The Existence of God

i personally dont believe there is. just doesnt make sence to me. but i still respect people that do believe there is a god. if thats what it takes to make u be a good person and it gets u thro every day then ill let that be

 

U know wat
This will neva ends
My duty was to tell u wat I know and I did . I have final exams in one month and alot of word so I really don't care if u believe in God or not .

Just this a simple story .If u woke up someday and found metals are connecting together for itself and no one holding it and then there was a car .
A car no one had made it and it made itself . Would u believe ur Eyes?

 

That wont happen though... try being more realistic

 

That situation does not appear in the real world. If you are referring to the "Ultimate 747 Gambit", I suggest that you actually do a little research on evolutionary theory.

 

I wouldnt believe god did it...

 

I personally think there is no god, or heaven / hell... but I believe who came up with it was a genius.

Many humans need something to believe in, the after life, god, hell, etc. because it keeps most people under control. without it, i think the human violence rate would be like... x100000 what it is now (no exaggeration). Think about it.... Alot of "bad" people have came true by "finding god".

Who ever came up with the idea of god is a genius... to be able to notice that people need someone to look up to... infact to even sit down and write the bible...

Im not trying to offend anyone here... but I just think that there is no god. There may have been a "Jesus" but what proof do we have that he was god's son... His whole "water into wine" trick, may have been just been that... an illusion... what we would call today a magic trick. there is no REAL evidence that there is a god... and until there is, I won't believe.

 

I will argue the existence of God another time when I am not completely annoyed with your complete stupidity.

Read my post on the "How do you know you are Right?" thread.

And after you read the post on that thread, again I point out, Big Bang Theory. Credibility is not the issue, Big Bang is not an important point, and you suck in a debate. Somewhere down the line you got the idea that if you can just throw in some basic knowledge, that you have made a valid argument pertaining to the debate at hand. Each of your arguments, however, go absolutely no where, and I don't even consider them rational. You failed at arguing my earlier post, so I am tempted to give you a second chance; so here it is:
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Do you believe in a God?
NO

 

And alot of people have been murdered and killed because of religion. I think the world will be a better place without it, you dont have to be religious to be a nice person, you can still be spiritual.

All these suicide bombers and terrorists dont think they are doing anything wrong, they think they are going straight to heaven. religion is a way of controlling people and to get them to do what you want which is not a good thing.

 

K , This is my last question . I want anyone want to know go and search Quraan Miracles . It has many sceintific miracles untill 2day (I put link in the prev page ) Read it and tell me how come that illiterate person from 1400 years go know wat will happen today . If anyone can explain this I will believe him . And its not one or two things . Actually evey part have its miracle . It challenged Future and past and present days . No one had ever found a mistake in it . It told someone that he will die without joining in Islam . This person knew that and he could just join to Islam to destroy all of this but as always the Quraan was right and he died without joining in Islam .
This for the past , Now If I wrote about scientific miracles I would spend forever so just go and read and then explain good luck .

And If u can't believe that car can't make itself how can u believe that the whole universe made it self ?

gd luck

 

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/by_name.html

The Quran has contradictions and fallacies just like any other religious text.

 

The miracles in the Quran are all easily explainable. To take just one that Muslims frequently cite as "proof", the Quran states that the moon reflects the light of the Sun. Yes, this is obvious. A man of any intelligence could have figured this out. Why, in fact, somebody did! Aristotle, over a thousand years before Mohamed lived, figured out that the world was round, and that the moon reflected the sun.

There are certainly mistakes in the Quran: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

The universe made itself? Whoever said that anything "made" it?

 

But car can't make it self or even an Orange can't cut itself
funny

Ur site isn't working so put the mistakes here :S

And as I said u explained only one miracle and there are thousands of them and above that ppl haven't known that moon reflects the sun rays so please don't say it make sense cuz I don't think u can eva hear urself

About this Big Bang and theory u keep talking about please go here and then talk . Don't go to wierd sites that doesn't work and keep saying wierd things

BigBang


Now Go and explain these Miracles before trying to answer :-
Here

Please don't post bullshits like all ppl can know that cuz actually the vreation of baby took 40 years of a scientest life and his research was a bout 3000 page . When we toldhim half page from Quraan explain wat he wrote he cried and joined in Islam .

Here is the thing
We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)...
[Holy Quran 23:12-14

Literally the Arabic word alaqah has 3 meanings:
leech
suspended thing
blood clot

1. "In comparing a leech to the embryo at the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two."
[The Developing Human p.8]
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"Also, the embryo as this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech which feeds on the blood of others."
[Human Development as Described in Quran and Sunnah p.36]
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2. The second meaning of the word alaqah is 'suspended thing'. The suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother very appropriately fits this description.

3. The third meaning of the word alaqah is 'blood clot'. We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also during this stage the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. So the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

By examining a diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage we would notice the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo
[The Developing Human, p. 65]


So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means "chewed-like substance." If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his mouth, and then compare it with the embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that they would be almost identical because of the somites at the back of the embryo that 'somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.'

How could Muhammad, peace be upon him, have possibly known all this 1,400 years ago when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells using an improved microscope in 1677 A.D. (more than 1,000 years after Muhammad, peace be upon him]. They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract
[The Developing Human, p.9]


Professor Keith Moore is one of the world's prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled the "Developing Human", which has been translated into eight languages. This book is considered a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by on person. Dr. Keith Moore is a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said; "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been the messenger of God, or Allah [The reference for this statement is on 'This is the Truth' (video tape). For a copy of this video tape please contact us].

Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question, "Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the Word of God?" He replied; "I find no difficulty in accepting this."

During one conference, Professor Moore stated, "... because the stagein of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and the Sunnah (sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and Hadeeth (reliably transmitted sayings and reports of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the 7th century A.D. Although Eric Statle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen's eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the stagein and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century A.D. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.
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I have to because my religion says to!

 

If u r just doing this cuz of ur religion so u r not . Lets make something clear : Faith mean that u believe in God is there and u worshiping him cuz he created u and to join the heaven at last . If u don't so u r not in ur religion but I think u christian not Muslim
Just read the miracles of Quraan and wat I wrote and U will know that u in the right way
Gd luck

 

Who is we? why clay? where did they come up with that? there is 0% clay in our body so where would you come up with that we where made of it?

This is why religion fails, you make huge claims, "we wear created from clay" and have no evidence to back up these claims. I think its funny how people find this shit more believable then reality. people don't just get made out of clay... You cannot compare this crap to the big bang theory, You obviously don't know anything about the big bang theory.

Before you can argue the big bang theory, know it first. tho i doubt you would even be able to understand it.

If your trying to make something clear, dont write like a 10 year old

 

Of course, I was just naming one that I could think of from memory.

The first person to demonstrate the Earth's roundness was Pythagoras, the Greek mathematician, around the year 500 B.C. In 350 B.C., Aristotle backed this up.

http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question54.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Sure thing.

The main problem that religious people have with the Big Bang theory is that they believe that "something came from nothing". This, however, is not claimed by the Big Bang theory. All we know is that there is a background radiation consistent with models of the Big Bang, and that galaxies are moving apart from each other at speeds proportional to their distance. The Big Bang theory seeks to explain these phenomena, and does so reasonably well. Do we know what caused the expansion to begin, if the Big Bang model is correct? No, and we don't claim to.

Smoke could also refer to the unknown. It doesn't necessarily mean nebulae.

This seems to be common in a lot of legends. Everything is fused together, and something separates them, whether with heaven, or a dome, etc.

The Quran states at several places that mountains exist to prevent the Earth from shaking. Obviously, this is not the case at all. Without mountains, the Earth would not fall apart.

So, when you're underwater, you cannot see. I don't see how such a simple observation testifies to the divinity of the Quran.

In the original Arabic, the language does not specify that one of the bodies is a freshwater river. It could easily be talking about land separating a freshwater and saltwater body.

To be honest, man wasn't created from clay.

As for the rest:

I don't know that Naseyah means "front of the head", especially when in the same sentence, it means "of the head".

 

Adam the first human on the earth was made of clay so this wat clay came from .

The problem of my language is that my mother tongue is Arabic and I learned English so if u want to talk in Arabic , U r welcome

About the Big Bang theory please read the link I put then come to talk .

I though we were talking about the Moon reflects sun rays . And the first one to discover the Earth was round is Columbos and everyone know that . When he discovered America

Have u read the link . U want to say the universe made itself but we can't believe that an Orange can cut it self or A car can make it self .

We make discoveries and then we understand wat happened

Please go and ask any scientist about this . Without mountains we wouldn't live untill now .

He is giving u an example and u didn't get it :S .

To be honest , First man (Adam) was created from a clay .

Do u put half of words and let the other half .

I'm the Arabian and when ppl made discoveries they can understand wat Quraan wanted to say not the opposite or we would have discovered all things since the age of Muhammed and this is consider another Miracle

As my mother tongue is Arabic I can tell u that its the mean of it . Cheerz

Finally , All u did is getting pieces not the whole and keep putting things about it and this wasn't my question . My question was How Muhammed knew all of this while he was illiterate and from 1400 years ago . How did he know about all of these . If u ask any scientist about the infoz here he will tell u that all of that are facts . And as I said the discoverer took 40 years to discover how we were made . And Muhammed told it to us in half page . Answer Questions and stop running from it .

 

Then it's not talk of Embryology, but rather, the first creation of man.
The problem of my language is that my mother tongue is Arabic and I learned English so if u want to talk in Arabic , U r welcome

I already went over that.

1. Nobody at that time seriously believed that the world was flat. The Catholic Church had enforced that belief previously.

2. Columbus didn't "discover" America. He thought that the islands he was landing at were Indian, thus, the name "Indies".

I read all of the material that you gave me.

The universe did not make itself. The universe is basically everything that exists. Existence cannot be created. For lack of a better term, it has "always been".

I already have. We would certainly be alive without mountains. They do not stabilize the Earth, they rather are by-products of plate tectonics.

It's not a very good example. It is clear for all to see that the deeper you go, the darker it becomes.

That's not what the evidence seems to suggest.

It's another problem with translations. It could mean that they lie with their head, or the front of their head. It's not very specific.

Each of the "miracles" was not a miracle at all. I have shown how each of them was either already known, a misinterpretation, or a blatant falsehood.

 

lol...