Homosexual rights

I don't know where to stand on this issue.

At some times, I'm thinking, "Why do people care about them so much? It doesn't affect them, leave them alone."

And other times I think, "What the hell is wrong with them? Don't they see how gross and wrong that is?"

It's just one of those issues we'll NEVER be able to prove right or wrong. Like abortion, animal testing. These issues are so big because both sides have good reasons.

 

why is it gross and wrong?

How is gay rights like animal testing? I dont see how it is...

 

Exactly its like he is comparing all gay people as low as people who test on animals.....Kinda pathetic if you ask me dude. Too help make up your mind answer this one question. Prove to me what is so bad about homosexuals and what is so disgusting to you it seems just as natural as being straight is so why?

 

I have many "gay" friends, alltough I wouldnot call them "gay" because I know that word, used right(in this case, wrongly) can hurt feelings, and put the word user in a odd situation.

I have no problem about "gays" because it dose NOT affect my life. Homosexuality is just a way to express a individuals opinion.

Lets say for example, you see a hot girl(or guy, depends what gender you are, conserding your straight) in the hallways at school, on Broadway, or somewhere else, and you see them kiss another man/woman. what would YOU THINK? I would not think anything of it, because if they want to be that way, let them.


that is all I have to say about homosexuality. for all you noobs out there, I AM NOT GAY, but there is nothing wrong with being gay.
a word of advice to everybody, I had a chat with (as she would say) ''dike friend'' and she gave me a word of advice, and it makes sense. it was-- Love is love.

 

true that.

doesnt matter your sexuality.

 

You make a very good point archer I am not "gay" either but I have alot of friends that are. I just wish people would sit down and learn to tolerate everything that goes on in this world watch the free hugs video people. ^ ^

 

yep.

and haha at your sig

 

So, to all the people who voted no, this isnt right, but things like killing rats and experimenting on things are right? Maybe im jumping to conclusions about you guys, but i have a feeling you think that. What the hell is wrong with gays? If you were gay, would you want someone treating you like a pile of shit? No, you wouldnt. As soon as i voted, i thought to myself i bet that there are more votes saying no than yes.

Everyone in here, answer me one thing. Im gonna put this in bold yellow too, you wont be able to ignore it.


If someone is gay, and has rights, tell me EXACTLY what this does to mess up your life?

 

i am gay..

 

Do you even know what Christianity is?
God deemed homosexuality wrong. And he gave man dominion over animals.
And the two issues are not related, so it's not like it's some sort of outstanding opposing views people are believing here.

For me personally, it doesn't. But I'm sure people find that it messes up the sanctity of their own marriage, much like the concept of Las Vegas marriages.

I like kittens.

 

im more of a dog person..

 

A very good point, nice call.

I would have to say you have it backwards. He has clearly stated that all he has is an opinion. He is only stating his opinion. You asked why, he said it is unnatural. If that is his reason, that too is his opinion and he has his right to it. You may debate this point but do not just spam him because he told you the reasoning behind his opinion. In his mind, this makes sense, and he is trying to explain a feeling in words which is hard to do. Go easy, you may debate, but please do not yell or argue.

There is not one instance of the phrase ‘I believe’ in the quote you sited lol.

He is just saying both issues are controversial, geez. He is not degrading gay people like that lol. Chill out.


This whole unnatural business still bugs me. There is a saying that goes like this, “If everyone in the world is wrong, but you are right, who is the weird one?” or something like that. This applies to this situation. Everyone here judges unnatural as something different, yet all the greatest thinkers were thought of as weird or different (Einstein for example).

Jason_X – I’m not on your list of kool people  lol

Cruel__Machine – I’m sorry but I find that post of yours rather disturbing. I do not agree with your point that raping babies is only wrong because society influenced me that way. I am fairly sure that it is natural for people to love babies (maternal instinct, etc.) and therefore a natural instinct to not want to have anal sex with one. I think that if someone were raised in complete isolation, they would still find it repulsive. I don’t want to be too direct, but you may have a mental disorder… You seem like someone who runs a cult or something, I’m sorry. I mean, assume that being gay is unnatural or natural whichever you choose – I may be repulsed by that or not but that isn’t relevent to what I am saying here. Anyone who doesn’t find raping a baby repulsive has serious mental issues. Please see a psychiatrist or counselor or something if you enjoy listening to audios such as those.

My final statement for this post is as such: All the arguments I have read on this post are actually completely irrelevent when you get right down to it. Whether it actually does go against God, it is unnatural, it is immoral, doesn’t matter. Because these things will not stop it from occuring. Whether anyone likes it or not, these people will be gay, with or without their rights. This is not an argument on whether people have the right to be gay together, that is not what “gay rights” is. “Gay rights” is the right of these gay people to have certain basic rights that most couples have such as being able to make medical decisions for each other or to get property/money if their partner dies. These basic rights are rights that everyone should have if they love each other. Whether you believe they should love each other or be together or not is an entirely different issue. Gay rights is not the fight for homosexuals to be or not to be, it is the fight for them to have basic “unalienable rights” that all humans should have. Give me one good argument against this.

 

I'm fairly sure it is natural for people to be attracted to people of the opposite gender, even if raised in complete isolation.
You like that argument? Me neither. Don't use it.
And to your point, we can't know whether we'd have such instincts. But assuming we'd have intelligence, we wouldn't be able to promptly supply a reason to why such things would be wrong.
Even if it isn't all due to social influence, you could very well say we're brainwashed by our instincts. Seems like instinct to me to feel that the sun orbits the Earth. Just because we have a gut feeling (an instinct) doesn't mean it's right or wrong.
Don't get "good and bad" mixed up with "right and wrong".

Something wrong with cults? No.
What makes you think I have a disorder? Because I think in a different manner? Certainly possible. But if I do indeed have one, I don't want to be cured just to turn into an ignorant brainwashed fellow such as yourself.

And as a contradicting and unintelligible person once said:
"yet all the greatest thinkers were thought of as weird or different (Einstein for example)"

Anyone attracted to the same gender has serious mental issues and/or disorder(s).
Again, bad train of thought. A psychiatrist would be able to diagnose nothing. I am very aware of this reality, more than most people.

Anyhow, seems to me there needs to be a serious restructuring of legal partnerships. Unless you can offer a suggestion to a plan to support all preferences and lifestyles, I wouldn't bother arguing in favor of change. You'd just prolong discrimination and the denial of "unalienable rights".

 

You heard it here, first, folks! Not believing in gay rights means you like animal testing!

And it messes up our lives because we care about our heritage and have some damn pride in ourselves and our nations/societies (No "I hate humanity" bullshit 'alternative' posts please), and we've pretty much decided on the thread that, though it's not a choice, and I was wrong about that, it is largely caused by social moulding, and the more gays there are, the more gays there will be. Why does it bother you so that Cruel can enjoy babies being raped? Because adult gay men can consent? If we take what you are likely to believe is true, and say that they are born that way, then they have a defective gene, and are therefore not suitably human and intelligent to have consent.

And Dusk, if you'd read further you'd see that the "I believe" in question was actually dismissing the arguments of these scientists with no justification.

 

That is what the studies seem to indicate.

Well, married couples are given tax exemptions for certain reasons. I can only suppose that those reasons are valid, and not created for completely arbitrary reasons. So, I would not abolish these tax exemptions.

If the legal ties are removed from marriage, then you will have very many couples who just live together. The number of people who have secular marriages is quite large these days.

Not as defined by each individual, but as defined as "the Golden Rule" would have us believe. It seems that other sentient beings are vulnerable, the same way that we are vulnerable, and we would not want negative things done to us, as they do not wish to have those things done to them.

Why?

For some reason, I can't help but feel that you believe in your religion so you can have an ultimate moral standard. Does it matter to you the mindset of the Israelite tribe all those millenia ago? Does it matter that any other religion could have survived to become dominant, but that Judaism, and then Christianity, just happened to be those ones?

 

And yes, I do believe in the bible (just to be on the safe side)

 

I dunno how that makes you safe in this topic... If anything it's a death sentence and you will be killed by flame.

 

That is known as Pascal's Wager, logic that ultimately fails.

First, you cannot "choose" whether or not you believe something.

Second, you presume that the odds of Christianity's being right versus wrong are exactly equal.

Third, any single other religion could be correct. Why do you presume Christianity is the only one with a chance?

I digress, I know, but such logic irritates me.

 

i have never been able to see how someone is able to believe in a bible. in my opinion, it is like a bunch of fairytales. i mean seriously, the universe was created in 6 days? pssh. god will never be a scientific fact, because you have to prove something for it to be science.

 

I think everyone should be entitled to happiness, gay or not. However, I do think it's gross. Therefore, I'm undecided.