No such thing as evolution

This law is universal, and in what way is the earth now an closed system anyways?

Darwin or not, it is what we are being told is the truth in school.

Your example is not the truth. A lion that runs fast will in no way get lion cubs that run faster than the others, though it will be more likely to survive if it is in need of fast running, but that lions cub wont be any faster than how they were created at first.

I should have written it more clearly. Genetics can be changed, but it cannot be changed to the better but only to the wors.

My farther is a physics, chemistry, math and biological teacher, teaching physics and chemistry at uni stage, so what ever I cannot answer I will make shure he asnweres for me.

Or perhaps god created them both designed to their locations.
So a crocodile decided to go south, and ended up losing a small bit of his fat, which changed a small bit of his genetics?

So if your a sheep herder and have bin shaving them for many years, your hands would be logically very tough and thick, and if you decide to have a baby, your theory goes that the baby would have tougher and thicker hands than those at his age.

Nothing happened! Genetics can only be changed to the wors not the better!

Again I´ll use this example:

If your a sheep herder and have bin shaving them for many years, and one day you decide to have children, would your child be born with any tougher and thicker hands than any other baby?

NO

Or:

If your a bodybuilder and your body is pumped up with muscles, would your baby be born with any bigger muscles than any other baby?

NO

There are so many logical examples proving this evolution thing wrong.

Losing wisdom teeth is not evolving to the better, but to the wors.

So you claim that the ancient egyptians had a tale bone double the size of ours today? Losing our talebone is complete bs, and it can be proved by looking at the size of the talebone on the mummies.

Global human range expantion has nothing to do with genetics. We are talking about sun light burning the skin and the amount of pigments in the skin.

If some black people started going north to colder regions, their skin would not have turned lighter! Their skin would be as black as it was when they were born and the pigments in their skin would be the same as before.

No black has ever experienced a small skin changing by moving to colder regions, the only way the skin color could be naturally changed through generations, would be with a mixture og black and white genes.
White skin color started as a mutation in the past, but was spread out through their children with the mutated genes being the stronger than the black in some cases, eventually resulting in a white society.

How come iraqis arent black when the temperature in Iraq reaches 50 degrees many times a year, and with the temperature being above 20 95% of the year, even now when its winter the temperature is still above 25.

Humans as we know it has bin on earth for a good 200.000 years, but yet we havent went through any possitive genetic changes yet, but only mutations.

Its not 10.000 years, but more like 200.000 years without any possitive improvement of our genetics.

Thinner eyelids does not put your eyes in danger in colder regions.

 

there have been changes on the humna in the last 10.000 years, a few thousand years ago all human had hair all over their body... lol
some animals die out, new are created out of other ones.

 

"How did humans (and everything else) come into existence? The only explanation you will find in public school and university textbooks is the theory of evolution. Yet, no scientific, provable evidence supporting the theory of evolution has emerged since Charles Darwin popularized it in 1859.
If there is no support for the theory of evolution, why is no alternative taught?
We can only think of two reasons:
1 The Bible’s creation account is not “politically acceptable.”
2 The authors, book publishers, and school boards do not have all the facts."

taken from http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml

I personally believe in Creationism.

 

Since we all keep an open view here, we cannot run by the second law of thermodynamics.

 

If you dont believe in evolution, I really cant understand you.
There are changes happening to all forms of life all the time.
This is, because they have to adjust to other conditions for their life.
I thought enlightened people knew about evolution, god didnt make the world in 7 days, only hardcore sect followers could believe this.
You can see evolution every day, come on!

 

i don't believe in any of this because,if god created us "why are we suffering" such as 9/11, tsunami, etc,and evolution theres nothing to prove that we evloved from apes,apes have 98 percent of human dna but still it doest prove anything,and theory e.g big bang scientist are guessing what happened unless they put two chemicals together and created another dimension -.- which they haven't.

 

Except that we have fossils, and ways to prove (Carbon Dating) that ages ago, what I said was true. Animals just didn't sprout up where they are they way they are.... They EVOLVED during periods of drastic change, i.e. ICE AGE. Also the ages following the ice age when things returned to normality.

No, of course not. What are you, stupid? Evolution happens over HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS, of generations, not one.... wow.
Now, if you worked out all the time and had huge muscles, and then your kid did the same his whole life, and his kid, and so on, for thousands of years... Then yeah, of course it'll be a genetic pre-disposition in your bloodline...
Think about people who can eat all they want whenever they want and never gain a pound (I'm one of them) , I'm genetically pre-disposed to have a very fast metabolism because of the region of Germany where my ancestry is from, no need to store our fat...

So, you admit is it is indeed evolution?
And it is for the better as we have no need for them anymore because of technology allowing us to cut our meat (if we choose to eat meat at all).
If we didn't have the resources or technology to cut our meat(silverware), we would still need wisdom teeth to help tear off a piece of meat.

AGAIN.... It's because of TIME... holy shit.
It doesn't happen in a summer, it doesn't happen in a year, it takes hundreds of generations in a new region for there to be any permanent effect on skin pigmentation.
Here's a good example... TANNING!
Yeah, you go lay out in the sun, you get a tan... but it goes away.
If you were in Africa, had no shelter from the sun, for hundreds of generations, yeah, you bet your ass you'd be black. There were white Egyptians because they had the technology for shelter for a very long time.
On the other hand, if you're from Africa, and come to... say, North America ( around NYC) and your bloodline stays there, for hundreds of years, if not thousands, yeah... You'd be way lighter, if not white. Why do you think there are very light black people?

You creationists are always so narrow minded and ignore the FACTS....

 

I love how you cling to thermodynamics as your proof that evolution couldn't have taken place, yet you deny most all other scientific views that clearly point to evolution and simply say "Have faith."

 

You're speaking of Krypton6, I suppose?

 

May I ask you how we came to be?

When I first saw this I almost screemed for joy! sorry I have been involved with any real debates like this in about a year, sorry if my views are older, but may i ask do you now have a transitional form fossil!? you know the one fossil in all of history that shows us maybe the transition from a fish to bird!? or are what are your fossils?

Carbon Dating is innacurate.

You said you have fossils of the change, so you have a transitional for between a crocodile and an aligator? if so i would like some more information on this could you give me a web link?

I am the same way as you, I did no excercise for 3 months sit on my ass and did absoltely nothing, and gained no pounds at all. Last summer all i did was eat and nothing. Yet, not to be mean, my mother is fat. Can you explain why I can eat twice as much as her do nothing and not gain any weight, while she eats not much and is still twice as big as me?

Also you are saying that evolution takes a long time? but the way you say evolution works is changes within the same species, nothing about creating a new species correct? from everything that I see that you've posted you picking minor details out of a species, but never discuss a one species becoming another? There are many things that disprove micro evolution. just ask if you would like one stated =]

Don't we use incisor teath to cut your meat anyways? i never really knew a man who cut his meet with his back teeth, maybe if you stated the proper function for wisdom teeth? and earlier you stated there has been no need for evolution in humans, but now your stating their is? can you keep your facts straight? its hard to keep a discussion.

other scientific evidence that points to evolution? explain to me how some "sceintific views" I would like to point out views not facts that point to evolution

 

i believe in evolution, i dont understand why people wouldn't.

 

Take some biology lessons, you will then find put that evolution is real.

 

Evolution is real, but the way some people think of it is fake.

Humans were made threw evolution. But it was, in my opinoin, planned.

Life would had to have been stared by something that did not include evolution, god in my opinoin, and then the actualy evolution began into higher life forms.

 

since the past three people here have posted nothing against what i posted, may I ask do all three of you believe in micro evolution (things change slowly to help them adapt to the envirnoment)? must people do. and many are claiming biology as proof, may I ask the evoltuion of a flagellum (I think it is)

It uses over 40 parts and is one of the most efficient moters in the world, and its in some of the tiniest things. Without all of the parts coming together at once, there would be no use for them. can I ask how this was micro evolved?

Your probably young (under 18) and have been in the public school system telling you that evolution is fact. It is also easier for someone without a religion to say "oh we evolved" and go on with your life then believing that anything else put you here.

so you admit that God created the world then it evolved and the Bible is fasle?
If so may I ask you why he created it? and if their life after death?

taken some, they have shown me that evolution is false more then true

 

Why yes, yes you can. Have you ever heard of the Primordial Soup theory? You see, at first, there were chemicals, light energy, and some water. Throw in some electricity (lightning) and the chemical reaction from the charge could form compounds, such as AMINO ACIDS... You know, the building blocks of organic life... Read up on the infamous 1950's experiment performed by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey. There's my proof. Yes, you can point out the flaws in the Primordial Soup theory, but I say unto you this... There was enough TIME for the amino acids to EVENTUALLY get it right and form proteins. I never said it happened over night. Also, at least this is a structure for an actual case for evolution, rather than just blindly saying, "Oh, a higher power/being just made it so." With no support, no basis that this is factual... Just faith.

Let's see... /beginsarcasm - I believe, I may be wrong here (who knows) but I'm fairly certain /endsarcasm - this is EXACTLY what people refer to as the missing link. We don't have it for human evolution, yet. But at least that's all we're missing. Theism is lacking ANY support or factual evidence. We're just lacking the missing link. Anyway, here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_primate_and_hominin_fossils

How can you say this? FAITH is inaccurate. Theism is inaccurate.
If you would like to see the science and math backing radiocarbon dating, here you go. NOW tell me it's inaccurate. And actually say why.. Didn't you get on my case for not showing evidence? Show evidence of something's inaccuracy before calling it out. Thank you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

Yes, they are both from the order of Crocodilia. I don't have links for the specific fossils, but they were split from the order of Crocodilia into the families of Alligatoridae and Crocodylidae. I thank you.

Genetics aren't perfect. Sometimes they're fucked up... Mutation is just one example of this. Of course something like this wouldn't stay constant, marriage would be the cause for this.. Because of people getting married and bearing children with people from other, much different regions, this is flawed. You see, my ancestry, ALL from a specific part of Germany. As far as I can trace it, it's all been from South-Eastern Germany. Also, yeah, you can move to a different location and in your lifetime you might change weight drastically, but your children are still going to be genetically pre-disposed to be inclined towards what you originally were. Also depends on what you're eating.

Again, refer to my bit about the Primordial Soup Theory.

Actually, I honestly doubt cavemen used just their incisors... I believe they stuck a huge piece of meat in their mouth and used ALL their teeth to tear it away from the bone. They didn't know when meat was fully cooked, nor did they have any silverware. Sure they have sharpened arrowheads, but they didn't cut the meat into tiny little pieces. We have frozen cavemen and the contents of their stomachs showed this. We are now omnivores, meaning we eat whatever we choose, be it meat, or plantation. Wisdom teeth were very useful when humans were exclusively carnivores, but now they are fairly useless. Also, yes, I did indeed say there was no evolution. Though, I hadn't thought of wisdom teeth until someone brought it up. Big deal....

There are indeed facts that point to evolution, unlike theism. You have NO facts or evidence of theism.

And yes, you can attack evolutionists and the such based on the fact that most of our beliefs are merely theories, but theories are a couple monumental steps further than faith... Does anyone, anywhere have ANY sort of FACTUAL proof as to the existence of a higher power/being? Didn't think so...
That's why it's called faith. When you have no proof whatsoever you're supposed to just believe it and it's so. Theism isn't even a theory, it's a HOPE backed by nothing whatsoever.


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Age has nothing to do with anything. I can go up to a little kid and start yelling at him because he's been brought up to believe in a deity. Children that are brought up by theistic families are brainwashed to believe nothing but theistic views. They need to be taught both and then given the choice to use their rational thought and choose which they would rather believe in...
It is also easier for someone WITH religion to say "Oh, a deity made everything the way it is." Or be like Kirk Cameron and flat out say, "It's complicated, therefore there must have been a higher being to create it." and go on with their life than believing in something which has MERIT, which has PROOF and FACTUAL evidence. I don't see how any rational, educated human being can just completely deny evolution and stick to the story that a deity just magically created everything and made it the way it is.

 

You all are wrong, I will now enlighten you. In the beginning some being nobody has proof exists came along and magically was there forever! he then said let there be light (EVEN IN A TRANSLATABLE LANGUAGE!) then made animals and then adam and eve, they had sex and make all the billions of people that live here today. the man then turned his back on us and that is why he doesnt answer our prayers BUT HE IS THERE! then a big flood came along and killed everyone but noah and his family and he got 2 of all the trillions of animals in the world to board his boat magically. next someone claimed to be the son of the creator and a new part of the book was published about him because he was real! we all know it but have no proof. the man was crucified and came back to life and now there is a heaven and hell so if you be good you go to heaven and if youre bad you go to hell, and in heaven its a nice place. and if you obey the 10 commandments you go to heaven, theres no proof they exist but i belive! next what happened was after nearly 2008 years humanity still belives what stoneage people belived! darwin was wrong, read the bible i belive it. And that is why you are all wrong, thanks.

 

First from all your quotes you did not touch the flagellum comment witch can disprove the micro evolution itself, how can one of 44 functions that do nothing together be benificial and help it survive unless there are all 44.

I mean how did anything, and I mean anything. was it the big bang? or always here and always will be. How did these chemicals get thier? the light energy? the water? electricity?

you know that some of your support in there to me is incorrect?

Lucy, a pritty big discovery wasnt it? big enough that one of lucy's legs was found over 100 yards away from the rest of the fossil? /begin sarcasm yep, before lucy died, she decided, "Hell I'll tear my leg off and put it way over here, then they will always wondered what happened!" / endsarcasm
but the fact is its true, lucy's leg was found over 100 yards away from the rest of here

another fossil, I forget wich, also a pritty big discovery (sorry havent been involved in the topic for a while, I need to find my old information sheets) was just a man with crickets. He was found underground crouching between standing and an apes common position. Evolutionists thought this was sure proof, and still commonly used, it is probably in your link, I didn't take the time to read the entire thing.

 

Your flagellum comment is pretty much just the argument of irreducible complexity.

Which has not been accepted by the scientific community and has no use outside of creationism.

If you want a response to it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#Response_of_the_scientific_community

But enough of "evolution doesn't explain this, so my theory wins by default." Let's see some theist arguments!

 

Ok, first, I have to say it. I don't know where you're from, but for such an educated person, your spelling is shit. No offense, of course.
Also, excuse me for overlooking ONE of your points...
You're absolutely right, irreducible complexity COULD disprove micro evolution.
But, there are parts of the flagella (basal body) that have shown a great similarity to the Type III secretory system found in Salmonella.
"The needle's base has many elements in common with the flagellum, but it is missing most of the proteins that make a flagellum work." This system shows that taking away parts from a flagella would NOT render it useless, as it could potentially be used by Salmonella or Yersinia pestis.

I honestly don't have an answer for this, but simply because I don't, doesn't automatically mean it was a higher power/being/deity.
That's what I hear from most theists, "Oh, you can't explain it, so it must have been a higher power/being/deity."
Don't be like Kirk Cameron here and say something along the lines of, "It's complicated... There MUST be a creator."
It's complete, and utter bullshit.

Ok, well let's see...
When they had found her shinbone, it had been sliced on the front. Possibly indicating that she was killed. Another key point, they found that specific bone a full year before they found any other part of her skeleton. This was back in the 70's! They didn't have GPS or anything even remotely close, they had written maps. Very possible that they were mistaken on the location of where they first found her shinbone. Also, they only found the rest of her skeleton on a HUNCH that the lead researcher, Donald Johanson had. He just happened to have a HUNCH to look in a place that had been searched, top to bottom, AT LEAST twice already. Furthermore, they never even found her complete skeleton, only about 40% (which by archaeological standards is quite a lot), but still, that's 60% of her skeleton they didn't even find.
What I'm trying to get at is, she stood at only 3 foot 8, ever think she could have been attacked by a group of predators, and pieces of her taken to different locations? Think about it, please...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hominina_fossils
Find it for me on the list and we can discuss it, although I don't know what exactly the point is you're trying to make on this one...


Also, don't call me out on looking over a single point of yours, when you only took scraps of what I posted to reply to.

 

The sun is constantly pouring in free energy.

If you are being told that Lamarckian evolution is correct in school, then your educators are wrong.

Individuals can be born with a genetic predisposition towards running faster, you know. I wasn't referring to those who run faster due to training, etc.

Clearly, it can.

A very peculiar God, indeed.

No, small variations in their genetic code would account for the differences.

That is incorrect. "My" theory states that a baby born with a genetic predisposition towards tougher hands would do slightly better than those who weren't.

Not really. Either way, we don't particularly need wisdom teeth, so there is no selection process to select those individuals who have them.

The ancient Egyptians were a few thousand years ago, whereas humans stopped having tails millions of years ago. The difference would hardly be visible.

Exposure to cold temperatures wouldn't affect their skin color, but there would be no selection process to root out those who had light skin (in Africa, the process is the sun).

They do have dark skin.

Actually, in the past 200,000 years, humans have become smaller, frailer, and more intelligent.

For all you proponents of irreducible complexity, there is a simple example to show you that you are wrong: The mousetrap.

Explained in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXcCDxykW8

If any components of a mousetrap are removed, it cannot function. It is therefore irreducibly complex. Yet, a mousetrap, without any one of it's primary parts, is composed of multiple parts that can serve other functions. It was famously demonstrated that the "motor" of a bacterial flagellum, when it had the flagella removed, functioned as an injector for poisons.