Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

hows the youngest when even Jesus PBUH was a islamic prophet? the bible itself proofs its a prophet and not god, why would a god come to earth and die? why would a god pray to himself?

and what documents are you talking about?

its clear that the islam exist since the beginning of mankind Moses (musa), noah (Nuh) they all islamic prophets boi?

tell me what documents u talking about? the western documents l0l?

 

I definitely believe in god, honestly when I was young I put it in very simple terms, I'm going to cut past the church rhetoric and just believe in a greater power because it created a positive mindset for me. It made me question my wrongdoings and if anything did me well. What's the point of not believing in something, and what does one even have to lose in just believing in a higher power? Do I abide by any religious moral conduct or upper-law? Absolutely not.

 

I'm talking about the universally accepted and proven documents instead of people methodically filling in the blanks with little to no merit.

 

what "universally accepted and proven documents" are you talking about lol? you can say the same thing about christianity and other religions then what a bs

 

that's precisely the point. But by proven, I mean the results you can find on google. No historian is going to tell you Islam is the oldest, lol.

 

Nope, i don't hate anyone who does but those who follow a specific religion usually sound like brainwashed sheep. i had this guy(like jehovas witness or w/e) try to convince me once that jesus was a god which only made more clear that most of these people doesn't even have any idea what they clam to believe in. I see it as a weird ritual for people to feel better about their lack for knowledge to make everything easier instead of questioning everything.

 

What's especially funny is all of the Christian's who say "don't forget the reason for the season, happy birthday jesus!"
If you're going to devote your life to a religion you'd think they'd take a night to research the origins of traditions. Many I've talked to don't even know what paganism is/was.

 

Islam is generally agreed to have originated some ~1400 years ago.

Sure, I've heard about this. It says the mountains are pegs in the Earth, right?

Unfortunately, they're not. They're the result of plate tectonics, nothing more.

Not sure how an expanding orbit relates to iron from comets, but meteoric iron was pretty well known in antiquity. People literally forged weapons from it in ancient Egypt, if not before. Certainly well before Muhammad's time.

The only reference to this I've been able to find is the Quran speaking about the "7 levels of heaven". That's a big, big, big, stretch. Not very convincing, at all.

Man, have you ever been out to sea? The boundary between fresh/saltwater is plainly visible to the naked eye.

Do tell!

It doesn't seem that you actually linked a video, which is good, because I prefer that people make their own arguments.

With regards to zero mistakes, look to my previous points.

 

I believe in God but do not believe in a religion

 

I'm Catholic so I suppose really I should say yes, However I do have my doubts...For when I'm in a low place I do end up praying to myself and ask for forgiveness or guidance/help but it's usually just a way to help me cope a little better! I don't believe there are all these different gods though lol, There's one God and no others!

 

Hang on, if you believe in one God, why do you pray to yourself?

 

Depending on the concept of "God" you're portraying, believing something is there guiding the creation and essence of the universe would make logical sense, believing one man, one being, one person to create a universe doesn't appeal to me.

 

Yes, if you look around you there is signs god exists every where, I believe there is no God except Allah, I am Muslim.

We have to use our brains and connect with our hearts in a way that is befitting to recognize the signs of God, for example, people believe in nature, but nature has no free will what so ever, so how can it possible be a coincidence that all this has occurred? Where is all of natures knowledge? Is nature all knowing? If you believe this where is your proof?

We need to see clearly and see that there is One Magnificent Being controlling everything who holds all knowledge and is all knowing.

If there wasn't how could the everything be standing? who protects the everything? Nature? Nature can't think for it's self, so how can it possibly hold all knowledge, where is the sense in that?

The theory of evolution, makes no sense, if someone can show me where a cat has evolved into a lion or can evolve into a lion (Without gods help), then this theory will hold some sort of recognition/credibility, but as of now, they have no proof, they have no evidence and yet people blindly follow, what ever there told.

Someone will probably quote this message and ask for the proof, I am happy to give my evidence of why I believe this.

I am here to portray my beliefs and to hopefully open someones heart, to seeing the light and the truth, if you'd like to have a sensible conversation, then by all means hit me up.

 

I was bought up being a christian. when i was a child i used to think god is real, but i have to think its very naive if you do.

People who believe in god but not aliens its a odd one to me lol

 

A more serious response from me, personally I believe in the symbolism of religion-archetypes, logos, and ritualism has for sure had a psychological impact on humans through time. We evolved to use symbols to communicate, and we learned to use symbolism to explain the human experience to each other, through story, religion, dance, art, music, I don't think that humans can really exist happily without belief in something as thats beyond known human experience you're left to find your own meaning and your own path and often that path isnt good, so you question that meaning you gave to yourself, its really hard to be non-religious and to not be a nihilist, I think a lot of people have misunderstood what religion is, and don't realize the depth of knowledge that exists within stories of the saints and the biblical. It's all patterns and I find reading into religion has shown me a pattern of experience that is most ideal, most rewarding and most importantly carries on your existence. I find this pattern most strong in the Father and Son dynamic and archetype.

I believe only in the symbolism and the charity of faith, the afterlife and god might not be there, I don't know, but I can say that I do know that once I die I stop perceiving the worldly, and if I imagine and try to perceive myself not perceiving, well, I can't possibly perceive myself not perceiving... and thats painful to think of, because that emotion eats at itself. I'd rather say have faith even if not religious and just symbolic or spiritual and spend your time on thinking about something else.

 

That's very vague. Also, if you don't quote who you're responding to, they're not going to see your response.

Nobody "believes" in nature. Nature's existence is a fact - just go for a walk in the woods. Nature is nothing but the natural world.

First, what do you mean when you say "all this"? That's very vague.

Second, who ever said that "all this" was a coincidence?

Can you please reword this question so that it makes more sense? I can't understand what you're saying, and I don't know what "the everything" is.

You misunderstand what evolution is. Evolutionary theory states that cats and lions had a common ancestor, millions of years ago, not that one can suddenly transform into the other. That argument you made is an extremely old argument, and has been discredited for a very long time. I suggest doing some basic research on a topic before you debate about it.

I'd be happy to see your evidence.

 

I wasn't responding to anyone I was merely stating my belief as the question has asked.

Many people believe in nature as their sole source of salvation, many people worship trees and animals, when they can't answer any of their own questions, if you can prove me wrong go ahead.

None of what I am saying is vague, your mere lack of understanding and knowledge is astounding (I am not trying to start a fight here but at least back your scenario up with an example or a reference.

I won't re-word the sentence as there is no need, ill give you an example to give your brain a better understanding, I ask you to grab a glass of water and hold up the glass of water all night, do you think you could stand the whole night holding this glass of water? I don't think so, even if you reply yes then try it for 100 nights and then give me your answer.

By the first part of my answer I mean that God is eternal and everlasting, he does not sleep and is holding everything UP by his eternal power.

The second part is God is the protector of all things, for example, he feeds the birds, sends rain down from the sky to feed nature and protects his creation from oppression and injustice, except the creation that has free will (Which is the human and the jinn), he grants them respite until death.

Nature? Nature can't think for it's self, so how can it possibly hold all knowledge, where is the sense in that?

By this I mean, people worship trees and animals, they can't respond or think for it's self, yet people are blindly following them/worshiping them, they have no knowledge except that which God has allowed for them to have.

On that basis, what is our common ancestor? Ape's? Please provide me with proof on how an ape can evolve and develop a consciousness if it wasn't put there before (Without the help of God)?

It's like saying a flower can become a tree, on that basis, since they share the same ancestral properties.

For your evidence, I don't want top overburden you so I will refer you to this link, if you'd like my own explanation I am happy to give other facts, miracles and confirmations, from my own knowledge, but for now I leave you with this.

The Quran on the Expanding Universe and the Big Bang Theory - The Religion of Islam

By all means, I don't want to start a flame war, so please keep discussion to being respectful and precise, thank you.

 

Fair enough, my mistake.

I feel like that was more popular thousands of years ago. I don't know anybody who literally worships nature.

I didn't create any scenario, you mentioned "so how can it possible be a coincidence that all this has occurred?". Please be specific as to what you're talking about.

Holding it up...from what?

Have you ever been bird watching? Birds feed themselves, on seeds, insects, small mammals, etc.

...That would be the water cycle, where water evaporates, forms clouds, and later rains down.

Have you never heard of an animal in the wild suffering? How about deer, eaten alive by wolves?

I don't know anybody who thinks that the natural world thinks for itself.

Most people don't literally worship animals/trees.

Technically, humans ARE apes.

Consciousness is 100% brain-based. We know this because damages/changes to the brain produces changes to consciousness. It's an emergent property of a complex system.

No, because as I said in my last post, evolution doesn't equate to modern species morphing into each other.

I'd never have a discussion in any other capacity.

First, consider the possibility that the writers of www.islamreligion.com may be biased. I don't say this as a strike against your religion, just please consider that they may not be 100% impartial.

Second, consider that the very following paragraph, 21:31, states that the mountains were placed as "pegs" to hold down the earth, "lest it should shift". Recall that we now know that mountains are the EFFECT of plate tectonics. How accurate a scientific document can it be?

 

There are still many people who worship nature, it's probably just not that publicized because of all the corruption and injustice in the world.

Like I said the reason I said this, is many people think the universe was created as a coincidence, but I merely explained that how can it be so, without the prior knowledge to understand, or to have the knowledge of how it works before.

Like I stated God has eternal power, so I will explain how this works. We have been given a soul, the Prophet Muhamad (PBUH), has stated that God has blown the soul into Adam (PBUH), by looking at this knowledge that has been passed to the Prophet Muhamad (PBUH), The connection to god is the soul. Everything has a soul, everything that has been created has a soul, so if God were to sleep as they say (God doesn't sleep using an example), everything will come crashing down, because there is no source of nourishment or entity with enough power to withstand the pressure to hold everything up.

The soul has been given to us as a trust from God, this doesn't mean where a part of God as God is one, but God has gifted us the soul as the soul belongs to us, yet it has to return to him, as he has given the body free will and not the soul.

This is incorrect, if it wasn't for God allowing this would they be able to feed, fly, or even move? It goes much deeper, then your comprehending. (Can give a better explanation if needed).

Free will doesn't come from the brain it is in the heart, the heart is what gives us the logic to think and to reason, the brain is a delusion, but society has become so stupid they don't know how to differentiate. The brain is merely the receiver, to the instructions of the heart.

The cloud forms, from the sun hitting the water and causing evaporation, that is correct, but God has made it in such a way that the cloud was to ask for permission before it would be able to rain a single drop of water, proof for this, it can be cloudy everywhere yet it doesn't rain a single drop.

As I have stated God is the protector, and once this deer time is up it is passed down as nourishment or provisions for other animals. God has stated this world is a test to see who is the best of you and everything has a time limit (Except god), once the time limit has been reached, is it fair to be wasteful and not use this deer as nourishment and provisions?

Of course animals suffer, theirs a difference between suffering and protecting, but their suffering is used as a test for the environment around them, yet still god does provide for this deer, or animal by allowing it to heal/granting it nourishment.

I won't comment on this as this is wrong and there is enough proof out there to prove to you that people do actually think nature is everything and they do literally worship, animals and trees. A quick google search will prove this to you.

This is wrong humans are not apes, DNA strands and ancestral background has nothing to do with which group a human belongs to, evolution merely states that over time a ape can adapt to become a human, which is wrong, there is DNA strands and ancestral backgrounds in humans from apes because of the hair we grow from our bodies which resembles apes, yet again science needs to clarify this and I challenge any scientist to prove me wrong.

No this is wrong, consciousness is from the heart, its because there is no receiver to receive the message, which causes the body to be incoherent to responding. Free will is still there because even if the brain was damaged how can the body move? The only reason people become disabled is because the receiving part of the brain has been damaged, doesn't mean it belongs to the brain, who commands the brain?

Like I said morphing and adapting are too different things, and why can't a flower adapt into a tree on that basis?

Thank you I applaud that you have an open mind.

First and foremost I don't doubt that in anyway but we need to look at the proof that they have presented and then verify it's sources and make sure it has been proven correct, anyone can be bias, what separates someone from being bias is the proof they present.

The verse you have mentioned is:

“And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you...”

Plate tectonics are not shifted by the mountains, what it means by the pegs is that they are firm to withstand any friction which will cause the earth to move.

The plate tectonics are shifted by the water, because the water is being released from underneath the earth causing more load on the earth, the plates need to be moved to release the water and to expand the earth in such a way that it can cope with the new pressure (LOAD).

The reason the water is underneath the earth is because it was swallowed in Noah's time when destruction came upon his people for disbelieving/mocking god and his messenger. Can explain more if needed will leave it there for now.

It just like going to the gym and lifting 50KG for the first time, you can't because you need to adjust to the strain. Same thing happens with the earth.

Yet you feel none of this because the mountains are firmly placed to prevent the shift/destruction of that continent.

Even when there is an earth quake, the continent/earth is firm. All the shaking and it still stands.