Abortion

...but not as independent as you make it seem. Sure, you can leave them for five minutes, but a human baby is essentially a sphere of fat with stubs for limbs. No survival capabilities.

 

Yet it is still a seperate life.

 

I think its murder and disgusting. If your mother had an abortion you wouldn't be alive today. Simple as that abortion people are murderers!

 

Disgusting is subjective.

And I wouldn't care, since I'd never have been alive.

I disagree.

 

As inhumane as this may sound, yes.
Some people, I believe, should not be kept in-and-out of surgery, hitting their families hard with medical costs, and making them suffer by watching a poor deformed kid have sudden shots of pain every night.

Imagine watching your daughter, in a wheelchair, have a random seizure.

I'm not talking about people with down syndrome, I'm talking about people with diseases that cause them to go through constant pain, or for people who are literally just vegetables.
We kill a sick dog, why not kill a sick human?

Same thing for abortion, its a hard call but if the mother is in danger, or the baby has something fatally wrong with it, then an abortion is muchly needed.
The only time when abortion isnt called for, is when people are like, "Oh, we had sex and I got pregnant because I'm too cheap to buy a pill, and he didn't want to use a condom, so I want an abortion."
It's called an adoption agency, great for sending children you cant care for.

 

Actually, if the family wants to deal with those costs, it's their right to.

I see nothing wrong with using abortion as birth control.

 

its not birth control cause they already have a birth(aka the aborted baby)
I find it inhuman because evryone should have a right to live
if you don't want a baby than you should be abstenant or at least use a condom or the pill or w/e. Even though they don't always work thats the risk you take.

 

Does an unborn fetus have rights though? It cannot decide things for itself. Saying this is like saying you cannot treat a fetus that is sick because you have no right to treat a person who does not want to be treated.

Why? Should a mass murderer have a right to life? should hitler have a right to life?

 

The baby is dead when it separates from the mother.

Everybody who is a seperate human being should have a right to live. A fetus is not a separate human being.

Those might be easier than an abortion, but if I want to use abortion as birth control, then it is my right to do so.

 

I like how you come in for one post and discredit everything I said without stating a fact yourself...

And nor are they "Softy" arguments. The methods and repercussions are all fact. Please, before using the mod title as a badge of unquestionable validity, do some research like Shredder and provide an adequate argument. If you choose not to then you are no better than my "Softy" arguments.

It was not an argument based on my feelings for the aborted babies. Rather, it was an argument on the women's choice vs. the babies right/denial to life.

People can be productive to the world just as easily as being "Money Sucking".

I'd like to know how productive you are for the world by moderating a forum populated by teenagers for an online game.

 

Logically evaluating your arguments without providing his own is valid.

The impression that I received was that you were using pictures of fetuses for their shock value, to stir the instinctual human desire to protect children.

 

He did nothing other than discredit facts, that were indeed facts. Perhaps he was referring to the portion not entirely factual. None the less I find it rediculous to post one thing and post nothing further beneficial to the argument.

That is true... I never stated that the pictures were for anything other than that purpose.

EDIT: Sorry Shredder, no arguing tonight. I've an AP World time line project due Monday and I've yet to start.

 

I discredit what people claim to be facts all the time.

An emotional argument is not necessarily a logical argument. Would you have the law be purely logical, or purely emotional?

 

Actually, babies are born with survival instincts. Like the rooting reflex: if you touch an infant on the cheek, it will turn its head around and look for a breast to suck on. They also cry, so the parents will be so annoyed they will have no choice but to get food for the infant. Also, infants can easily support their own body weight by grabbing on to something, like a hand, and hanging from it.

So you are saying that Jesus takes about 40 million worldwide shits per year to the face and neither he nor God have done anything about it?

Yes it is birth control because it is preventing a birth from happening, hence the name "birth control."

Even Hitler?

Ok your views are too ideal. First, many people just don't give a shit. Some people can't resist the urge to have sex and end up not using a condom, etc. Some people also are not educated enough to use contraceptives. And some don't have enough money to buy them. And if a woman gets pregnant that doesn't want to have a baby, and the woman would not be able to provide for the baby, why should the baby suffer? It would be much more reasonable to prevent it from being born into a world of hurt and pain.

And abstinance? You got to be fucking kidding me, no one is abstinent these days.

 

Abortion should be illegal, You deserting your own flesh and blood, you might as well kill them then because if they found out later that their real parents left them they are going to kill themselves.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, all children put up for adoption kill themselves.

Thanks for the facts.

 

So abortion should be illegal, but it is ok to kill the child after it is born if the parents do not want it.

 

yup illegal stuff

 

In SFA, you are required to back up your posts intelligently.

Why would you consider it to be illegal?

 

Abortion of fetuses in their later stages saddens me greatly, but as has been demonstrated, it is the woman's right to do with her own body as she wishes.