[Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

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  1. Unread #1 - Mar 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    If you wanted to read about suggestion go here:
    Do you want commission staking?

    The reason this suggestion was shoot down in first place despite 70%+ approval rate :
    Screenshot - 282d0a10946311edb1608066bb7e01cd - Gyazo

    I'm going to just point one thing from replies on this,
    All comm stakers should be focused to record the stakes in case user say it didn't happen, with proof of stake being the one user wanted.

    (Like to state this suggestion shouldn't be implemented to the time that new duel area changes happen)

    What do I want to be altered with this suggestion that not on this thread:

    Why am I bring back this subject?
    Protecting Game Integrity: Revision

    For people who don't want to read all that and focus on main point:
    Runescape Account Rentals & Other Services -> Commision staking
    Or new sub-forum added under User Services to allow commission staking


    Why is it more important now than ever that we reconsider this suggestion?
    • Sythe is going to suffer quite a small scale of loss of market due to a rental account being useless, This would supplement a new market that would be traffic replace them losses.
    • Multiple people will be losing there the main market, this market would still involve what they are used too, Allowing them to make the small swift change to this new market.
    • This suggestion as a whole would bring more traffic to the site,as there multiple scamming websites doing this service
    The only real argument to this with everything that stated on this and fact it going to increase scamming, but if scammer's wanted to scam there just going to go diff section anyway.
     
  3. Unread #2 - Mar 24, 2018 at 1:16 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    I was against it at first, but once duel arena is changed im up for it. But we need to look at ways to make scamming more difficult first
     
  5. Unread #3 - Mar 24, 2018 at 1:17 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    I just think we need to accept the fact that the account rental market will die and that's that.

    Can't continue trying to push a whole new market which opens up a world of scams, If anyone remembers the faggot mith prod when he was quite big when osrs came out, he scammed a bunch of users by communicating via teamspeak to his buddy to tell him to recover the account etc.

    Scenario #1 You purchased a max main from someone and are now using it to comm stake, You give the info to your friend to recover it or at least get it locked, The recovery is successful and your friend cleans the account out. You post proof that you are not OO so it's not your fault.

    Scenario #2 Since alot of the posts were talking about no live streaming then there is no way at all to see if you're communicating with a friend.

    No support from me.
     
  7. Unread #4 - Mar 24, 2018 at 1:20 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    You don't understand sythe system, if you use the account to rent or comm stake or sell it you are responsible for it even if you bought it from else were,
    So the argument means nothing.
    Live streams don't disable that, you turn off your mic and just talk to your friend.
     
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  9. Unread #5 - Mar 24, 2018 at 1:37 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    Well there you go, You've just said your self its possible, With or without livestreams, Not to mention the fact jagex has massively cracked down on commission staking.

    I feel that jagex has finally combated the market, There's just no need to keep trying to push this market, It was already denied and i feel it should stay that way since there is alot more scams to happen with this new market, Even if people pay rank money, That's just basically saying you have to buy trust which isn't what markets should be about, If this suggestion were to pass i doubt comm stakers would get much business anyway, Because all someone needs to do is get a 70 attack account and there set, Boost to 99 att str and def and they have there own main, Or purchase a 70 base account for 30m from a highly trusted seller, i get what you're saying about it being a good market for renters, But 1, People would lose more to commission then what they would to renting for example if you charge 5% comm on wins and someone does a 1b bet and you win, thats 2b-%5=100m lost from commission, when they could just buy there own max main for 200-300m (that price is going to massively crash when the update comes) or buy a 70 base account for a third of that price. 2, Renters would now be putting them selves at risk for alot more debts, Such as missclicks, DCs, and being scammed by anyone else at arena.

    This has happened multiple times in Elite Ranks chat where a host has missed a hit, Or not checked carefully enough and been scammed by the opponent, Which the hosts are liable to pay for.

    So unless renters have a good amount of gp behind them then there a bit fucked.

    Only way i can see this potentially being ruled out is by hosts paying admins 500m-1b-2b-5b-10b or however much, Then they'd need to have a maximum bet they could take for example you pay 1b for rank but can take 250m max, So if you do lose due to missclick or being scammed you then have to pay bettors back or have your rank removed until its paid, I just can't see alot of renters putting them selves at that kinda risk, Especially since some of them just rent 4-5 accounts at a time for a few hours, Log off, come back to check whip is still on account etc, Rather then sitting there for countless hours potentially not receiving a single bet?
     
  11. Unread #6 - Mar 24, 2018 at 1:49 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    Ok I don't like to debate, so after this reply don't bother

    So they have a massive crackdown on everything? RWT and duel area in general, it's not going to stop people, there many commission staking clans still out there.

    If a person going to watch a stake there going to watch in person and see the video, and record their perspective as well, Live streams aren't needed there other ways around it.

    Going to ingore everything before that sit it really has nothing to do with anything,
    In Rs3 there were commission staking clan who get people to stake for them, they got plenty of business, people are less scared to get someone else to do a stake for them then there a friend or something, because comm staker take liability for glitches missing first hit etc, ignoring rest of paragraph as well since you basically talking on same point and last paragraph.
     
  13. Unread #7 - Mar 24, 2018 at 1:56 PM
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    First of all it's a free market so i'll reply if i want to.

    You've just literally said what i said,
    So do you think people who rent accounts, for 4m-10m per hour, are willing to pay a figure of around 500-2.5b to sit there all day doing the staking? I find it highly unlikely considering alot of renters are newcomers and are trying to build rep, Or other trusted renters run gold sites, Train accounts etc so they're far too busy to do comm staking.
     
  15. Unread #8 - Mar 24, 2018 at 2:00 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    You think 2 to 10 account will get banned a day O.O
    and you think only sites will offer it? *FacePlam*
     
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    That wasn't my question, My question was do you think renters will pay high amounts of gp to sit there staking all day, When all they have to do now is take payment, and collect the account X amount of time later? But if comm staking comes in they'd have to be 100% focused on rs.

    But next time don't "FacePlam" Try "FaceDesk"
     
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    Bad idea, I've been banned multiple times from comm staking, no support sorry. Too risky w all the bans Jagex are cranking rn
     
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    - We currently allow gambling clans, this would not be much different. Although the ban rate is high, I still think it would be a good addition to the community.

    - We have many markets, even though adding another market could potentially "Increase" the scam reports (In which I doubt, because we handle RAS well) I don't think that should be holding us back from further implementing Com-Staking.

    I support this idea, hope something comes along with it.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Mar 26, 2018 at 1:40 AM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    i dont think we need that when ppl can just rent mains and not have to pay commission
     
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    A bad idea / suggestion from A Broken Man. I also found spelling errors.

    OT: I think this would be really unsafe for the staker. You get a decent risk to get both banned for RWT and for Commision Staking.
     
  27. Unread #14 - Mar 26, 2018 at 4:15 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    This is useless.

    You’re arguing that we need commission stakers because of the update that allows you to change your stats will render rental services useless.

    But why would someone pay commission when you can change your stats? Lol
     
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    Why would anyone pay someone to stake for them when you can change your stats for free?
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  31. Unread #16 - Mar 26, 2018 at 5:00 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    Ok that isn't valid reason,
    I don't think either of you have ever been involved in commission staking,
    A lot of max players use ranks to stake for them, whether it because there being ddosed bad internet or afraid of losing first hit etc. Most commission staker take responsibility for glitchs etc.

    How is that even an issue? if someone choice's to risk there own account it's up to them, How is the fact your too scared to risk your account mean that other won't? if you think it to high risk don't get involved simple as
     
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    Barely any max players use comm stakers. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
     
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    Okay, so connection issues and the 1% edge you get by knowing how to flick and click on a spot on your screen in exchange for a large chance of being scammed? No thanks.
     
  37. Unread #19 - Mar 26, 2018 at 5:25 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    By sounds of things it another way around

    If you miss pid it's higher than 1%
     
  39. Unread #20 - Mar 26, 2018 at 5:26 PM
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    [Com-Staking] Reconsider this suggestion as were in different place with this

    Just cus you might know like three or four ppl who do that doesn’t make it a market.
     
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