What's your opinion on when you die?

Not true. Reincarnation is a process of people being reborn into life, but not necessarily as a human. Reincarnation means "to be made flesh again", but is an animal not flesh? Is a bear not flesh? You see you can be reborn into something not of the human nature, but of the living nature. In this belief, those who do believe in this, some essential sector of your body survives death, and is reborn into a new body, not necessarily a human body.

Of course its quite simple to say nothing happens, but explain to me than...What is a ghost? Because there have been filmed sightings which are documented and clarified. Also sightings amongst hundreds of thousands of people have been recorded, are they just insane? or do they have plausible reasoning? There are many loop holes in this reasoning, and without plugging those holes you can't make assumptions. It's just not logical reasoning.

As for you, this is possibly the poorest reasoning I have come across on this specific thread. When someone dies those who believe in life after death speak of something called a 'soul', which would be the self-aware essence unique to a particular living being. A 'soul' doesn't consist of bones, it consists of mostly spiritual being. Judgment Day is a day when you are brought upon your God, and judged before him. You don't wait for judgment day, thats just illogical to say because what does our 'soul' do, hang out in the grave? No, we are brought upon our God, whoever it may be.

You say what about cremation, which is as well foolish because the definition of 'soul' has nothing to do with the physical being of the body. You could use cremation as a reason to dispute reincarnation, but not being brought to our judgments. If your eaten alive, your 'soul' is brought to your judgment, not your physical being.

 

If you had read the quote i took then you would understand. He said that we wait in our grave until judgement day, which he is sayin you are still apart of the body.

Also, If you believe in judgement day it says in the bible that everyone that is deserving of heaven there bodys will be taken away to heaven and all that will be left is there clothes. why havnt we seen a mass of population dissapear yet? why would god need to take your body to heaven if he gives you a new one anyway?

We imagine that we have "souls," fabricate the concept of "eternal life" and then fantasize a place called "heaven," complete with streets of gold, calorie-free foods, frolicking virgins and whatever else we can come up with. Christians imagine it so vividly and repeat the fantasy so often that they actually believe it to be reality.

How bizarre can the fantasies get? Fly to Cairo and take a look at the Great Pyramid. There is the pyramid itself -- still one of the largest man-made objects on earth. In addition there is the whole mummification process, the disassembled boats, the sacred artwork and so on. All of this was designed to help the pharaoh reach the afterlife. We look at it now and we all know, with absolute certainty, that it was a complete and total waste of time. The Egyptian notion of the afterlife was a fantasy.

The Christian notion of the afterlife is a fantasy in exactly the same way. Heaven is completely imaginary, just like God.

 

Before this gets heated (because it will), lets just make sure that this is an intellectual debate and no harsh feelings.

Now, to break apart what you are saying. I do believe in judgment day although I am not a very religious person. Now if it does in fact say what you stated above in the bible, that isn't a literal statement. Your clothes could be referred to as your body, because what are bones? Our bones and flesh could be referred to as a protectorate of our 'souls'. Now you could say thats plain stupid, but in the AD's and BC's things were written in Hebrew, which wasn't much of a direct translation. When the Bible was translated these statements were estimates of what was trying to be expressed, so clothes in fact could be our flesh and bones. Your 'body' and 'soul' are basically one in one. Without a soul one dies, without a body one can't live, once death has reached you, your body is carried or brought upon judgment.

God does not give you a new 'body', your spiritual being is rested in heaven. Therefor, your not handed a new being but kept in the same 'soul' just at a newer, greater, and more spiritual level.

We didn't fantasize it, it was brought to us through scripture and lettering. Explain to me...How can a woman become impregnated without sexual intercourse, other than advanced technology? No one ever said heaven was lined with gold, and God realizes that not all are perfect and one can be forgiven for his actions as long as he is truly sorry. This means there well in fact could be imperfect people in heaven. You can't sit here and tell anyone that you know if this is reality or not, because it's unfathomable.

Fantasies are fantasies, they can get as bizarre as they are fathomed to be. What does God have to do with the Pharaoh? Nothing at all...they had their own practices and after life was viewed for them as something totally different than heaven. You can't take to separate view points and then combine them to establish a point. Just because they are both possibly 'fantasies' doesn't mean they were the same established thoughts and expectations. Also if it was possible to compare two such differences, how could you possibly say he never did reach after life? You honestly have no clue...it's a fantasy that one could believe they knew, theres your fantasy.

 

I agree with Brandeis . And we all will join the heaven or the heall after the judgment day . No one before but we r talking about souls . The Body die and rot but the soul not . And if did well it will see its place in heaven . If it did Bad it will see its place in hell . Good Luck everyone

 

When you die its like in dream , but it isnt l0l

 

Now, there is all this talk about judgement day, but tell me this. What do you think judgement day is? Hell breaking lose? Nuclear winter? What? You see, people can choose to believe that their soul will pass on to an afterlife and so believe that their body will help further the lives of others, no more. But you can not just say that judgement day will happen, many prophecies have not come true and some may not.

When you die, you can choose what you want to believe. But, if you say that you will proceed to heaven/hell when judgement day comes, please, elaborate.

Finally, some religions do not believe in a so-called "hell". Judaism for example, it believes that the longest a person could remain in a "hell" would be 11 months. Just shy of a year. So honestly, religion would have a lot to do with what happens after death. We will never really know, but would you want to? What would you do if you found out you would just rot? You would be sad and, well, maybe scared.

 

Had you read my post properly, you would've noticed that I was replying to another person whom said you would be born as a new person with a new mind.

Folklore, mythology, ghast, a soul that somehow escaped God's Heaven/Hell; despite His supposed omniscience and omnipotence?

There's also hundreds of thousands of people who have claimed to see goblins, dragons, cyclops, giants, and monsters. Surely, most of those sights were hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. I'm well aware that there is tons of films, photographs etc. of ghosts, but none of them have been verified, and I'm sure they all have a logical reason such as steam being misinterpreted as a ghostly figure, smoke, errors on the film, errors in the camera, dust, electromagnetic radiation - you name it.

If ghosts actually did exist, then their existence would have been empirically verified by scientists sighting them, not just some random redneck who saw something he couldn't explain; then instantly jumped to conclusions.

Thing is, there is no validated evidence that God, souls, Heaven and Hell exist in the first place. Atheists demands evidence, and Theists aren't capable of providing evidence, because the evidence simply doesn't exist.

Christian/Catholic: Do this and do that, believe this book or God will judge you and send you to Hell where you will burn for all eternity.

Muslim: Don't do what they say, but do this and do that, believe in this book or Allah will judge you!

Jew: You're all wrong! Believe in the Torah or our God will judge you!

See, how the fuck is one suppose to pick a religion, when all of the religious goofballs are completely convinced of their own self-righteousness; and none of them actually has any empirical evidence to suggest that it isn't just a bunch of horse shit which they spew?

 

I don't think judgment day is any specific day, it varies for all. If you have hung tight to your morals you will be brought upon your judgment within hours or days of your death. But on the other hand if you have strayed from practical and religious belief you will wait months possibly years for your judgment, leaving you in exile for the time being. It's no specific time, it's a time which is not set in stone.
Who says you can't choose what you want to believe? You have already chosen your path, whether it may be atheist, Judaism, or catholicism, which will decipher where you will be placed...who are we to say what occurs. If you are at an age where you have chosen no path...you probably will be free to decide. We can't clearly say what occurs, except for the fact that you are no longer a part of 'this' world.
It's physically and mentally impossible to find out if we just rot or we go to some place better.

 

When you die, there's nothing. Jack shit. Kayz? Now excuse me for saying this, but religion doesn't have any right here. There's no real proof for what happens, so why think that some guy with no real reason he's there other than a 2000-year-old book saying that he is, will judge you and take you to a place in a bunch of clouds and flying people with like wings and shit. When you die, your mind is done. You don't know anything when you die, your eyes, ears, nerves don't work anymore. You're done, and you won't even know it.

 

If it wasnt a literal statement then god is a lier and giving false hope. also, if what your saying is true and the bodies are left behind, then when judgement day comes a mass of the population would drop dead. so far we havnt seen millions of people drop dead all at the same time all over the world.

Talk to a theologist, ask him what happens to old people that go to heaven, he will tell you that god will make you a new one.

the bible is crap, if the bible says something you dont believe, you say its the translations. I know, you ask 100 different people about heaven and they will tell you a different story, they have there own fantasy about it.

Because they beleived that they would take there treasures with them, and they didnt. how can you be so sure that your god is real, and deny all other gods?

You, my friend have no clue. If you knew about the pharohs you would understand. im not saying they didnt go to the after life, im saying they didnt take there body and all there treasure. the honestly believe they took all there gold with them, as why they buried it with them.

Dont tell me i have no clue when I know more about the bible then you do and im not religious.

 

Can you be sure it's folklore, mythology, a ghast, or a soul? The answer is no. You also can't be sure it's a factual, or consistent. You say 'escaped', but maybe they are still in exile for the bad things which they have done throughout their lives and are still awaiting the day they will be judged, by whoever they may believe, they have to be judged by someone.

So your telling me...miracles and crazy occurrences are just falsified by minor malfunctions? Hundreds of possibly million of pictures...were mere malfunctions? So these people who have seen unexplainable occurrences and captured them on film and photos just know their not real? It's impossible to have figures like that.

You can't simply say that this is what religion is, many believe it's deeper than that. You are judged by someone if there is an after life. Because religion isn't something which you need empirical evidence to hold belief in...scientists don't have empirical evidence of UFO's, those pictures could as well be malfunctions, but they still hold that belief.

Judgment day isn't a set day for every person...I stated that above. It's different for every person who has been deceased from this world.

I;m saying that we can't translate what the bible says in a literal meaning. When people compose poetry many words and phrases are used in an un-literalistic form. You can have your own fantasy about heaven not existing, your just as 'crazy' as everyone else then.

I didn't deny all other, read more carefully...I'm saying theres no way scientists can say that all they did for the Pharaoh was not worth it, because no one can be sure where he actually went after his death.

Exactly...your making yourself look stupid now...my whole thesis is based around the fact that there no one has a clue...I'm just trying to show through my words that we can't know, and trying to contradict others to reveal to them that we can't know and it's not as simple as saying "nothing happens...we just rot". Possibly they couldn't take their treasure...but perhaps they reached where they wanted to. You claim you know more about the Bible...which you have no idea if you know more about it or not. I only briefly spoke on the Bible. Haha...you have absolutely no clue either, but I'm not claiming I know like you are. I am claiming that we can't be sure what happens, which makes this thread useless, because there is no fucking answer. Also, if you know more about the Bible congrats...
Does this quote sound familiar?....

Haha, you can't even make up your own mind. You can tell me whatever story you want about the Bible but no one can prove it's true nor false.

AMEN.

 

As someone who embraces both spirituality and rationality, here's my take on things...

We are made of energy, basic physics says that energy can not be created or destroyed, so we must assume that when you die your energy is redistributed into the universe in one form or another... As to how it's redistributed, I have no idea, it leaves many possibilities open.. it could merit some form of reincarnation (not necessarily human), or something completely strange, or it could just be as simple as the bacteria that eats your flesh when you die harvesting your energy (though that doesn't account for our real essence, the energy in our minds).

 

I agree with you ughster. also i like to think that because matter cannot be created or destroyed, that we have always been here. To what we have been for that last billions of years who knows.

 

I basically agree with all of your bases. But my addition is that i believe that our "matter" has a pre-assigned purpose for what it will do afterward. Will it be eaten by bacteria? Surrrreeee. Be reincarnated? Surrrrreeee. But i just think that we have a pre-determined purpose before our body decays.

 

Energy/matter can never be created or destroyed, yes, but this applies only to the particles that make up our body, not an emergent property of our neural networks.

 

It's great that you think that, but it can be just as false as you think it is true.

 

I don't really think it's a thought, more like a fact. There really is NO proof that there is something beyond death, just that God will save you, and religion to back it up. Prove that there is an afterlife.

 

But theres an equal and opposite thought, there also is NO proof that you don't go on to somewhere else. Prove that our spirits don't go on to somewhere else.

 

Burden of proof is upon you. If the only basis for claiming that something exists is that it has not been disproved, then you could claim that an invisible pink unicorn exists.

 

i dont really like talking about it, it makes me sick to my stumoch i hope diffrent shit happends like heavan, what about ghosts can someone explain what a ghost is, im not very sure because theres ghosts,riancarnation,heavan