thus making statistics less accurate. Fact is George W. Bush won the presidency. And the war has little affect on what people thing about us. Before the war, Iraq and Iran both hated us. The present state of America's well-being with the world is judged upon our "popular religion" which is christianity. Iraq and Iran are made up of Islamic Extremist who believe that their religion is the only religion. Thus, making them hate us because, we do not support their religion. And the reason we are slowly losing our freedom is because of liberals such as Al-Gore and Hillary Clinton who "want" to force health care insurance on us. First off, America was built on freedom. Shall I define freedom? Freedom - exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc. Meaning, Hillary and Al-Gore are slowly but surely exerting external control and regulation. Just to be fair its not just Hillary and Al-Gore that are pulling these strings. I've wasted to much of time explaining this to people. So I am going to tell you what I think of George W. Bush.

I thing G.W.B. did what he could and thought was right. Which makes him a decent president, not a good president. But, a decent one. Not only is a decent president for doing what he thought was in the best interest of the American citizens. He is a good man.

 

Iran and Iraq are not "made up of Islamic Extremists". They are a small, albeit vocal, group.

George W. Bush knew perfectly well that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction before he invaded. The invasion was not justified.

 

I respect your opinion, ShredderBeam. But, How do you know that Bush did not know that weapons of mass destruction did not exist in Iraq. And let me rephrase that part about Islamic Extremists. They have Islamic Extremist that use violence to cause anarchy. Thus, springing an uprising of Iraq's citizens. And when American's do not leave Iraq. They hate the U.S.! Its fact. They hate us because were trying to help and because we are of a different religion. They will not accept help from "infidels" such as Americans. When Bush executed the invasion of Iraq his mission was to find these "weapons of mass destruction" and dispose of them. When the first phase of the plan had failed and he saw what was going on in Iraq. He executed operation Iraqi Freedom. Operation Iraqi Freedom is for the good of not only Iraq but for the good of American National Security and the rest of the world's national security. America is playing its roll as the world's peace keeper. And we are doing a damn good job of it.

 

Bush was planning the war for quite a few years prior to 2003: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

Just one choice example of data twisting:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/eveningnews/main560449.shtml

Also, the United Nations weapon inspectors declared Iraq WMD-free.

Again: Not all Iraqis are extremists.

How was Iraq a threat to the national security of any nations?

 

I love how your getting into this debate, Shredderbeam. First off, I never said that all Iraqi's are extremist nor did I imply it. I simply was stating that there are some Iraqi Extremists that do cause these kinds of up-risings. I did not have time to read the entire page of both links but I skimmed through them and caught the point of your view. What I think you are trying to say is that Bush intentionally planned the war. If i'm not mistaken. I have not come across this theory nor do I believe it... yet. It sounds like a big conspiracy to make Bush look like a... shall I say terrorist to the Iraqi or Islamic nations? And also, Iraq and Iran before the war were always neck and neck. But they both hated Jewish people, meaning they hated Isreal. Iran has made threats in the past to nuke Isreal. There is your threat to the national security of other nations. And keep in mind Iran and Iraq were both of the same mentality.

 

Yes, the invasion of Iraq was a "conspiracy", if you want to phrase it that way, what with oil company executives being invited to the planning meetings, Haliburton being given a no-bid contract to rebuild Iraq, the lack of ANY evidence that there were WMD's, etc.

 

I see where your going with this. It just seems in-humane to even consider anyone would go to war with another country just to obtain a resource when here in the United States we have two or is it three of the biggest oil reserves in the world. I believe one is stationed in Alaska and the other in Utah... not entirely sure. But, since we have a lot of enviromentalist in the United States it is not possible to drill without legal confrontation. So your theory can be a possibility. I'm not one to rule out possibilities, I like to keep an open-mind about these things. I want to look further into this theory. And your claim ties in with the faked 9/11 theory as well. They plan 9/11 to make the American people think that there is a "real threat". I don't really know and I am not about to jump to conclusions. I'd much rather have hard evidence before I come to any major conclusion about Bush's term. But, as far as I can tell he did what was necessary in the best interests of the American people.

 

well i agree to all your points i don't know how he has won the elections in the past but he somehow did :S

 

I don't know about other parts so I won't talk about.
I know about this part so I have to say the Bush was the worst in America history. Beside terrorism in Iraq and actually I like ''Mosh'' For Eminem. It says alot. He made many damages to America it self. The war with Iraq made Oil price go up crazy and Middle East Countries gain more and more money. Now companies which really depends on oil losing and they had to closed. There are actaully 60000 ppl have been fired because there is no money in the company. How many American and Iraqis ppl were killed Cuz of that war ?. Children,women and old ppl.So, I think that he is the worst.

 

He wasn't a complete failure, but for the most part YES.

 

No, no president is a failure.

Apart from the UKs current prime minister, (Gordan Brown) who sux & is fat :sick:

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QEQOvyGbBtY

^This is a perfect example ^
He wasn't a fail he was an epic fail

 

Okay, lets look at this from your point of view. First of all the damages caused by Bush were not entirely by Bush. Did Bush tell the Iraqi Terrorists of 9/11 to carry out their operations? I'm pretty sure he did not, although there is reason to believe he did. And before you say if we hadn't of been in this war it wouldn't of happened. Im sorry to tell you this but, yes it would have. Many middle-eastern countries already hated the U.S. for supporting Isreal. Also, the oil prices were going up gradually with-out the war. We were already having problems with oil. Which is part of the reason we went to war. If you recall we were having problems with Iraq, 9/11 ended with us taking Iraq down. About how many people have been taken by this war. My sorrow is with them but, consider this... How many American lifes were takin during the 9/11 bombings, WTC bombings, and other terrorist bombings? How many innocent peoples lifes? The American Armed Forces weren't established to give Americans the chance to gain money and wealth. They were established to protect America, so the people that have died protecting America... Did it because they love America. Let's not make their deaths reasonless. Pulling out of America would be a mistake until we are certain the terrorists of Iraq will not pursue us on the way back home. The Islamic Extremists of Iraq(I didnt say all Iraqis were extremist either.) must be eliminated before we pull-out or else the America's National Security is doomed. And we all know this deep down inside... If they attack us before the war? Whose to say they won't after the war?

 

There's no reason to suspect that Bush had anything to do with 9/11. By the way, most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi, not Iraqi.

The US could always have continued to buy oil instead of conquering and plundering. Besides, the Iraq war wasn't about getting the oil itself, it was about control over the oil and access to the oil, and maintaining dominance in the Middle East.

The US-Iraqi death ratio is about 1:150 at the minute, and that includes all the American soldiers and American terrorist attack victims. Let's not make their deaths meaningless? What? You mean let's continue occupying a country which had nothing to do with 9/11.

Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi, not Iraqi. Furthermore, the war will create a new generation of people bitter towards the US who invaded and ruined their homes and country. The first thing America needs to do if it wants to stop terrorism is to stop participating in it.

 

There is no reason to suspect he was involved with the 9/11 terrorists? Let me just say Google the 9/11 Conspiracy or just go to youtube.com and look it up. There is endless evidence that the United States government could have planned the 9/11 attacks. Basically, Bush is president of the US and therefore he would have knowledge of this operation.

OPEC controls the oil prices and OPEC is a middle-eastern organization. Also, if I am wrong please correct me. OPEC is stationed in Saudi Arabia. The worlds leading oil provider I believe. The Saudi's attacked us you say? Then what gives you reason to believe that when we started buying more and more oil from them they would'nt of raised the prices anyway? I mean they hate us right, you did say most of the terrorists from 9/11 were Saudis. And like I said before... the war in Iraq is called "Operation Iraqi Freedom" for a reason. If it was over oil and control a more suitable name would be "Operation Iraqi Oil" or something of the sort.

Nothing to do with 9/11? Iraq has a lot of Islamic Extremists... the Iraqis that helped in the 9/11 hijackings were Islamic Extremists. The solution to the problem with Islamic Extremists is elimation. Its the truth, sorry it has to be that way. But, wether we like it or not they will keep coming because, they hate America. Simple as that.

Your looking at this the wrong way. You should realize that if America is succesful and does create a Democracy in Iraq. If they help Iraq rebuild its ecomomy and help Iraq achieve a point to where they can take care of them-selves then Iraq would have no reason to hate us and be bitter towerds us. That is the whole point of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Also, we did give the Islamic Extremists of Iraq a chance to back down. And allow peace to be brought upon their lands.

What I would of done:

Most likely if I would have control over the situation. I would of first found out who caused the terrorists attack on American soil. Then I would pursue them in war. I would not take advantage of that particular nation's or nations oil reserve. I would allow American Armed Forces to take out the terrorist group and organization that caused the attacks. Afterwards, I would help rebuild the country in the means they see fit. Meaning, If they wanted a Communist society then so be it. It's their choice and their people. I would never go about telling a country what it should do and how it should do it. That was one of Bush's mistakes. He declared right off that Iraq was going to be a democracy instead of allowing the people to decide what it was going to be. He did make mistakes but, he was certainly not the worst president in the history of the US. As someone said in an earlier topic.

Thank you for this debate. I believe I have made my point. I am done with this thread.

~Thank you, Deskull.

 

There is no reason to suspect he was involved with the 9/11 terrorists? Let me just say Google the 9/11 Conspiracy or just go to youtube.com and look it up. There is endless evidence that the United States government could have planned the 9/11 attacks. Basically, Bush is president of the US and therefore he would have knowledge of this operation.

OPEC controls the oil prices and OPEC is a middle-eastern organization. Also, if I am wrong please correct me. OPEC is stationed in Saudi Arabia. The worlds leading oil provider I believe. The Saudi's attacked us you say? Then what gives you reason to believe that when we started buying more and more oil from them they would'nt of raised the prices anyway? I mean they hate us right, you did say most of the terrorists from 9/11 were Saudis. And like I said before... the war in Iraq is called "Operation Iraqi Freedom" for a reason. If it was over oil and control a more suitable name would be "Operation Iraqi Oil" or something of the sort.

Nothing to do with 9/11? Iraq has a lot of Islamic Extremists... the Iraqis that helped in the 9/11 hijackings were Islamic Extremists. The solution to the problem with Islamic Extremists is elimation. Its the truth, sorry it has to be that way. But, wether we like it or not they will keep coming because, they hate America. Simple as that.

Your looking at this the wrong way. You should realize that if America is succesful and does create a Democracy in Iraq. If they help Iraq rebuild its ecomomy and help Iraq achieve a point to where they can take care of them-selves then Iraq would have no reason to hate us and be bitter towerds us. That is the whole point of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Also, we did give the Islamic Extremists of Iraq a chance to back down. And allow peace to be brought upon their lands.

What I would of done:

Most likely if I would have control over the situation. I would of first found out who caused the terrorists attack on American soil. Then I would pursue them in war. I would not take advantage of that particular nation's or nations oil reserve. I would allow American Armed Forces to take out the terrorist group and organization that caused the attacks. Afterwards, I would help rebuild the country in the means they see fit. Meaning, If they wanted a Communist society then so be it. It's their choice and their people. I would never go about telling a country what it should do and how it should do it. That was one of Bush's mistakes. He declared right off that Iraq was going to be a democracy instead of allowing the people to decide what it was going to be. He did make mistakes but, he was certainly not the worst president in the history of the US. As someone said in an earlier topic.

Thank you for this debate. I believe I have made my point. I am done with this thread.

~Thank you, Deskull.

 

^^ i don't know him, but his cocky arrogant persoanlity and government fed BS is similar to GWB's . i think he is GWB. In that case i recommend immediate ban!THERE'S NO WMD's here either!!!! go look in iraq some more.

 

Bush wasn't a complete failure but in many cases, yes.

 

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