"23 Minutes in Hell" + My Life

If you really think this, you're a very gullible person. Islam teaches never to attack or declare wars on others unless attacked first, in the past Christian empires like the empires of Spain and Britain for example, invaded and colonized the people of foreign terrotories against their will, and they murdered and enslaved many of them, how can they be the good guys? You know what their excuse for that was? "In the name of our lord". Now don't get me wrong here, you're stereotyping the entire religion of Islam because of extremism by radicals and because of the media's propoganda and lies.

 

Well then obviously that wasn't Christian. If I say I'm Japanese and kill people it doesn't make all of Japan murderers. Just couse they might have done that doesn't make Christians wrong.

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." Matthew 5:38:45

That is true Christianity so if someone doesn't follow it then they aren't real Christians. Islam allows war to happen, and Jihad encourages war.

 

What I meant by that, was that the theory of how God made everything in a week and how he was always there is a much easier and simpler concept to understand than the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang theory consists of unimaginable numbers and circumstances, such as those of the Planck Epock. Even though much is still unknown about the Big Bang, it still has more evidence supporting it than for any other God. For instance, it has already been proven with the redshift that the universe is expanding and that celestial bodies are moving farther away from us and are accelerating. This much is more evidence than there is for any God, since if God was proven, faith would not be necessary to believe in him anymore. But since the Christian God requires faith, it is therefore impossible to prove him.

But it doesn't matter. You clearly asked "How often do you see Christians who start a war?" And George W. Bush was a Christian who started a war and therefore I gave you a valid answer to your question.

Also if I might add, apparently George W. Bush said that "God wants me to go to war," and he ignored all of his workers that told him going to war would be completely pointless.

 

No, starting the war has nothing to do with being a Christian because a real Christian attempts to follow his rules. Starting a war and being a Christian doesn't put the blame on his Christianity, but on the reason the war is happening. This would still count as a sin and isn't encouraged by the Bible or God, so this isn't following God.

Before you make accusations about what Bush said, please provide proof, and the reason that it's Christianity's fault.

* I obviously meant that it isn't Christianity that starts war. Any Christian can start a war, but that doesn't reflect our beliefs.

 

So you are saying that G.W. Bush is not a Christian?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html

Actually, in the Bible, God orders his followers to go to war and kill people:

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1 Samuel 15:3 (King James Version)

"About forty thousand prepared for war passed over before the LORD unto battle, to the plains of Jericho." Joshua 4:13 (King James Version)

No please do not give me that "its a metaphor" or "its outta context" crap, Christians use the term metaphor when the Bible does not match their beliefs and therefore they say it is a metaphor to mean something else. And I do not see how the context of these statements would alter their meaning?

 

I didn't say he wasn't a Christian. If you read my previous post you would have seen that I asked for proof that it is Christianity's fault for the wars he starts. If I become a muslim and blow up a family and their house, do you blame muslims or me?

Yes they went to war. It's not a metaphor and in the Bible there are many fights. David and Goliath fight. David a great follower of God kills Goliath and cuts off his head. The commandment says do not murder, so if you kill someone for personal gain of for a "weapons race" what good comes from it? God's battles are for what is right and to prepare for when he returns. In revelations God tells us that there are going to be wars and many deaths through pain and fights, but this all needs to happen before God returns. It has all been prophesied to happen, and will happen.

When Islams say if someone hits you hit them back, what does that gain? God isn't going to say blow up someone's house, but he could ask you to fight for what is right.

 

everyone has the right to there own religious beliefs..so believe what ever feels right to u

 

George W. Bush apparently said that he went to war because God wanted him to. Even though he went to war just for greed, he used God as a good excuse to go to war. Even though I admit this is kind of an ad hominem attack, it was because my earlier misinterpretation of your comment when you asked for a Christian who started a war.

And I am glad that you agree with those two passages I posted. The first one sounds like it is a command from God to go to war with Israel. There, a historical account of a war started by Christianity.

I am glad of what you thought of the last two passages, but what do you think of these?:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)

"And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12)

"But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)

"That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:13)

"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."
Deuteronomy 25:11-12

Wow, looks like God got a little specific. Thank the lord he cares about my nuts.

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, and looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths." II Kings 2:23-24

Ok now, that last one with the bears kind of scared me. So basically the dude summoned two bears in the name of the Lord to kill 42 children.

As you can see, I think many of these passages are rediculous. These passages basically try to scare you into Christianity. But some of these passages are too rediculous to be accepted as fact, therefore I must change my earlier views and say that yes, I think that the Bible is a metaphor. It is a metaphor to scare people into believeing in Christianity and to follow the rules that are written in the Bible.

 

Most people are waiting for proof of some higher power. They feel that if they can't see/feel God then He doesn't exist. That's why there is faith. If God just presented himself then of course everyone would believe. It's not that easy though. The test to prove that you are worthy to enter Heaven is to believe in God when the whole world tells you not to. Of course its easier to go with the flow and just conform to sin...

 

I find that very convenient, that the Bible would tell us that it's a virtue to believe without seeing.

 

All I see in your last post (theincrediblehaxx0r) is you who spent 15-20 minutes trying desperately to find better reasons to corner me or prove me wrong. I didn't write the Bible and I haven't read all of the books so unless you pointlessly want me to find a reason or proof for these passages, whats the point of asking? I know none of you actually want an answer to these questions, because they wouldn't mean anything to you.

Do you think the Bible is going to say: If someone steals your wife, give them your parents as well? obviously it's going to say the opposite, because the Bible isn't a cheesy book to just make you give up and be a wimp. Turn your other cheek doesn't mean let people beat on you or take advantage of you. If a hobbo came to me and asked me for money I wouldn't just give it to him because it says to, but I'd ask what he wanted it for. If he said he wants food I'd buy the food for him myself. If he says he doesn't want food then he doesn't need the money...

It doesn't... It says you should have faith with out seeing. It isn't saying believe me because you can't see me, and using this as an excuse.

 

How are those two things different?

 

Sounds like you were scared into Christianity.

 

That story was hilarious. That guy is either a nutjob or an attention seeking whore. I do not know yet what beliefs I'll choose, but I certainly don't believe one ouce of that story.

Take it down if you actually want people to convert to christanity, and not to give them another reason to believe othewise.

 

Nah, I already have that accumulated list of Bible quotes, all I did was copy and paste. But yes that is the difference between me and you, I "desperately" try to find reason and meaning, and you do not even bother and retreat to the simplicity of your religion.

I think you should go and read the passages that I posted before. You are obviously ignoring the atrocities of the Bible.

 

Because he didn't say follow me just because I said you need to because you can't see me.

Actually if you bothered to read anything you would know I've been a Christian for 9 years, I read that last week
Get the facts next time.

Yes but whats the point in me wasting my time to find a reason for YOU when your not going to care?

I didn't ignore anything, I said I'm going to bother explaining each passage.

 

Then why did you waste your time making this fucking thread on a forum full of atheists?

 

There is probably a quote somewhere that explains this, why doesn't god just destroy hell? just wondering.

 

I didn't say I didn't want people to see this. But you have no intention of listening so there no point in me arguing with you. get it now?

BTW you think I'm going to post this in a site full of Christians? the whole point is that it's in a non-Christian place.

If you seriously want answers and not just to try and corner me then I don't mind answering them.

 

No, they're the same thing. All it comes down to is "It is good to believe without seeing". The more scientific/logical among us would disagree.