Requesting a TwC to Kigis

Hey, I don't know if this is the correct section to post about this, but this is really starting to piss me off.

Around 1.5 months ago I started talking with @Kigis. He added me and started the conversation. After a few days of talking with him, I decided to let him do the GFX work for me. I saw that my friend had vouched for him for his previous work, so I was like yeah sure lets go.

We agreed on a price tag for 12 pieces of GFX work such as Sig, avatar, thread layouts & username image (hmmm.. can't see my username image, why is that?). He told me that he was really busy with school, which I totally understood. We're both the same age, and we both are studying at the moment. I totally understand the fact that you have to priorize school as the thing that you focus on mainly, but seriously...

I told him all the work that I needed to be done, the details I'd like to have there etc, he gave me an estimated completion date, and it still has not been reached.

The estimated completion date was a month ago (Friday 24th of November)
http://prntscr.com/hqfptj


There were several difficulties. To name a few:

-Slow communication, some times it might take him a day or two to answer.

-He told me so many deadlines, and never made it. Multiple times he said something like this "Yo, everything is ready today" but he was lying. Pictures of promised deadlines that all ended up being just a bunch of lies:
http://prntscr.com/hqg454
http://prntscr.com/hqg5hv
http://prntscr.com/hqg64c

-He had lots of typos in his work that I had to tell him to change, which is totally understandable.

-When I told him what I was looking for, I told him I wanted an animated signature & avatar. Is my signature animated? No. The reason for this is that it was too hard to animate due to the multiple pictures in it. The way I found about this was after he had given me the signature code. He never mentioned me that he had ditched the whole idea of animating my signature.

Me asking about the signature situation. Didn't have any animation at all:
http://prntscr.com/hqfw5j
http://prntscr.com/hqg53b
http://prntscr.com/hqfzy5
http://prntscr.com/hqg0po (I undestand this, but he never mentioned about this at all. I had to find it out by my self after the GFX had been done).

Confirming he'd be able to create flashy animated Signature:
http://prntscr.com/hqfycg

Confirming that the signature needed animating:
http://prntscr.com/hqfx9a

The GFX work that he had completed was fine, would've probably expected more tbh, but I'm ok with it. The problem is that.

1.) I was paying the agreed price for 12 pieces of GFX and 2 of them were supposed to be animated GFX pieces (Sig and avatar, and only avatar is animated)
2.) I have received a total of 11/12 pictures, but 10 pictures that we had made an agreement on. I am still missing my username image.
3.) The order processing time is way too long, it has been fairly over a month now. This is not a way of handling a business.

I think it's unreasonable to pay a full price on an order that you have agreed on that doesn't even meet the standards! He should've talked to me before ditching these ideas and changing the order. In the end it's my order, not his. I am the person using his service. In my opinion it would be fair if I'd get a partial refund for the incomplete/failed work(s)

 

Yo, Kigis here.
I just woke up so I'm still tired but let me answer all the points he has put forward. Oh yea, btw. I wasn't aware of this sythe report or his frustration only until this morning. If he had pointed out his frustration this morning, I wouldn't be in trouble but ah. I pleaded for him to delete this post so we can discuss what he needs doing and finish this order respectively. I pleaded for a whole 30 minutes but he wants this thread up for some reason so I'm guessing his only reason is to shame me, but no hard feelings. I still respect him cause I know I am in the wrong.
I took this order a while back and told him I was busy with school work which he has referred and he understood of the situation. Before I even took the order I added a disclaimer saying "I'm busy with school work so it might take a while to get started". So he knew of the situation I was in. I was prioritising alot of things such as university entries, study, welfare, so forth.
2 weeks in, I found time to finish this order. I managed to complete all 12 images within 3-5 days all up to the standard he wanted. He even pointed out that the quality of the graphics was worth the wait of 2 weeks. The images I had provided had 1 or 2 typos which I had fixed within the minute he asked me. All the graphics was done, except the UI which we undergone some difficulty.
The difficulty came within the UI, thats where things went wrong. Sythe wasnt accepting my Username image for some reason and it kept declining it. At the this moment of time I was busy again, I had study period and university interviews regarding my course and entries I have submitted. I have made 3 different versions of the UI, it just keeps getting rejected. So I made a final one to be submitted, Muuli took 5 days to reply to this UI I gave him. He came back 2 days ago, to tell me it got declined again. So I tried to find the time to make the UI, but here we are.

This was the UI that got rejected:

Now thats my side of the story done. All proof can be given within request.

Now to reply to his points.
1. "There were no slow communications and no it didnt take my a day or two to answer."
I have replied to every single PM within the same day and the proof is in my skype.

2. "He had lots of typos in his work that I had to tell him to change, which is totally understandable." Lies again, there was only one type in my whole order and I have fixed that with a minute.

3.
1.) "I was paying the agreed price for 12 pieces of GFX and 2 of them were supposed to be animated GFX pieces (Sig and avatar, and only avatar is animated)"

False, you have paid for the price of 12 pieces of GFX WITHOUT THE ANIMATION FEE! YOU HAVE REQUESTED THERE TO BE ANIMATION AFTER I SAID THE FINAL PRICE OF ALL 12 ORDERS. I DIDNT REALISE THIS UNTIL LATER! I DONT OWE YOU ANIMATION!
I have given you a price of $90 for 12 pieces of image valuing each piece of gfx bellow $10 including the face there were 6 thread layouts and every gfx designer can vouch that 6 thread layouts are a absolute pain.

4.
2.) I have received a total of 11/12 pictures, but 10 pictures that we had made an agreement on. I am still missing my username image.
You got all 12 pictures, you are missing one due to sythe not being able to accept my UI.


5.
3.) "The order processing time is way too long, it has been fairly over a month now. This is not a way of handling a business."

Yes, it has taken way too long, but I have stated that I was busy. Yes, this is not a way of handling business, and I understand. Hence why I havent taken more than 2 graphic orders this last 5 months? So I knew of the situation I am in, I am not oblivious.

6. The GFX work that he had completed was fine, would've probably expected more tbh, but I'm ok with it. The problem is that.
You never mentioned this, you've said that every order I have given you was worth the time, the money and reached all expectations. Yet again, I have proof within request.

7.
"I think it's unreasonable to pay a full price on an order that you have agreed on that doesn't even meet the standards! He should've talked to me before ditching these ideas and changing the order. In the end it's my order, not his. I am the person using his service. In my opinion it would be fair if I'd get a partial refund for the incomplete/failed work(s)"

Bs again, you were happy with the standards, you weren't happy with the deadlines which I have given a reason for. I have talked to you every single time and didnt ditch any of your ideas or change your order.

Telling him I was busy: Imgur: The magic of the Internet
him cocksucking me: Imgur: The magic of the Internet
I didnt include animation prices: Imgur: The magic of the Internet
The values I have given are values of graphics with no animation


Summary:
I'm happy to complete everything he needs within 24 hours, cause I understand I am in the wrong. I should be meeting these deadlines and completing this order, but I can honestly said I have tried my best. If he wants to reply to state something, he's happy to do so. But in the end I will finish his order.

 

@Kigis you admit here that you would be animating the signature: Screenshot
Any follow up?

 

@Chloe

I didn't really admit, like I said, I didn't realise that animation wasn't in the order list. He hadn't asked for animation when requesting what he needs so the final order was images "without" animation. He started requesting animation after we agreed on a final price and I did state that I didnt include animation prices in my total order. He only paid me $75 in the end anyway whereas we agreed on $90?

God knows why I wrote "needs animating", thats my mistake cause I didnt realise earlier. If he wants animation, he can pay the full amount, I have already animated his avatar out of good will.

Animating something takes twice as long, so theoratically, if he pays me $20 for signature, animation should cost $20 more which is time wise, but I aint going to make my customers pay uncomfortable prices so i sometimes do it for free or charge like $5 extra.

I was going to animate the signature for him, but it was too hard. He referred to the reason in his post above. " Is my signature animated? No. The reason for this is that it was too hard to animate due to the multiple pictures in it.". It was too hard to animate his signature due to the number of images I split the signature into and it wasnt worth the time considering I'm busy like I've stated.

 

Allright so.

Umm? When our conversation started, I made it clear to you that I wished to have an animated signature & avatar, like many other people have here on Sythe.
Here you can see that on 18th of November I am asking if you are able to create Flashy kind of Gif avatars and signatures: http://prntscr.com/hqjm1x

Here you can see that I had questions regarding the signatures animation length BEFORE I had even given the details that I wanted to have included in any of the GFX work: http://prntscr.com/hqjmyn

Here you can see me giving details of the GFX work that I wanted, and you can see that I mention that I wanted the GIF animation to my SIGNATURE multiple times: http://prntscr.com/hqjocx

When you said that I mentioned about the GIF after the order was made is a lie. I mentioned it right in the beginning when I told you the information what I wanted my GFX work to include!

We agreed on $90 BTC payment for the work at first, but after that you had noticed that on top of the fact that I do sell & buy gold, I also had a staking account rental service, and you asked if instead you could take the payment as 90M of 07 Gold, and test your luck at the duel arena, which was perfectly ok with me and you. I even mentioned that at the time it was worth around $80: http://prntscr.com/hqjux0

Probably because it was what we had agreed on?? lol?

Maybe you should've told me about this in the first place?? You literally made me the signature, gave me the pictures and the code to it (which was falsely coded, had to fix it by my self), and after that I found out that it WASN'T a gif that I had made very clear to you that I wanted.

 

I can also confirm that I've now finally received the new username image from @Kigis which hopefully will be accepted by Sythe's staff. I've also asked Kigis what should we do about my Signature? It does not meet the standards for what I had ordered and the way I had to find out about it just pisses me off. It was very unprofessional of Kigis to handle this whole project, and to be honest no customer should be treated like this.

 

I have made a final price regarding the images, but you only stated you wanted animation AFTER I made the final price. If you needed animation, I would have added it to the final price, use logic. Why would I not charge someone for animation? I don't owe you animation. How can I owe you somethign that you never paid for?

We agreed on $90 btc payment for the work yes, but I later said if you can rather pay in 07. I didnt know the 07 prices and rates so I assumed 07 to USD was 1:1. I havent taken graphic orders for a while and I usually dont do 07 sales so I had no clue of the rates. He made me aware that it was $80 worth so then I asked if he can do 100M osrs and he agreed to it. When the payment came, he only paid me 90M osrs.

It wasn't falsely coded you fool, there was a link swapped as there were 9 links embedded on the signature so it was a mistake. You made me aware and I offered to change it for you but you had fixed it within seconds so its nothing to complain about.

 

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

Quotes "It does not meet the standards for what I had ordered and the way I had to find out about it just pisses me off." Yet called it flawless and perfect?

I was honest as I could've been and I handled this order with care. You got frustrated due to time not due to the service I was giving you. You are only saying this for this report to twist your way but no point until today you have shown satisfaction.

 

I don't know if you're just acting like a fool because you know you've messed up, and now you're attempting to poorly cover your mistakes. I clearly stated what I wanted to have done, we agreed on the price of the order which was $90 via BTC and after that you go and change MY order by your self, and let me find out about it by my self?

Again, what?
We never agreed on 100M 07. I told you the fact that 90M 07 was worth approx $80 at the time, and when you asked for 100M 07, I replied "Really? ". I told you that there was 90M 07 in the inventory of the account that you used, and you didn't complain at all. http://prntscr.com/hqkba8

It still means that there was a mistake that would direct people to wrong threads and I had to fix it by my self.

 

At the current time I hadn't even found out the fact that it wasn't an animated gif. I was just shown the pictures of you editing the work in Photoshop lol!

This is what you showed me: http://prntscr.com/hqkcqk
How am I supposed to know from here that it didn't have any kind of animation?

 

You are the fool if you really have believed I changed your order loool.
This is what I promised to do for the $90 btc, nothing else and no where in this I have stated I will animate it: Imgur: The magic of the Internet

Everything I haven given you has followed the orders you have given me and what I stated I will give you.

Wth is this supposed to mean. You said alright when I said do 100M OSRS on the screenshot I have provided. If nothing less, you have avoided it. I didnt complain cause I was late with the work, so I let the $15 slide.

Lol, but its not worth the mention. A 6 year old kid can legit swap two links over. Out of a huge favor, I have coded everything for you and made everything ready. For you to complain about a link swap just makes me laugh.

Oh so an animation of particles makes all the difference. From a piece of image to go from "flawless" and "perfect" to trash. Sigh. You want this report to go your way so bad. Stop with the twisting.

 

This is the price list that you gave me when we were discussing of the total pricing of the order. After the list I asked if you were able to create flashy GIF animations to my Signature: Gyazo - bcc2b5dd5591f8175d92e116a9a1e2ef.gif

After this a day or two later I gave you the exact details for the work, which clearly stated that I wanted the Gif animations to be included in my signature and avatar!
Screenshot

My "Allright" was a reply to your "Let me start saving everything one by one"
http://prntscr.com/hqklmw

Still is a mistake.

Never said that it was trash. It's just not the animated gif signature that I ordered from you!

 

So you did dodge it. I said give me 100M osrs but you didn't lol. So you underpaid me by $15.

Ok, so you want Animation. Animation costs $20 extra. If you want animation pay for it. I aint a charity shop.

Stop saying it hasn't reached your expectation then. When it clearly has. You just want animation to make it look "better". I was going to say to get "your moneys worth" but you underpaid me making the assumption i work in a Chinese factory.

 

I didn't underpay you by $15 l0l, you came to me asking to receive 90M 07 instead of the $90 via BTC, and I kindly told you that the value would be around $80 then. (You agreed to this by accepting the money, and Staking it on my rental account). At this point the project had taken already like 3 weeks, so as you already said by your self, you let it "slide" because of this reason.

Why do you keep saying this? I've proven on multiple posts that I had told you the EXACT requirments for my GFX work including the fact that I wanted animated avatar and signature. We made an agreement, why would I pay you extra $$$ for something that I've already paid for already?

Let me give you an example of a different kind of a trade.
Lets say that you were going to buy a brand new customized car. You talk to the seller, and give the exact details of what you're looking for. You tell him that you wanted a beautiful shiny waxed metalic surfaced/coloured car, but instead they give you a matt coloured car. You're like what's up?? This is not what I ordered, and they tell you that they weren't able to get the shiny metalic colour surfaced car. They never mentioned about this untill you finally got to see the car by your self. It's still the same car, but not with the shiny metallic surface, it's the more boring one, matt coloured.

You keep giving a picture with your posts that you never even had an intention of animating the signature, but after all it was me who found about it, right?

Here is a picture where I've found out that the Signature was NOT animated, and I am asking what's up:
http://prntscr.com/hql8lt
You replied with "Yea", I think that this denies everything that you've said of not even planning on animating the signature.
Your reason for not animating it was this: http://prntscr.com/hql9yp
You didn't even tell me about this, even tho you were supposed to animate it??? What?? You didn't even bother to mention about ditching the whole idea of animating the signature, I had to find it out by my self which pissed me off.

 

Looooool, its not like that you weirdo.

It's more like someone ordering a all white audi, but they dont want a all white audi. They want an all white audi that has particles coming out of its rear end.

 

Tbh it's exactly what I said lol

 

Haha, go find an audi that has particles coming out of its ass then.


Even if I did say I was going to animate, there are two reason why I dont need to.

1. You didn't pay for it.
2. Its not possibleeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

I think it's very clear that you accepted the deal for all the work for 90m 07 here: Screenshot
It's called negotiation, you tried to ask for 100m but Muuli kept it at 90m 07 which then clearly in the screenshot he offered again and you accepted.

From everything gathered, especially considering he made it extremely clear he wanted animated and you also saying that animated is included (Screenshot) you are absolutely required to do the animation work for him for no extra fee.

 

Just woke up.

It aint negotiation, he clearly dodged the fact I asked him for 100M. I let it slide cause he offered me a free max main.

12 images for $90, he underpaid me and you call that "negotiation". So fair to him, he won himself 10M due to "negotiations" lol.

I also made extremely clear that animation wasn't possible and he accepted that fact. I would give him a refund for the animation but clearly he hasn't paid for it.

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

I stated that animation isn't possible. If I told him clearly, that animation isn't possible and he has replied "alright" and hasn't said anything for "2 weeks". He has acknowledged the fact "I AM NOT DOING ANIMATION".

I can't do animation due to glitches and problems outweighing the positive outcomes, and therefore I can't do and he has accepted that.

Reinforcing this point, up until yesterday, he only needed one thing, which was the completion of the UI, so yet again. He has acknowledged the completion of the signature and hasn't raised his doubts until yesterday. If he had done so, I would've tried. The only time he raised the doubt of animation, was here again: Imgur: The magic of the Internet , and I have answered his question. It ain't possible.

 

I don't know how many times I have to explain this to you;
We agreed on $90 via BTC for the order. After it still wasn't completed after 3 weeks, you contacted asking me if you could get the payment as 90M of 07 instead of the BTC. I told you the value was not $90, it was around $80 at the current time. You asked for 100M 07, and I replied with "Really? " which I'm pretty sure that you understood it meant like "are you serious". You replied with a "Laughing & crying" emoji, so you did understand the fact that I wouldn't give you 100M.
http://prntscr.com/hr022b
http://prntscr.com/hr02zc - Once again. I'm telling you that there is 90M 07 in the inventory, don't see you crying there? Hmm... Would it be because you accepted the 90M 07 as payment as soon as you logged into the account and started staking with it?

It's funny how once again you're trying to cover your mistakes. Let me put this out for you as simply as I possibly can.
1.) You contact me on Skype regarding the GFX work that I needed to be done.
2.) I ask you an estimated price tag for the work. ($90)
3.) I ask you if you're able to create flashy effects on avatars & signatures. (You replied to it with yes)
4.) I ask you about the length of my signatures GIF ANIMATION. (You told me it'd be around 5-15 seconds)
5.) I give you the exact details of my order, which included me saying multiple times that the signature would have animations in it.
6.) You start doing the project. I don't know how much time you put into it on average per day since it took legit for ever.
7.) You show me Gyazos of what the GFX looks like in your Photoshop editor, and I really liked what it looked like. I was happy, and told you that the work looked great.
8.) Now comes the part when you give me the code & links of my signature, and I realize that it's not animated. This is exactly not what we had agreed on. I ask you what's going on, why isn't it animated, and that is how I found out that you had ditched the whole idea. I didn't know what to do. There was still stuff to do regarding my order (we were probably at +3 weeks and it still wasn't finished lol)
9.) You had problems with my UI, and after a long month the order still wasn't completed, I decided to create this thread to speed up things & bring awareness to people of how you do business.

As I already mentioned, I can't get into the same mindset with you. I simply can't. We agreed on an animated signature. You gave it to me, I found out that it wasn't animated as we had agreed on, and your response was that you were going to animate it, but it's impossible? - Why didn't you mention this in the first place? Why did I have to find out about it by my self?