Abortion

You didn't list rape.

Fairly, they should have a say, yet the ultimate decision rests with the mother.

They could be pressured either way.

Pregnancy, also, is not 100% secure. It can also lead to the death of both.

In this case, when the "other" is reliant upon me to survive, I am not required to inconvenience myself in order to allow it to begin living.

It's not mental instability, it's powerful emotions. You know, the type that come around when you're making a very large decision?

Both sides had an adequate opportunity to argue however they could, and the pro-lifers lost. The only reason it would change would be if the jurors changed.

Since respirators and blood filtration machines don't mind keeping somebody alive, I don't see why he wouldn't deserve to live.

You know, morally, I disagree with abortion, however, legally, I support the right to choose. It's not like I hate babies or anything.

What kind of logic is that? We decided, based on our circumstances, that the right thing to do would be to have the child, and give it up for adoption. Did I ever say that others should not live? No, I believe that other people have the right to choose, as we did.

You seem to have a very similar mentality to the one I had around eight months ago.

More rules would probably benefit humanity for the better, that is true. It is also what I thought. However, I suggest that you read Brave New World (http://www.hedweb.com/huxley/bnw/). It shows what it truly means to live in a "perfect" society.

I'm really not sure what you're saying here.

It WILL be life, but it isn't now.

It depends. If my child was five years old, and I had a choice of my own life, or theirs, I probably would sacrifice myself. If, however, my girlfriend was three days pregnant, I doubt I would.

The government can do all those things (except for the spreading of the butt cheeks...) if you are a threat to society, yes.

Making life is hardly the worst of all these. It's when a woman, for whatever reason, decides to terminate her pregnancy, and finds that she is not allowed to due to people who don't attribute to each person their due rights.

Strictly speaking, it should be legal, however, I don't know how it would end up working out if legalized, whether people would end up being forced into prostitution, sold as sex slaves, etc.

 

If you have a child it will always be reliant on you to live, and you will be inconvenienced no matter what, and if you are not, you don't love the child and you don't care for it and it should be taken not killed.

And you would work your fingers to the bone for your 4 year child to eat, isn't that dependance on you as well, or at least on your body

You support the choice and that is all, If you wanted to have the baby and your girlfriend didn't would you be mad that your opinion means nothing. Of course you would, I should have man opinion factored in as a man who loves that soon to be baby.

Link works, but it doesn't lead to a story, if you find where they moved it I will read it.

If my wife wanted an abortion, I would have no say, because it is her body, and her child. I have no say at all. The fact that if I wanted my child to live and have a life, I have no option or chance to save it. This scares me.

Cells are a form of life. So it is still alive no mater what, just doesn't have a consicious mind.

But, giving birth to the child doesn't hurt her. So why not?

What if I want the baby and my wife doesn't, I have no choice still. Wheres my options.

Do you see that she can't do this with her body, but she can do other things. The governement doesn't give you choices for eveything and people accept it, if abortion was illegal people would accept it.
Also people are protesting saying I want to sell myself, it is my body my choice.

 

I used to be strongly against abortion, but now I'm kind of on the fence about it. Well either way abortions will be practiced whether or not its legally or illegally.

 

were not talking about a case where u have to choose between the mother and the baby, were talking about killing the baby cuase u got knocked up not killing a baby to save another(and if we were the baby should have a chnace at life like the mother did).

LOLOLOLOLOL ok so ur saying that ur life has absoloutly no value? that ur mom could have just ended ur life and it wouldnt have mattered, and no shit u would care u would never have had a chance, i rest my case if u beleive that life has no value cause u abviously dont beleive it does

 

Oooo myy gawd im soo against abortion! its killing unborn children!! i think its sooo wrong! i watched this program against it and they showed wat they do to the babies in abortion and i signed the petition against it! if u dont belive in it go to http://www.rodparsley.com to sign the petition against it

 

i just sighned that petition thanks ^^^^^^^^^

 

abortion is wrong but its thier body so its up to them

 

Well... It should be Legal, Becouse Some People can't afford it.
And most the time it's an Accident.
But they must realize what they are doing..

 

No, It shouldn;t be legal, I don;t thnk it right that an innocent life should die, due to there mothers actions. If you don;t want to have a baby, Maybe try wearing a condom or just don't have sex.

There is no reason why a INNOCENT life should be harmed for SOMEONE elses actions.

 

Ten reasons why abortion is wrong according to the bible:

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Is An Act of Murder[/SIZE]​

In reference to pregnant women, the term "with child" occurs twenty-six times in the Bible. The term "with fetus" never occurs once.
In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living human beings!
Dear reader, please answer a question: What is an "infant?" Get the answer in your mind and keep it there for a moment. Do you have it? Okay, please consider Job 3:16: "Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light." Did you see that? Job referred to unborn children as INFANTS. Not fetuses! Not masses of tissue! INFANTS! In God's eyes, an unborn child is a living human baby. God never says once that an unborn child is anything less than a human being.
David said in Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." He did not say that a fetus was shapen in iniquity and conceived in iniquity. David, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that HE was conceived. David, not a blob of tissue, was conceived.
The same is the case in Psalm 139:13-16:
"For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."
Who was in the womb? David! A literal and living person. The Bible never uses anything less than human terms to describe the unborn.
Notice that in Jeremiah 1:5 we are told that God KNEW Jeremiah:"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
To further confirm the fact that God views the unborn child as a person, please consider Exodus 21:22-23:
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,"
If the woman has a premature birth and the child lives ("no mischief follows"), then there's no death penalty. However, if the child dies (or the woman dies) God says the death penalty applies: "thou shalt give life for life." Why would God require the death penalty if He didn't consider the unborn child to be a human being?
Friend, like it or not, God says that life begins at conception, and the unborn child is a human being.
But the Bible isn't alone in declaring this truth. Science also declares that an unborn child is just as much an independent human being as you. The original human cell consists of 46 chromosomes, 23 from each parent. At no point during pregnancy does the mother contribute any new cells to the child. The original cell divides itself and multiplies to provide development and growth for the child. Scientifically speaking, the child is just as independent at six months before birth as he will be six months after birth.Yes, the mother does provide nourishment to the unborn child, but she also provides nourishment to the newborn child!
At two weeks pregnancy, the "fetus" can move alone. By four weeks the child has limbs, muscle tissue, a heart and heartbeat. Ears, eyes, and small hands are visible by the fifth week. The child responds to touch sensations by the sixth or seventh week. At eight weeks, the baby sometimes tries to take a breath when removed from the mother. At twelve weeks, the child will often struggle for life two or three hours when removed from the mother.
Friend, abortion is wrong because abortion is MURDER!

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Involves the Shedding of Innocent Blood[/SIZE]​

Proverbs 6:16-17 says that God HATES those who shed innocent blood! Deuteronomy 27:25 says, "Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen."
Who could possibly be more innocent than an unborn baby?! Yet, our society has become so wicked that it condones the slaying of 1.5 million innocent children every year. The Bible says that God HATES people who do this.

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Is A Violation of the Golden Rule[/SIZE]​

In Matthew 7:12, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Would it be your desire to suffer and die while someone traps you in a cage and literally tears your arms and legs from your body?
Abortion is a violation of the golden rule.

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Attempts To Destroy A Work of God[/SIZE]​

"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him." (Ecc. 3:14)
God is eternal, so His work is also eternal. Abortion is an attempt to do away with unwanted people--an attempt to make a liar out of God by bringing an end to His work. However, Jesus said you can destroy a person's BODY, but not their SOUL (Mat. 10:28). Parent, if you've had an abortion, your aborted child is in Heaven right now, because you only destroyed the body!

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Often Brings Shame, Heartache, and Deep Regret[/SIZE]​

After his sin with Bathsheba, King David confessed these words to God: "For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me." (Psa. 51:3) David was living under constant conviction and regret for what he had done. He couldn't get away from it!
Most women who decide to have an abortion spend the rest of their lives regretting it. Are you thinking about an abortion? I challenge you to visit with some woman who have had abortions. Ask them if they would do it again. Ask them if they have any regrets.
In the book, The Christian and Social Issues, by Tom Wallace, a reference is made to a full page Washington Post ad, dated June 13, 1983. A lady who had undergone a saline abortion six months earlier describes the mental torments that she now suffers every day. She speaks of her "...everyday hell of never hearing a baby cry without crying within myself; counting days to see how old the baby would have been; wondering what contributions my baby would have made to our desperate society; and wondering if there will ever be another chance for motherhood."
Of the abortion itself, the lady recalls, "...sitting in a crowded waiting room studying each others fearful, anxious faces...signing death certificates for what is very much alive within you...seeing crying women given tranquilizers and sent home to recuperate and try to forget."
Abortion is wrong because it brings shame, heartache, and deep regret.

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Disannuls A Plan of God[/SIZE]​

If God allows a child to be conceived, then God obviously has a plan for that child. Mary's parents didn't know that she'd give birth to the Savior of the world, but she did. God has a plan for unborn children (Jer. 1:5; Lk. 1:13-17; Gen. 4:25; Jud. 13:3-5), so to abort an unborn child is to stop a plan of God.

[SIZE=+2]Abortion De-values Human Life[/SIZE]​

God created man to be the highest form of life on earth (Gen. 1:26-28). Human life is very precious to God. In fact, it is so precious that God Himself instituted the Death Penalty for anyone who takes the life of another (Exo. 21:12; Num. 35). God places great value on human life!
However, abortion promotes the message that life is NOT so valuable, and that man can do as he pleases with it. How long will it be before our nation decides that the killing of elderly people and sick people is justifiable? Why stop there? How long will it be before it becomes lawful to kill Bible believers who refuse to conform to the world system? It won't be as long as you may think (Rev. 13:16-18; Rev. 20:4). Abortion devalues human life, and it pushes our nation a step closer to that wicked day when it becomes lawful to murder innocent people.

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Shows A Lack of Natural Affection[/SIZE]​

Paul tells us in 2 Timothy 3:3 that the last days will be characterized by people who lack "natural affection."
I believe the pro-abortion movement is a perfect example of this. It is NATURAL to conceive a child, grow to love that child, take care of the child during pregnancy, give birth to the child, and then raise the child with the best care possible. That's the natural process that God has ordained. It is NOT natural to kill the child! To commit such an act is to show a lack of natural affection, which is sin.

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Encourages Sin[/SIZE]​

"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil." (Ecc. 8:11)
Why will 1,500,000 women have abortions this year? Largely because it has become popular. It is no longer illegal, and it is no longer considered a shameful sin by our society. Every time a woman has an abortion she helps society to become more comfortable with it. She's advertising it! By her example, she's encouraging others to commit the same sin, and other sins as well. The convenience of abortion will only lead to an increase of other sins such as adultery and fornication. Friend, abortion is wrong because abortion encourages sin!

[SIZE=+2]Abortion Shows A Lack of Faith[/SIZE]​

Romans 14:23 says, "...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Hebrews 11:6 tells us that without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.
To have an abortion is to take matters into your own hands, rather than to trust God to work things out. This shows a lack of faith in God, which the Bible labels as SIN.
A desperate woman says, "I can't afford to have a child. I'm not ready for this." Lady, you need to start trusting God and claiming His promises. You need to STOP trying to run your own life for a change and START trusting God. You don't need an abortion, for such will only INCREASE your troubles. The devil has you thinking that abortion is the answer, that it will take care of everything, and you're very close to giving in to his subtle temptation. If you do, you'll regret it forever, and God will hold you accountable! Why not turn your life over to the Lord Jesus Christ right now? Why not make Him the Lord of your life and trust Him to work things out for you?

 

If you have a child that is outside the womb, that is a different scenario than something that physically requires your cooperation to survive. Pregnancy is something that specifically affects your body, whereas a child doesn't.

I'd be upset, but I'd realize that it was her body, and therefore, her choice.

Take away the closing parenthesis.

It's sad, but hopefully, your wife isn't going to make a snap decision without consulting you.

Do we hold funerals after spraying the counter tops with a sanitizing spray? I think not.

First, it can hurt her. Complications are possible. Second, she is required to dedicate a considerable chunk of her life to the pregnancy.

Not your body, not your choice.

Generally, the things that the government doesn't allow you to do are things that are not generally desired by the public. Therefore, there is no real pressure to have them legalized.

Actually, before abortion was legalized, people were clamoring for those rights for years. Your statement of people accepting it is incorrect.

Actually, we're just talking about whether a human has the right to do with their own body what they will, and whether pregnancy is a personal enough issue as to require the government to mind its own business.

What I'm saying is that I COULDN'T care, because I would never have been conscious. Obviously, now, having a consciousness, I do care for my own existence, but if my mother had had an abortion, I simply never would have existed.

It's unpleasant, but then again, most medical procedures are.

Is it a life, when it's a clump of around 100 cells? I don't think so.

Do ALL pregnancies come from consensual sex?

Bracketology, first, the Bible never mentions abortion. Therefore, what you say about it is merely interpretations, which are disputable.

Also, ever hear about something called the Separation of Church and State? It erects a figurative wall between religion and the government, which makes religious reasoning completely invalid.

 

i agree with you.

but i still think it shouldnt be allowed, just based on the fact its murder.

 

An interesting pro-legalistation point:

Most abortion cases that end in the death of the mother are as a result of the mother relying on backdoor methods- such as untrained doctors, herbalists e.t.c If it was legalised, less deaths due to accidents would occur...

 

i think its right if ur realy younge and it was a accident but hey

 

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Then you not as stubborn as I thought...

I am reading it now I will post my thoughts and view of it on this thread probably tommorrow if I finish.

Hopefully, I don't like to pray for things, I make rational decisions and don't hope.

No, but you do except that it is life before it is conscious

Everybody can have complications everyday and risk that can end your life. I can come up with a million what if scernios. Also time is wasted in life for stupid stuff, time isn't that bad to lose.

I still have some choice, regardless...

I know that the government doesn't allow things that is frowned on by society, but should it matter if it was personal? If they can interfere with other things why not abortion?

And people didnt go to fake doctors and posin there babies with pins and stuff, I know but if the laws were inforced more people would accept it.

No, it isn't, if the government can take a child from a parent for stupid reason such as unjust living conditions for a child then, I think they have the right to force you to have a baby...

 

i rest my case, u admit that abortion robs a human of its existance (a.k.a murder)

 

It should be illegal, us humans have no right to prevent a life from coming into existence.
What if your mother decided that she was not ready for a child?
Then you wouldn't be able to live, laugh, love, hate, be everything that is human.
If you put it into perspective, I'm sure if you never had the chance to live then you would be frustrated.

 

It's a commonly used expression. I don't mean to do nothing but hope, but surely you can hope as well?

If it's life before consciousness, then we should hold funerals for microorganisms, as they are not conscious.

"Lots of people don't make the most out of life, so it's ok to take time away from people."

You cannot generalize like that for all people. Even if people did waste their time, it's their time to waste.

You don't. You may feel entitled to one, but as it isn't your body, you don't have a choice.

Is it right that they interfere with other things? No.

Our society isn't perfect, and I have never claimed it to be.

Would they? Somehow, I doubt it. It's pretty hard for the government to stop you from going to a "back-alley doctor", you know.

Also, many Germans accepted the slaughter of the Jews during the Holocaust. Because they accepted it, did that make it right.

Not really. Taking a child is the removal of a responsibility from you. Forcing you to go through with your pregnancy is forcing an immense mental and emotional responsibility upon you.

Wrong. It prevents a life from ever forming.

Then let us ban all forms of birth control, and force ALL females to become pregnant at every possible opportunity, and save ALL sperm in banks so as not to destroy a single potential life. You would make a great ruler.

Yes, I would be able to appreciate none of the beauty of life, and the bitter freedom that is every humans inheritance. Yet, I think that because I AM alive, and because conceptualizing my own non-existence is to imagine my own death, a concept naturally abhorrent to living beings. If I was not born, I would never know! How would I? It would be as if my parents had decided never to have sex!

 

shredder i have a quick question, are you an athiest? just wondering because this topic ultimatly comes down to morals because scientifcly abortion is smart and efficient but its morally wrong (if ur a christian)

 

It's not necessarily morally wrong if you're a Christian. Scripture teaches nothing about the matter.

Yes, I am an Atheist.