Israel

It's funny that I can destroy your argument with a single link from BBC News dated from the past year:

Israel 'approves 464 settlement homes in West Bank' - BBC News


You must not get out much because Israel has been expanding on a yearly basis.

 

Alluding to "hey I'm going to destroy your argument with..." only makes your own argument seem weaker. You are right, though. Israel does continue to expand. I'm just letting you know that in the future if you wish to show an assertive argument, you should be coherent and expand on the sources you cite rather than just citing the source itself.

 

Really? It seems pretty clear to me, you don't even have to read the article itself, he just has to read the title of the article to know that he just made a very untrue statement.

Why waste words on someone who is that far off-base?

 

Because that's how you prove your point when making a sound argument: you show someone why they're so off-base, you prove them wrong.

 

But I accomplished that with minimal effort The guy just wants to rage at people, I'm not going to engage with that much effort.

 

You just proved you didn't actually read anything, and that again not only on the electoral college topic, you're also uneducated on this topic.

None of the settlements are built in Area A, making it legal. Area A is 100% under PA jurisdiction, butttttttttttttt, unfortunately, again, the settlements aren't built in there.

Try again.

E: Silly me, I keep forgetting to ask you simple questions that make you look at your own response and think "dang i'm stupid."

Please tell me who was occupying the land before it came under Israeli control that went against the UN resolution divvying it up (here's a hint, their name starts with a "J").

Secondly, please explain to me what Area A, B and C all are, considering the article makes no mention of where these settlements are located in the WB.

Lastly, please explain to me what the Oslo Accords are.

Simple right? Once you've done that you can proceed to see yourself out of the forums.

 

Israel is "expanding" on land that's actually theirs as per the Oslo Accords. Every dispute that occurs in the WB occurs on Israeli owned land that goes against the Oslo Accords and IDF military law.

 

I think I poorly worded my original post. I agree with your earlier points about rights to own land and duties to abstain from interfering with others land. My main criticism rests upon Israel's expansionist tendencies, such as expansion into Palestinian territory on the West Bank and East Jerusalem. I argue that in those situations, Israel is attempting to do what England did to Northern Ireland - settle the area with enough Israelites such that Israel has an excuse for having its military there, and eventually an excuse for annexation.

Practically speaking, it would probably be difficult, but it certainly would be justifiable. Reparations cannot be made to the ancestors (though in this case there are some who are still alive), but if their children and grandchildren suffer as a result, they are owed compensation. Consider the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow laws in the U.S. - black people are suffering as a direct result of what their ancestors suffered.

Unfortunately, there's no hard cut-off. My initial feelings on this would be that as time passes in the hundreds of years, the "right" to the land would gradually fade. As an example, I don't support evicting the descendants of the Normans out of England and giving the land back to the Anglo-Saxons.

That is nature, yes, but this is more of a moral argument. I imagine that if somebody threatened you with a gun and took all of your belongings, you wouldn't shrug and chalk it up to nature.

I'll check it out, thanks!

I'll agree with that. I've never had a problem with a Jewish homeland as a peaceful, non-expansionist state.

That's true, but if you want to look that far back, the Jewish people conquered the land from its original inhabitants.

Interesting links. I'll definitely read them, thanks!

 

I understand that, but the Jews still exist. All other cultures that had any cultural ties to Judea and Samaria ceased to exist millennia ago.

 

That's true. With regards to that I'd definitely support a peaceful Jewish homeland.

 

This. Its creation stemmed from western created division following the first world war only to be abandoned by all aid predeceasing WW2. The pot was created, stirred, then abandoned at the hands of the British for Jewish, and Israeli support in wartime efforts.