Columbine Shooting

Who can you sympathize with more in the Columbine situation? The shooters or their victims?

Feel free to use religion as your argument but dont make this a religous debate.

Subquestion- Do you think Cassie really said yes?​

 

1. The victims, obviously.

2. It's been proven by witness that she did not.

 

My friend was one of the kids in the school that got out. I really don't want to talk about the things he saw but, I feel for the Victims.

 

WOW. I have a feeling I will come back to this after posting this so. here we got.


Where do you get off calling the hundreds who died "victims" THEY WERE VICTIMS. No quotations. No catch. They were shot down by a bunch of raving psychopaths early in life.

There was NO jsutification for what those monsters did that day. To call them the victims is just immoral and wrong.

It was NOT the parents fault. It was NOT the victims fault. It was NOT the video games.

It is human nature to feel hate, and for some it is more severe than most. But there is absolutely NO excuse for what they did, and there never will be.

 

Uh.... theyre werent hundreds of victims.. there were only about 25.

 

these guys were nazis/satanists i have no sympathy for those bastards

 

Well, the shooters did...well one for sure had a psychological problem. He even went to a psychiatrist...for a while. He had a need to "dominate" the world. They were two best friends, who they say, also influenced themselves. One of their favourite movies was "Natural Born Killers" Or something that like, and they said they played violent games like Doom. Read some of the shit on wikipedia...or youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4eRb4GumGyQ

That's the beginning of Zero Hour: Massacre at Columbine

Find the rest.

 

Oh your right they are innocent because they only killed 25. Sorry.

don't make points that are irrelevant to the situation.

 

I feel like I can sympathize more with the shooters. I feel for the victims deffinately and hell no, there is NEVER justification for shooting anyone. In fact I dont think any person on this Earth has the right to end someone elses life. However, I can see how they felt. Maybe thats why Im so into the whole story. Because people put so much effort into putting blame on WHATEVER they could. They blamed the trench coat mafia, which the shooters werent even a part of. They blamed Manson which the shooters scorned. They blamed video games when there are tons of peaceful humans all over that play tons of video games. They blamed the parents for not paying enough attention but thats not fair either. But in the end most people put the blame on those boys and I dont think it all should lay there. Because although I dont think anyone should ever shoot someone else, I dont think they should be given a good reason to either. And yea, maybe their reason wasnt great. Maybe we've all delt with the same treatment to a point. And we've gotten through it for the most part, right? But some people cant. Some people let insults eat away at them until they have no respect at all for their lives or anyone elses. So yea, I sympathize with the shooters. And you know why I feel for them the most? Because at least the victims get their respect in death. The boys got pulled from their yearbook, and all their memorials completely desecrated. And thats WRONG. Because what they did sucked, but no one has the right to judge them in death.

 

i removed the quotation marks..i shouldve re-read that when i posted it. i wasnt trying to imply that they werent truly victims.

 

I love how you say Only

It was 25 too many if thats the case. I have no remorse for the shooters, I only wish they didnt kill themselves so they can rot in jail

 

I think they had to have had a reason for what they did. No one goes off and shoots up a school without something to spark their desire to do so. Do I think what they did was right? Not really, although I can't judge, seeing as how in their situation I might have done the same thing depending on what motives they had for the shooting. I can definitely sympathize more with the shooters than the victims, since I've wanted to do something along the lines of what they did, and may or may not have gone through with it if I had been able to get a hold of the weapons to do so. No I don't have any psychological disorder, and I doubt that they did either. What stemmed my desire, and may have stemmed theirs as well, was pure hatred. The way I was treated sparked my desire to kill a few people. The whole thing about it being the "goth culture", the music they listened to, or the video games they played being the reason for them organizing the shooting is just people wanting a reason for it that they could understand, and speak out against if at all possible. People can campaign to stop Marilyn Manson and violent video games, but can they hold rallies against getting treated like shit and wanting to do something about it? People naturally want something to push the blame on in every situation.

As for the subquestion, no I don't think Cassie Bernall "said yes", I think thats just something to give motivation to Christians who can't understand why a benevolent God would let something like that happen to them.

Also for the record, there were 15 deaths and 24 injuries, so theres no more argument about how many victims there were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

 

What gets me in that quote is not that you have thought about doing somthing to that extent, because I'm sure this thought has crossed many peoples minds. Its following threw with these thoughts that things get bad

But when you say you sympathize more with the shooters, I dont see your logic. Inocent people died because of their choice that they made.

 

Its pretty much only because I thought of doing something of the sort myself that I can even sympathize with the shooters. Generally speaking, I'm not a sympathetic person at all. I can't put myself in another person's shoes unless I have some idea of what they are going through. I'm not a caring person at all, so me trying to sympathize with the people who were killed/injured is basically me thinking, "Ok that sucks for you, not that I have a reason to care."

 

I understand you really. At points, my hate for everything in this world was so great, i just wanted to take an ak47 and put a hundred bullets through everyone i hated. But yeah, they shouldn't have done that. I probably wouldn't feel any sympathy if they killed only the assholes that fucked with them. But they killed everyone they saw. There point was to prove they were "beter" and more powerful than everyone, because they were made to feel like everyone was better than them their whole lives. But, going to school, and shooting unarmed, random kids was fucked up. Just because someone wants to prove a point, that doesn't give them the right to kill innocent people.

 

I see where your coming from, and I read before that you said you basicly sympathize with noone. But I think with this shooting was planned on some historical event that has to do with Hitler. Correct me if I am wrong. But if thats the case these kids were just sick. Its not like they just SNAPPED and grabbed a gun and started blasting rounds. They plotted it, they took the time to plan this out. Took the time to make the bombs, and took the time to plan their routes.

The only part I sympathize with the shooters is there parents. They're parents/gardians have to live shame of cary'ing the same last name as the shooters.

I guess if the shooters werent in controll of the situation I would have some remorse for them. But they were, so my sympathy is with the victim's, friends, and family

Im not much of a sympathic guy either, I wont go cry'ing on anyones shoulder because of this. I mean yea it does suck, and yea shit does happen. But the thread asked wich side, I feel the victims

edit:I was spelling victims wrong, I kept looking at it it didnt look right, I was spelling it victems lol

 

I think that everyone in the victims family and some people in the shooters family. I think that we should think about how the shooters family has to deal with all this. There son/grandson/nephew are in jail for a long long time. I think that would be really sad but you also have to rember they shot some1 but after all they are human. But the victims were just harmless people who were there trying to get an education when there lives were takin. So over all i think it was just one really sad occasion and that everyone should rember it for not only the victims and the victims friends and familys but also for the shooters family who were all hurt by having to watch them get sent to jail and knowing that they will never be able to see any of them again. Also the shooters had to know what they were getting into when they started and even considered doing something like this. Now everyone is in a panic mode when anyone says anything having to do w/ bombs or shootings in or near schools. Also we have to worry about copy cats. But on the good side we now know were security was lacking in schools and how we should handle it and that they should teach the kids/teachers bomb drills incase a gunman or a bomb is in the school. Either way you think about it we are more perpared for the worst.

 

Umm, they killed themselves. So neither of them made it to jail, to the morge but not jail =\. But I get what your trying to say. Not a good situation all around

 

In jail?

 

wow..thanks slave i was wrong i didnt no they died. but thanxs for the correction. ps didnt need to c that pic..lol