Death penalty back to UK?

death penelty pointless because you have to wait like 15 years before you get killed. Alsoi think it should be eye for an eye, If you torture someone before they are killed you dont deserve just to be injected you should be tortured for rest of your life

 

That's an extremely harsh view, but it wouldn't work.

Sure it seems to make sense, man tortures wife to death, he should get the same punishment.

But what if one is raped to death?
Point rested.

 

i agree, i beleive giving the goverment the power to decied who lvies and who dies is wrong

 

Depends, If you say yes it should be brought back, what if your the one doing the crime, then you will most likely regret your decision,

 

dude the murder sentence shouldn't be enforced. i think life in prison is the best thing for those rare circumstances, because thats worse than death.

 

id rather take the chair then spend life in prison. fuck the death penalty, instead just put them in jail and neglect to give them any KY jelly

 

That doesn't make sense at all.

Shouldn't everyone in jail be "100% proven guilty with no chance of them been sentenced wrong."?

 

It makes sense to anyone who watches the news. Many people are often let out of jail because they were proven to be innocent. There was one famous case too (i forget what it was now) but anyway some dude was killed because of the death penalty etc and right after his death new evidence was found that proved him to be innocent. I think all countries should have the death penalty. I think it would lower crime rates since people would think twice about killing someone rather than thinking "if i go to jail, i got plenty of time to find a way out". It'll more be "if i'm caught, i'm honesty dead, i don't wanna risk it". So yeah, if someone kills anyone else i think they should be killed in return BUT there must be no chance of innocense. The person must be 100% proven guilty.

 

I'm Christian, if you didn't know.
I personally don't believe there should so easily be an exception to the 6th commandment unless there is reason to believe the person would still be a threat to others if he were locked up.
As far as them being a leech of government funds, I think labor camps should be made. If anything, the prisons could generate a little profit even.
Making such things would be extremely difficult and controversial. I'm uncertain about specific aspects of it, but I know I don't agree with death penalties.

Nobody would be convicted if that were the case. 100% proof doesn't exist.

 

No I don't think they should personally, people should have to suffer for the crimes they have commited, until they die, death is a easy way out of it, if you've commited an atroushous crime.

 

Most of my information is going to be in terms of the US, because that is where most of my knowledge is.

To address some of the things so far:

It could be the result of the fact that not all states have it, and those that have it have a large number of requirements to be applicable, a ton of processes to go through, and (in general) a media very opposed to it. It is great that there are many, many screenings you go through before executing someone, which is why many pro death penalty people flaunt the fact that the US has not executed someone that was later proven innocent.

Again with the US, there is something we have that allows people plead guilty due to mental disability (after an examination by a professional) that allows people with such mental illnesses to not face the same treatment as those in their right mind. I also go back to the point I made above that as far as I know, there are no cases of someone that has been executed and later found innocent as far as I'm aware.

Again, it could be a number of things. How tough it is to actually get someone killed? It could be all of the people who for some reason believe that after being convicted of killing 10 people the person who did it has as many rights as I do. It could be the fact that in many places of the world it is pretty much guilty until proven innocent. There a ton of things that could lead to it, and that was going on 50 years ago, times change. That fact is long expired.

Wow... bit by bit.

Yes there is, it is when people are convicted by an impartial group of their peers in a system that favors the defendant who has a large number of opportunities to appeal, deal with the state (plead guilty to take the DP "off the table"), and they are screwed up to the point that in modern terms they could pre-meditate the murder of someone else, but in my opinion it should also include things like cop killers, child rapists, and any murders that involve any premeditation or forethrought.

You ruin a life, you forfeit yours. If you kill someone trying to protect us and it gets someone the same punishment as someone that murders their husband for the insurance money, something is wrong. If a 8 year old will never be able to trust people as long as they live because the person who is supposed to teach a child took advantage of the situation. Someone that knowingly takes someones life obviously considers the raminifications.

So why let these people that are "fucked up" stick around to maybe get another shot at commiting the same crimes? There are plenty of incidents of escaped convicts, and if you kill 15 people in a park I'm sure you won't hold any more respect for life when you get out.

Good point. If (by todays rules) I had just commited mass murder or another extraordinarily horrible crime in a state where they allow it, I wouldn't consider traveling around with a gun. Because hey, even though I just killed a ton of people I wouldn't even dream of trying to fight anyone who trys to apprehend me with deadly force because I obviously have a great respect for human life.

It's not like the death penalty is for carjackers who would become aggresive to save themselves. The people we are talking about have commted horrible crimes to the extent where I'd bet that they could care less if its life in jail or the needle when the cops come for them.

Not saying that people in maximum security lockup have a huge right to life, but again with my arguement that people who are eligable for the death penalty probably do not respect human life, so they are a danger around anyone.

As much as I wish, this would just make prisions more vulnerable to someone getting out than right now... and like you said too many people would whine.

"A study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%."

So, when people argue it costs less to convict a person for life than to death is correct. Here's the costs they don't consider.

• Cost of an inmate per year (About $22,000 per year times a minimum of 25 years for 1st Degree Murder - $550,000+)
• Prisons are becoming overcrowded. We need to purchase more land, build the prision, pay for the extra security for maximum security jailing, have more guards, energy, and resources (Some estimate this to be about $56,000 per inmate) being used for someone that could easily be pur in a $100 box of wood in a small plot of land.
• Limiting the number of appeals could save court costs.
• When there is actually a set death time, one may be more inclined to confess before their execution to any crimes (saving $$ from investigations) rather than one day just not waking up.
• Had someone like Hitler been caught if we outlaw the death penalty. (If you're thinking yah, but that was mass murder... where do you draw the line at? NO death penalties means NO death penalties. You're saying he should have been allowed to live if we catch him.)
• More Lives - The potential someone escapes and kills more.

Yes it does. If someone gets caught on camera in McDonalds shooting 10 people, I call that 100% proof.

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What gives these people the right to keep what they take?

 

Lol seriously the straightjacket is almost never used

 

Thats a good point, when did you become Christian though lol? You never seem to act Christiany in other threads lol. LoL @ MD Sister ANIMATION.

 

Aye, an eye for an eye, a life for a life..

 

And video recordings can't be doctored?
You use 100% far too loosely. You cannot even prove we exist. There is always room for error.

 

putting people in jail (for walls) is punishing them enough. how would u feel living in a cell for that long? looking at the same shit, having the same shit. itwill be like hell...and they make it like that for scum

 

I agree but when i say 100% i'm not thinking that "deep", hundreds of witnesses, watching someone kill someone else, and video recodings would be near enough 100% proof.

 

We already live in a world of fear, id say no as i wouldnt want the UK to be like china, china is controlled by fear, i was watching a documentry the other day about it and it is really bad, children getting kidnapped,getting sold,people being killed all the time.

 

The problem with the death penalty is the fact that if the person is later proved to be inoccent and that it was somebody else you cant exactly release them and compensate them, theyre already dead

 

Are we talking to the same people who can negotiate with the state (to save the state money) priveleges like a TV in their cell, extra rec time, for those who couldn't normally afford it 3 square meals a day plus shelter and a bed, can easily get narcotics in jail? Or are we talking about the ones in the movies where everyone has last months cookes in their beard.

Keep in mind too what happens if these people get out...

I didn't think you'd go philosophy on me with the whole existance thing (although being the Christian you are as mentioned earlier don't you believe that God created us, therefore making us exist? Don't answer really. Just say No, I could be misinterpreting or assuming your beliefs which would be off topic, so don't open the can there. I'll just take your word. )

If the government was out to get people by "doctoring" videos there ae better ways than trying them of a capital crime (i.e. have an undercover agent go pay some guy the going rate ($10,000?) to gun the person they want dead in the street, and it would save the publicity, room for losing, AND money.)

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(As usual, in reference mostly to the U.S.) Or, maybe another reason for it being bad, maybe its because they are so overpopulated that it is common pratice to kill babies, especially females, they have no control over their money, instead a governement that reports to nobody has control of it, their media and press is controlled, you don't really have elections there, and so many people are prejudiced against them because of the gold sticker that reads "Made In China" on all of the lead barbies and rubber duckies?

Thanks to our appeals process, the people would get about 10 years in jail, which would serve the purpose mentioned earlier about making them suffer through jail but at the same point also making sure that wrongful exectutions are very low if existant.

We also lose so many people from murder a low number of wrongful convictions (although very sad) would be at the bottom of my list of concerns.