My 2 cents.

You don't get it do you?

People don't flame rap because they hate it, they flame the ignorant ass rappers who think they listen to the best music and insult all the other better genres. Yes music is meant to be enjoyable, but rap deviates too far from music. The beats are synthetic, and there is no instruments other then a computer wave file penetrating your ear drum.
Music requires instruments, so don't give me that shit that instruments "aren't" the answer to the music bias.

That song sucks, and you need to listen to Pestilence, they go faster and are good thrash metal.
Whats even more embarrassing is how your entire argument is based solely on the fact of their singing speed. Too bad you lack other areas, like vocal progression or regression. I'm talking about things like the musical voices from Portal, or Aghora. You know what I mean right? Maybe not, since you made this topic.

And, yes people go listen to what they enjoy. Just the sad truth is how people actually don't enjoy rap as much as metal fans. You don't see then moshing at concerts, dedicating their life to music, learning instruments to replicate their favorite member. You said you like cannibal corpse up there, so I assume you have a minute (at minimum) clue what I'm talking about.
Though I expect nothing but complete cluelessness. You listed all nu-metal bands. What the fuck is wrong with you? You claim to be a metal fan and list KoRn and Slipknot? Get out, please!


Your entire post was "to be the most ignorant and untrue statment made". It followed through with it by proving a complete lack of musical knowledge.

I doubt you even listen to classical. You listed like all rap bands and nu metal stuff (excluding Ozzy and CC, which I feel you may have just put them on there falsely to make people think you know what you are talking about). How about Jazz? African? Samba Briza? That stuff is way more appealing. By far.

Also, on topic of respect, I probably gain more respect around here defrauding pathetic topics (akin to this abomination you laid before us, retard).

HOW is it wrong? You didn't even back that up, you just went onto some completely different point and left us in the dust?
Or do you even have a point?

I admit, you are smarter then the average human being since you do listen to Eminem.
Well until you spelled this:

I enjoy the music I listen to because it takes years of practice to create that sound. I suggest you pack up the suitcase, and don't hang yourself any further while you are here.
In conclusion to this failure of a post I will say:
fuck you rock is good, rap sucks

 

I don't think you understand.... You claim rap takes no skill to do but it sells almost just as much as Rock does.

Seriously, have you heard of The Scribble Jam, in 97?
Probley ones of the best battles if seen, heres a link :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GYGep0zPMbA

It's Eminem vs Juice - Yes Eminem gets owned in this one, but it still shows you how much talent Juice has to think of that on the spot! They don't say ok, go take 10 mins and come back with a rap to perform to the audience.

Juice busts good on every line and Eminem comes not on every line but when he does come up with something, it hits them hard.

Heres another Eminem and Proof freestlye :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k-2kk6s1axk&mode=related&search=

Now some people like it some people don't, i'm kool with that, i'm not going to say Rock sucks because it doesn't, this is where you go wrong, saying Rap sucks is a stupid statment, since it's based on your opinion.

So, no rap doesn't suck, thanks for sharing your opinion. But i for one do not care for you raipping on a genere i like.

 

I can sympathise with all the arguments made here. I mostly agree with the points Cstrike raises, though, when I make arguments against rap, I do not include freestyle rapping, that is, making your rap up on the spot to combat another's, in my arguments. I will agree with your there Ryan, that freestyle rapping would be extremely hard. Though I still think that the mainstream rap of today, people like 50 Cent, Kanye, and others, are all about their image, and have no true musical talent. I mean, these people aren't ones who have to make up their lyrics on the spot. They make them up over time, and are able to think over what they say, and they still can't come up with anything better than "i got shot, smoke chronic and pot, my hoes are hot, pimpin' on the dot" and I just have to say that they come off as rather pathetic (and yes, I know there are some great rappers out there who aren't (though sometimes am) mainstream and don't fill their raps with "pimpin' niggers wit der hoes" and etc and I respect them).

Also I'd have to agree on the fact that the only arguments that you are laying down for rap is the ability to speak at speed... I really don't see what this has to do with musical ability.

 

That list sucks, you should listen to:
My Chemical Romance
Fall Out Boy

 

your stupid, you are just saying that because other losers say its emo. but ive got news for u, its not!

 

those are prolly worst bands to listen to unless your like a 10 year old girl lol. i prefer to listen to metal over rap but i do not think rap sucks though. every person has their own opinions and preferences on different types of music

 

You cant say you listen to 'my' music and then say Slipknot is true metal. Unless nu-metal = metal, then something serious changed overnight.

Well I did. You just got sand in your vagina over it.

I think you misread some stuff. I don't care if they enjoy it. I don't flame people because they enjoy it. I respond justly to each argument no matter how pathetically put forth-- that infringes upon the boundaries of music I enjoy through hypocritical responses synonymous with crying.

Hey I listen to things like AC-DC and Aeon Spoke, so I guess you can't really flame me there can you?
Well go ahead anyways, not like I care.

I know for a fact that certain albums could not have had a better producer. Those producers usually keep the instruments real.

Hey dumbass, never mind I'll just refer you to my above post.
In fact I don't care about how mainstream they are. You assumed really REALLY wrong there. I enjoy musical talent, thats all. Thats why I listen to mainly technical metal. I don't care if they are as popular as Dethklok is in fiction, I will still listen. Anti-mainstream I think might be grindcore lovers (Don't hold me to it though, I'm not actually sure on that).

Cynic has been around 15+ years
Judas Priest has been around approximately 40ish (+/- a few).
Another incorrect statement debunked.

Oh and Slipknot blows if you don't already know. Plus I thought they broke up?

Hello, you have royally confused me with someone who cares again. Stop. Reach for the flamethrower. Torch computer. Never spread your stupidity on the internet again. "KTHXBAI"

I'm sorry you hate musical talent. Oh well more for me.
Oh and saxamofones is spelled correctly, at least according to one dictionary that published "D'oh" as a word.

Irrelevant point to this discussion.

Yeah I don't like the music I listen to. I just sit here and pretend to listen to it and then go and learn an instrument and play it falsely for years just so I can come on message boards telling everyone what musical terms like Legato Sweeps and Ostinato's are even though I probably made those words up. I also do not go out of my way each day to continue mastering certain patterns, certain styles of music, and different time signatures. It's just a complete charade.

Lastly, I clearly like to just put on headphones all day and listen to the music I 'do not' enjoy-- or better yet listen to nothing at all-- just so it can look like I'm listening to music. Isn't that a great story?

I never said classical wasn't appealing retard. I said rap is not appealing in the slightest and you are coaxed into believing it by submission to the mainstream losers.
Oh and for the record, my stuff is more appealing.

Stop plagiarizing my sentences. It's quite embarrassing when people use the same stuff I do, thinking they are so huge and magnificent for fluctuation of someone else's intelligence.

1. See my response to Ryan coming up.
2. Free style rap does not mean it is any better then the total rape-of-the-english-language the moron had done to the poor crowds ears beforehand.

Oh hey hey hey! Another blunt stereotype. Yes, there is screaming-- in Metalcore. Yes Metalcore sucks balls. Any true metalhead would know that. I've seriously proved this wrong so many times I should really just put my answer on notepad. Instead of typing it out, I'm going to say "Go look at my other threads for my answer on this." If you aren't going to even read my answer due to the fact everything you say is blown back into the confetti it is, then I'll just save myself the time, and your brain from the humility of losing.

If I banged on pots and pans and then gave it to a record company, they produced it good and made it into some fad, does that really mean I have talent even if I mindlessly hit the pots and pans?
I hope that analogy clears up your confusion on this sensitive matter.
And yes, rap still sucks.

Actually, yes they do retard. Do you want a video of that proof? Oh wait you dont know anything about rock, considering you listen to ShitKnot. I take that as a "No9 cstrike plz help me i dun no wat de hel dey do on da stag3!!!11one!" Just trust me on this one.

For their albums yeah, cause they do want to be seen at the best of their ability

Hey dumbass, Rap goes through a machine too. Infact if there was no technology rap would not exist. Actually only the stuff I consider "Good" rap would exist, the stuff a long time ago before the commercial shit.

Why do black people flame one another with such a bad word?

Yes I know the answer dumbfuck, I'm being rhetorical, in case you are actually stupid enough to want to respond.

Ryan
Hi Ryan, you are more intellectual then the fruity-bumblebee i just removed from existence, so I'm not here to flame you. You presented valid points without being a dumbass (See above) and I will respond with the same respect.

Actually Metallica sold 100+ million albums, Judas Priest sold 50+ million, and Led Zeppelin sold 300+ million (How, I don't know...). They sell equally, if not more.

Ok I know that, just on stage, bands do battles as well, but they are the antonym of battle.
A drummer battle, is where both will play together and try and keep time and free style. This is much harder and requires lots of coordination. Sometimes there is up to 4 different drummers playing at the same time. I have taken part in drum battles and damn they are fun, but you have to be amazing at timing (Years of practice).
I do not doubt the ability of them to use their lingual mind to create things off the top of their head though.

I respect your opinion.

I'm sorry for offending you.


SUMMARY
If you assholes were all as nice as Ryan, I wouldn't have to be a complete cunt, and I could answer like I did to his response. Let this be a lesson to all.

 

I think rap is great and rock is pretty good. In general i just listen to what ever song sparks my attention... genre does not matter a lot to me (except country music >.<)

 

I win and you fail. Just the natural order of life. I can do whatever I want, by the way. Though I hold honor, I dont hack people or attack people for no reason; let alone make threads like this one.

Also, I would not talk about gene pool, because whichever gene caused you to make this thread obviously came from whichever of your brother-sister parents had the best crossing over. Obviously it will fall on deaf ears again, as I'm sure judging by your lack of understanding you didn't read any of my posts.
Continue to fail at the internet, and life. It's been a pleasure knowing you.

 

Agreed... Owned...

Also agree... (not sucking up )

I have gotten more lenient of rap and debating it, but still Atomic pretty much said it there.

 

if rapping takes no skill, as kingnick0694 posted on another topic, why dont rock bands switch? Because they love what they do, as with rap. Rap artists do it cuz they want their voice heard, their songs dont generally need to have a message to be good. And if anyone posts telling me that rap artists only do it for the money, why do rock bands go mainstream? To be broke and end up working at Mcdonalds? No, they want to make money off their music, as with any other musician. And cstrike, seriously, i would never say, Rap owns, rock sucks, thats just being ignorant. And if someone likes rap, why do u give a fuck, we dont need useless posts like urs trying to prove that one type of music is better than others, just live with it.

 

They do not choose to go mainstream. Take Death for example, Chuck Schuldiner never intended to go mainstream, but his death metal was so good his name became huge.

You are highly mistaken. I do not say "Rap sucks". That is just being ignorant. I prove why it sucks, thank you very much.
Oh, and read my other thread on why I don't attack people, I defend when others bash my music.

 

Erm, perhaps, once again, you should try reading what I said? I didn't say there was anything wrong with taking time to come up with lyrics and music, it's just pathetic that the vast majority of mainstream rappers, unlike freestyle rappers, have the time to sit down and write what they're going to say, and still can't come up with anything better than their stereotypical nigger, ho, bitch, pimp shit.

Also as for your listing songs by rappers which aren't about that, please read the end of my post, the part in brackets, again. For the record I think NWA are great and deserve the recognition they get.

 

you my friend, listen to crap bands!

 

Cstrike you are constantly making ignorant posts ripping on genres. What you don't understand is rappers spend time practicing just as a musician would. Sure there is alot of rappers out there that are completely image... Lil Jon comes to my mind and is a pretty terrible example of rap/hip hop but all in the same there is countless amounts of "rock" bands that are all image as well.

You might dislike or avoid rap as a genre much the same as I avoid most reggae or stuff like The Indigo Girls, K.D lang (butch lesbian pride music) but it doesn't make it talentless or shit.

Rock is also a pretty broad genre, you could spend all day listening all the subgenres and I can guarantee you a lot of them suck ass.

Why cant you just accept that there is good and bad in all genres of music and to make the generalization that one genre is nothing but shit is only proving your ignorance.

 

Ignorant? Nope. Not me, wrong person.

Last time I checked, Jim Chapin has been playing jazz on his drums for 60-70 years. Nice try though. Tell me a rapper whos been doing music for 70 years. Is the genre even that old? No its not.

A lot huh? I think you mean totally all. Those who aren't in it for image are the only rap artists I can stand, and usually thats nerd core cause its a complete joke.

Like? Maybe black metal in terms of the kiss like outfits and oh-so-lovable satan worship, and maybe 80's hair metal, but at least they have skill and don't result in people being killed, shot, or maimed. Whats funny is how certain rap individuals are banned from performing, while we have black metal bands playing here. Thats funny.

Perhaps you should check out R&B and reggae. They actually have musical instruments, and run off of a blues variant, using skip beats in 16th note notation to convey feeling. The skip beat is actually a shuffle. Its not strictly 1e+a2e+a, or lrlrlrllrlrlrr paradiddle in certain cases, but it does work.

I fixed your post above. Now it is correct.

Ok I have to agree that there is good and bad in each genre. In metal we have nu-metal and metalcore. Those both blow bad. Also, you seem to fail to see the ideal argument everyone except you are seeing: Rap is full of the latter. Thats why everyone hates it.

For the last time captain lack of intelligence, he posted in a polite way. You lack that.

Then why'd he even post it? You seriously make these forums depressing. You act more emo then XstaleX, and whine to a higher degree then b4d1. Your intelligence is also as dumb as, oh whats that morons name... I forget. Also, its "Guarantee". Unless you want Guar leaves.
Oh yeah his name is cucumber.

Please do me a favor and shoot your screen so you will never come back here. Maybe it will ricochet at your head and evolution will continue forward for once since your birth?

 

O.M.G. dang this guy makes a statement all of a sudden its w0rld war 3 over the internet. i listen to rap cause i like it. i listen to metal, rock, alternative, everything and YES a little country, just the new stuff though.

you CAN'T force anyone to STOP listening to a certain type of music by saying it sucks so DON'T bother.

 

^^ exactly, thats why i stopped trying, u cant win with this guy, its all wah wah wah about how rap sucks, i bet if he listened to some old school shi7, then he'll change his mind...i think...

 

The only good rap is the rap that jokes about shit, like nerd core, and M C Hammer or whatever he did (Though his video's made him look like a poser).

Do I really need to state my stance on mainstream rap again?

 

What does the length of time someone has been playing have anything to do with practice?

You seem to be a very angry incorrect person