Rswap is a scammer {Powerlevelling Account Services} [Do Not Archive]

Explanation of the trade: My friend (Account 1) and I (Account 2) decided to commission Rswap on the 25/11/2017 due to the companies outstanding vouches on this website for the following services:

Account 1:
1. Runecrafting: 50-70 (N/AM)
2. Agility: 50-70 (N/AM)
Account 2:
1. Agility: 70-99 (350M)
2. Runecrafting: 50-99 (350M)
3. Miscellaneous Quests/Achievement Diaries

Out of the 700M due for the entirety of my service, 478M was paid.

My account had the following stats: (99 fishing, attack, strength, defence, hitpoints, range, prayer, magic, cooking, fletching, agility, herblore, crafting), 84 rc, 65-70 construction, 75 theiving, 75 slayer, 70 hunter, 75 farming, 80 wc, 70 smithing, 70 mining, 500M bank, all the untradables (all combat related un-tradables elite void, dragon defender, torso, firecape, 213 QP, almost every medium-hard diary completed).

My friend had the following stats: 99 attack, strength, defence, hitpoints, range, prayer, magic, 80 cooking, 90 fletching, 70 herblore, 70 crafting, 55 rc, 50 construction, 70 thieving, 70 fishing, 60 slayer, 50 hunter, 82 farming, 75 wc, 70 smithing, 70 mining, 70 agility 500M bank, all the untradables (all combat related un-tradables elite void, dragon defender, torso, firecape, 196 QP).

Note: Stats maybe rounded to avoid detection.

Before beginning my services with Rswap, I was assured by the company that his power-levelling service was completely legitimate and that his trainers "only hand train orders", that they "do not know what bots are" and have never received any bans from their services.

The service on my friends account began 27/12/2017. After a week, date 04/01/2018, my friend messaged me hysterically that he had been permanently banned without a second chance from Jagex. I instantly knew that this was due to an IP/Macro ban, since Jagex usually issue second chances, although, if a repeat offender is to continue offending with a new account, they are instantly banned. The category of the ban was due to a "Macroing Major".

I informed Rswap regarding the ban and he explained:

"This is the first time, just did talk with a few big powerlevelling companies and they said its rare but can happen sometimes even hand done
if account is insfracted or something or anoher account u r running same ime
one trainer run 3-4 order same time
this was running 4 accounts two of em got banned"

First and foremost, Jagex do not place bans on accounts that have a longer than average playtime, nor do they place bans on accounts that are jumping to different IPs. The worst thing that could result from this is a temporary account lock, which never happened.

From my understanding, Rswap commissions different workers to carry out his companies work. He mentions having multiple workers, which I'd assume he isn't monitoring 24/7. Whether he is aware or unaware that his workers have been using macros is none of my concern, as I believe that his company should be held responsible for any problems that may arise from the service they are providing.

I've confided in over 10 current experienced OSRS botters and forum mods, from which, everyone agrees that the probably Rswap broke his service agreement by implementing the use of macroing, is pretty much certain, considering this has now happened for the second time, and how convenient could it be that this is the very first time they've experienced this for both mine and my friends orders. Further, the explanations provided by Rswap have made it seem as if he is innocent and had nothing to do with the accounts being banned.

Rswap's suggestion of "reasonable" compensation should be paying him a discounted price in order to recover what was lost from the bans. I, as many other members of the forum suggested the fairest outcome would be for Rswap to compensate me and my friend by recovering all the stats lost to the ban(s), as well as further compensation for the time and efforts wasted from the companies unprofessionalism and carelessness.

All the statements made by myself regarding the cause of bans aren't just from my own opinion.

I do not wish to disclose any images relating to the order due to any confidentiality concerns, however, I'm more than happy to mediate this with a moderator.

 

This is the first time, just did talk with a few big powerlevelling companies and they said its rare but can happen sometimes even hand done
if account is insfracted or something or anoher account u r running same ime
one trainer run 3-4 order same time
this was running 4 accounts two of em got banned"



Glad he found it himself this is only reason i have stated in my tos i am not responsible for any bans happen during my powerlvling service i am not responsible. However @KingCobra asked me to put two trainers on account to speed up training i told him about risk account was running 20 hours a day we got him 99 agility. Even i am sad that this ban has happened i am sorry about his loss even i stated in mu tos i am not responsible but still i tried to compensate him but hes just looking to get 2000$ for his account and wants to quit rs now as he stated


For his friend account i already did compensated him we are working on his new account which is already 90 str attack def and range

 

I was checking my accounts login time everyday.
There is no way you were averaging 20 hours per day, along side 150-200k exp a day.
Your claims are completely fabricated.

Your compensation isn't actually reasonable. You are charging us for your comapnies mistake.

 

Rswap, please enlighten everyone on your explanation as to why both accounts where banned (keep in mind both accounts different owners and the bans where months apart, coincidentally on the same skill RC)

 

Despite Rswap using multiple trainers, I can assure you they didn't go over 5 hours each day, which is nothing unordinary, as I was averaging 10-15 prior to the service. 70-99 Agility took them just over 1.5 months to finish. If they were averaging 20 hours a day as he insinuates, they would've finished agility in under 2 weeks (calculated at 30k exp an hour). Nothing about his claims make any logical sense, hence why I believe his company is fraudulent.

 

@KingCobra please wait for a mod to reply this is not a spamming forum

 

@Rswap Please don't condescend me. Quite funny how ever since I made this post you are replying every 5-10 minutes. Usually it takes you a week to get back to one of my messages.

 

@Rswap - Do you (or your workers) use OSBuddy for the accounts you are training?

 

We use old school client only

 

Regardless of the client, both bans occurred during the RC portion of the services (keep in mind the bans where a few months in-between from different accounts)

 

After Rswap lost the accounts this was the response of this so called dignified and trusted member:

"U can take 300m worth $ from your friend"
"Account u had its market price is like 500$
And if u go to sell u wont get more 300$ as u aren't trusted people only buy from trusted"

Rswap is suggesting, despite the fact that the company lost both of our accounts, that the fairest compensation would be for my friend to pay me 300m? His claims and rationals are all ridiculously unfair and obvious that something isn't right. He wants to charge me to recoup the stats lost to his companies own fault? He assures me that they never botted but cannot answer if he has been monitoring his workers since the beginning of the service, therefore there is very little validation of his statements. He also never provided xp by xp video recordings which he also stated he would.

My intensions where never to sell my friends and mines account. I spent over 4000 hours on my account personally, over 1.5B on skilling and bank value. I took time off work and had to balance my university studies as my time is very limited nowhere days (all I mentioned to Rswap before the service).

Rswap appraised our accounts compensation based on blatant scammers on playerauctions that had none or poor feedback. As we all know, buying accounts is pretty much pointless due to recoveries, you cannot estimate the real value of an account solely on "market value" made by independent sellers on untrusted websites such as playerauctions and account4rs.

The fact that I have friends that trial'd and error'd Jagex's banning process and the fact that I've had mediation from more than 10 other people regarding the legitimacy of Rswaps claims (regarding the reason of ban), have instilled enough certainty to the fact that botting did occur during our service, which breaks Rswaps TOS and completely tarnishes any assurance claims made prior to the agreements/payments of the service.

This is the second time I have trusted a forum member with account services and have been left with nothing but a substantial deficit and depression, as you may know, this isn't the first time I've experienced this.

 

Sorry for posting here staff, but I hope this can shed some light as I am in fact a major service provider myself.

- So to begin, I would like to state that they don't "ban" accounts (macro ban being assumed here) for different IP's, although they could class it as account sharing, it would fall under account sharing in the ban related information or be locked due to IP switches.

Now getting to the second part - I have dealt with thousands of accounts and never seen this issue. Don't get me wrong, I have had the odd account locked, and users have been notified (maybe 3-4 customers out of the 1700+ feedback I have) and this is without taking into mind the amount of accounts I have had to verify via my personal Facebook trading group.

Whilst it's easy for me and anyone else to say "well you didn't use OSbuddy, you're botting" if I am not mistaken, he actually owns the LTS (lifetime sponsor) rank on competitor botting websites, so this would mean if it was him specifically doing it himself he would be able to use what we call "mirror mode" for example, which in fact is meant to protect you somewhat from bans.

As I say though this is coming from someone who runs 3-6 accounts daily via services at minimum, has multiple workers who also do several quest/levelling/various orders per day, and we never really encounter this situation with our customers. It might be that they are flagged due to being an major gold company, and this being said put their own IP at risk and got banned that way in the process, or it could be in fact that they botted.

I hope this helps.


Edit - Just to help you understand my prospective, hopefully so it does in fact help. I am currently finishing 94-99 slayer for a customer before he gets a max cape, I have previously done another max cape (was doing 99 RC this time) on another customers account. This same account i'm currently playing I was doing 99 mining before this, and the other account I was maxing I had to finish 99 crafting prior also.

These accounts have never been locked/affected by my services, nor have any of the other customer related accounts I run.

 

@Dbuffed

Thank you for your input, I appreciate it.
I suggested an IP chain ban could've taken place with the first account, since Rswap was adamant botting didn't take place. I highly doubt due to the fact that Rswap is a major gold seller my friends and my account where banned, since the bans were both "Macroing Major" and not "RWT". A quote from Mod Weath stated "Previous offenders are able to make new accounts and play the game normally, however, if at any point they continue to break the rules (bot) they will be punished and only then a ban is issued. Further, as I stated, we gave Rswap the benefit of the doubt, as I did trust the company, my friend and I made submissions to appeal our bans, which were both rejected, which means at some point, the use of macros or any software that is forbidden, was implemented.

Regardless of the claims, I've personally experienced and tested this in the past and can confirm Rswap's claims are all invalid:

"Risk account was running 20 hours a day we got him 99 agility." - If it takes you 1.5 months at 20 hours a day to finish the agility portion of the order, I think to myself, what on earth where you doing for the remaining 1.2 months on my account? Even at exp rates as low as 30k exp p/h would insinuate the order would've been completed in under 2 weeks time.

Nothing adds up and I know when I'm being bullshitted (excuse my french)

 

Also, my friends account was permanently banned instantly without a second chance, which also shows that Rswap's workers where operating on "dirty" IP address (dirty = previous offender IP), whereby Mod Weath also stated that leniency is less likely to occur with repeat offenders.

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

@Dbuffed around 80 percent threads providing skilling service have this tos that they are not responsible for any bans happen on account. This tos is there for a reason

@KingCobra provding you any compensation was a genrous offer from myself now which i am not gonna give any now you had a minor bot ban on your account before now you are stating you are done with rs and demanding 2000$ for your account you probably used bot on your account yourself and got it banned yourself so you can just make money from it and say bye to rs i didnt mean to be harsh like this but you keep claiming me as scammer i have no problem paying actual worth of your account if mods find me guilty but all threads who have this tos that they are not responsible for bans should be changed


Also i will ask you to wait for mods to reply rather than of asking your friends to post on this thread

 

Whilst I cannot deny this part, on the other hand we also use OSbuddy, and we don't own scripts/bot related statuses on any forums at least in my case and my workers.

It's actually pretty much known that 99% of users who have these types of disputes are either 1) Major gold sellers, or 2) Have these type of statuses.

As I stated though, although I would like to say it was due to your gold selling, it would then fall under a RWT ban not a bot ban, a bot ban would mean that botting has been used, and knowing full well that OSbuddy doesn't run with things such as mirror mode as I mentioned above, is why you would realistically "use the normal rs client" as you mentioned yourself.

Gyazo - 804c73d027efd43ffe6ae77498a7c308.png - This explains the general rewards of your status, in this example you are however a lifetime sponsor and not regular.

I will try find the client thread for those who don't know what mirror mode is when I have a moment, but one thing that does keep coming into mind for me at least is why aren't you or your workers using OSbuddy?... You don't even have to pay to receive the screenshot perk, this would at least enable you to somewhat prove that you are doing what you're doing if worse case scenario.


Edit - Also @Rswap please don't try to claim i'm friends with the user you have a dispute on. I don't know either of you personally, but I have seen you several times in posts in the past mainly on OSbot. (None of which are service related, kind of odd) I'm simply just giving my opinion as an actual real service provider.

 

https://osbot.org/forum/topic/66800-osbot-mirror-client-your-guide/ for the basic rundown of what I mentioned @Vlad

https://osbot.org/forum/topic/69385-osbot-mirror-client-video-guide/ - a video also covering it. I cannot however seem to find the thread I was referring to.

 

Sythe rules take priority over service T.O.S. If you offer hand done services and the account was banned for macroing that you were responsible for then you will be held responsible.

Also I wanted to add, I talked to their livechat and they said that the reason they don’t use OSB is because their trainers don’t know how to use it.

 

Precisely my point.
Also, how hard is it to operate OSB? I even offered my Pro account to assist with their training.

"provding you any compensation was a genrous offer from myself now which i am not gonna give any now you had a minor bot ban on your account before now you are stating you are done with rs and demanding 2000$ for your account you probably used bot on your account yourself and got it banned yourself so you can just make money from it and say bye to rs i didnt mean to be harsh like this but you keep claiming me as scammer i have no problem paying actual worth of your account if mods find me guilty but all threads who have this tos that they are not responsible for bans should be changed"

From this paragraph alone I can tell you're completely oblivious as to how bans work. The macroing minor account I had placed on my account over 5 months ago has absolutely nothing to do with our situation as I also informed your company of this before we went into service and "Sura" your agent said it wouldn't matter.

Pardon me if it seems as if I'm using you to make money, when I spent over $2500 on my main you got banned, as well as lasts years incident where the gentleman @Tanged lost me £1600 in service payments and another $2000 on my previous main he got banned. All of the depression and mental breakdowns this has all caused due to careless unprofessional companies like yours has now brought me to absolutely detest and despise runescape as a game. Something so innocent that I enjoyed as a child, with all these terrible experiences I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, I've began to hate and regret my trust into people like you that couldn't care less and are only concerned with how much money you can squeeze from people.

You are not making any sense here. After this experience, I've made it apparent to you that this was the last chance I take on rs, plus the fact that you are still trying to charge ME to recover all my efforts YOU lost.

You cannot hide behind your TOS my friend. You promised to me and my cousin that it would all be carried out by hand without macros, assuring you've never experienced any bans whatsoever.

I'm sorry to the mods if I am out of line here by posting, but I'd like to share my experiences with everyone as I'm tired of being taken advantaged of and feeling helpless when my trust has been taken for granted.

 

And I assume you can confirm this @Rswap ? There is no way you can use "my workers don't know how to use osbuddy" as an excuse.. That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

I think it's quite obvious how you use it, you log into the client via your account login like anything else, and you can pretty much stay logged in from there unless an IP changes or someone else from another IP logs on it also. If you want to try claim something else by all means that's fine though, however I do find it quite funny that this has happened - I would say with your workers saying that you should be held liable for the full aspect of the trade for both accounts, and better yet choose your workers better.