The Shroud of Turin: Real or Hoax

The Shroud of Turin has been an interest to myself for quite a while now, and I have been fascinated by the way it has exemplified the interface between science and religion.

Q: What is the Shroud of Turin?

A: The shroud is rectangular, measuring approximately 4.4 x 1.1 m (14.3 x 3.7 ft) Some believe it is the cloth that covered Jesus of Nazareth when he was placed in his tomb and that his image was recorded on its fibers at or near the time of his proclaimed resurrection.

Q: Real or Fake?

A: Since the 1980s serious debate has arisen over the validity of the Shroud. Evidence seems to point both directions leaving this inevitably for faith to decide.

Remember, this ISN'T an argument over the "miracle powers" of this shroud. I am solely questioning the fact that it once covered Jesus. Discuss, debate, etc.
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Well it depends on dating tests, etc. What made his face wear off onto it?
Needless to say that is creepy as fuck.

 

I don't think that that ever covered Jesus' face.

Two reasons:

1). I don't think that Jesus ever existed.

2). I'm not aware of too many processes that will make someone's face be projected onto a cloth.

 

Also, thats extremely creepy and that face just makes me look away. Jesus's face wouldn't do that right?

 

Hmm, I think as the body decays something and something bleh.. Personally I dont believe it covered him.. And also the way people claim the image was xferd was through some extreme radiation.

 

Carbon dating has proven that it is in fact a fake.

"In 1988, scientists carried out carbon-14 dating of the delicate linen cloth and concluded that the material was made some time between 1260 and 1390. Their study prompted the then archbishop of Turin, where the Shroud is stored, to admit that the garment was a hoax."

http://www.physorg.com/news4652.html

 

Yep, and then the religous peoples countered with some crap claim that seed pollen or something flawed it.. That or the sample tested was from a piece of cloth with was used to repair the shroud

 

As kovict stated extreme radiation caused this. I think it probably did cover Jesus. However I have no Idea.

And just for the record, I will never be an atheist.

 

That was just a radical idea that the church proposed.. not realistic..

 

Oh believe me radiation was proven in this effect.

 

How was it proven? And WHERE would this radiation come from? Was it Holy Radiation coming from his corpse?

 

Lol @ Holy Radiation

 

i have to disagree.. NOBODY denies the fact jesus didnt exist.. we all know he existed.. whether or not he is a god/messiah etc is highly questionable

 

1. Google, History Channel, Youtube, etc.

2. You tell me.

3. Supernatural?

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Actually, the main reason that people accept his existence is because they're used to doing so without question. There isn't really any historical evidence to indicate that he ever existed; I don't think that the Gospels were intended to be taken as a biography.

I would like to have some evidence supplied.

The burden does not rest upon the skeptic to prove that it is the shroud of Christ; rather, it lies upon the defender of this belief.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kae1jsQjN1k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ro380Xa7wa8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aecIISVNF4k
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xeKYgM1zIhI

 

Hoax i saw some docomentary about this.

 

According to Christians/the Bible, he was literally soaked in blood from head to toe when he was killed. I highly doubt they took him behind the shed to hose him off before burying him. So let's assume he still had a sheen of blood coating his face when they simply threw a shroud over his face, the shroud would then settle across his features and the blood would soak into it. Over time, the composition of the blood would change, the DNA itself most likely decaying/falling apart, leaving nothing that may or may not register as an organic material that once came from a human. Nonetheless, it could still very well leave the imprint of a face on it, if the circumstances were right.

Whether this is Jesus's shroud, who knows. I highly doubt it. But it's still a real shroud, centuries and centuries old, and definitely worth admiring for its creepiness.

 

"Radiocarbon tests in 1988 by three independent teams of scientists yielded results indicating that the shroud was created in the Middle Ages".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

 

For once I have no opinion, due to myself having no idea in the slightest.

Thankyou for actually telling us what the item you are discussing is, for a change from everyone else. Very helpful.