Dispute/Order negotiation on McCrackun

I am tired of people framing and trying to threaten and scam and lying. What has the world become?


Scammer's profile link:McCrackun
Explain the service: Chinning for him.
Proof that it's their Skype:
Skype profile ID & conversation pictures:
Proof that the service was not completed: He cancelled order due to faults that weren't mine then threatened to get me banned. Than accussing me.. lol..
Other relevant trade screenshots:





I need a mod's opinion on this. I have spoken to Video already about this. During the chinning order, I dc'd with ring of life but however didn't save me because I was already on low health at the time. Assuming I got killed before the ring activated.. Anyways he said that I "traded" the chins lmao. Complete BULLSHIT. He said I traded the chins because when I died, supposedly he said the salve amulet which was imbued didnt get un-imbued. BUT. I have gathered information and there has been an update and wiki hasn't been updated for that dying anywhere in rs besides un-safe zones such as wildy above 20 allows you to not lose imbued items. Also players who actually play RS can confirm this.

Info on ring of life if your on low health:
The ring of life grants one automatic teleport toLumbridge (Optional teleport to Falador upon completion of Recruitment Drive) if the wearer is under attack and has less than 10% of their Hitpoints remaining. However, the ring is not foolproof, as a player wearing one will still die if they are hit from above 10% of their maximum Hitpoints to zero

If I die in PVM does my equipment lose imbue? • /r/2007scape


Also. I did what I could. I x-logged when I got server disconnection from world. Wasn't my fault on servers end. I ran back asap I didn't even look on the salve amulet. I just tried to run back to get the stuff I lost. I really couldn't do anything about the chins so it's unfair that I would be responsible for all of the chins lost. Which I'd say around 5-6k chins were lost.

I have screenshots that are private that I'd like to show a mod. Add me on skype please live:teamtrustaio

 

Proof it's his skype:

http://tinypic.com/r/xm8wu1/9

Proof of 24mil payment:

http://tinypic.com/r/5zkvq/9

So I reasonably asked him to refund the remaining service value: 6669099gp (6.669mil) [calculated by starting vs ending xp] and the 7500 chins that went missing, as I thought this was reasonable because I paid him to complete the service, not have the chins disappear. He refused.

Proof he was using salve amulet (ei):
http://tinypic.com/r/2yjoqab/9

Contradictory statements about death:

Number 1: he says he ran back to get the items, which would imply that the salve amulet (ei) was dropped. If a salve amulet (ei) is dropped, it should lose it's imbued charge. He also says the ring of life didn't work.
http://tinypic.com/r/339hjdh/9

Number 2:
He says four items were kept? this implies prayer was turned on, and protect item prayer was turned on. However, if prayer was on, and he did indeed disconnect like he says, then protect from melee should have been on because he was chinning, which means he could not have died. he also says "it was a bug or something" that he kept 4 items.
http://tinypic.com/r/2n0j9w/9

Number 3:
showing that void would've been protected, and that the salve ammy (ei) wouldve been dropped, thus losing its imbued charge:
http://tinypic.com/r/rms3ya/9
Although once again, for 4 items to be protected, he would've had to have had prayer on, which was not the case because he didn't have protect from melee on.

Finally, the wiki showing that on drop-death, the amulet will be dropped, and lose it's charge.
http://tinypic.com/r/scwfwh/9

It's for these reasons I find it suspicious, and feel he should refund me for the remaining service + the chins that have gone missing.

 

Anyone who plays RS knows that the update where you pvm for safe scape reasons provided , you get items back on death automatically. and I said not sure on how I had the salve amulet still because I had things equipped to me prior to death. ALSO. As an exaggeration because I was in shock that I died.. I wouldn't steal chins that's ridiculous.. His ring of life and amulet of salve arguements are complete false. It is possible to die with ring of life at low health which I was at. Also you can keep imbued items now. Wiki Is falsely outdated.

If theres any RS Mods who actually play the game. Can provide support on my end on imbueing and ring of life.

I have no problem refunding for the remainder of service even tho he changed pw and all. Just not fair on the chins. I shouldn't be fully responsible for something thats possible to lose. Also unfair on the way he threatened and made assumptions when clearly I died. I wouldn't scam chins thats retarded.

Here's the screenshot after I died and went back to recover everything.




Whats funny is that I even told Bas about it when I died before I told McCrackun.. Because I am honest about it. I died but it wasn't my fault and I couldn't do anything about it. I did what I could.

 

My tinypic links were working after I posted that reply, now they seem to be whitespace? How do I put my screenshots directly in a reply like his?

 

1 gif to solve it all

You keep untradables. You lose untradeables except that ones that are worth the most.
Hence why I lost the stamina.

@Trustmybet
@McCrackun

Gyazo - 9f3c381bbaf0b6a9d3968be81911e000.gif

 

Ok, so Trustmybet has slandered me right from the get go by calling me a scammer and I am not attempting any scam. I want to clarify, I am not asking for more than I paid. I am not asking for a full refund. I am asking for the 6.669mil refund, which is calculable because we agreed to pay 7gp/xp (I can get a screenshot on this number), and I paid him 24mil, and 952728 xp remains to be completed by the service.

I started at level 88: 4,385,776xp. 24mil at 7gp/xp yields 3,428,571xp.
so final xp at end of contract: 4385776+3428571= 7814347.

Difference in xp = final xp - current xp
Difference in xp = 7814347 - 6861619
Difference in xp = 952728

At 7gp/xp: 952728*7 = 6669096; or 6.669mil.

Now, he states in his first post in this thread: "Proof that the service was not completed: He cancelled order due to faults that weren't mine"
As highlighted in this screenshot:
http://tinypic.com/r/2vuf2a8/9

I am pretty sure losing 7500 chinchompas is classified as a fault that is indeed his. I paid him for the service, and gave him the supplies to complete the service. The supplies have disappeared, and now he can not complete the service. With my prayer level, a trip should last about 1200-1400 chins, and as such I can not logically see him actually bringing the entire stack of chins. Why risk the entire stack of chins upon death, when you could just restock chins while simultaneously restocking prayer potions? It's common practice to not bring the entire stack of chins; and every chinning guide even recommends the reader to not bring the entire stack of chins, so I really don't believe he actually went chinning with the entire stack. Nonetheless, either extreme carelessness was applied, or he stole the chinchompas.

Now, on the topic of the chinchompas:
"I swear it was a bug or something, cuz when i dc'd and xlogged i logged back in and had a few items equipped, and void in invent" as seen in this screenshot:
http://tinypic.com/r/2heakhs/9
His story is full of contradictions which serve only to show he is not telling the truth. If he were to die, why would he log back in and see "a few items equipped" BUT "void in invent"? On death, all items should be unequipped and placed in the inventory, as the gif Congs posted shows. I think we can all agree, the likelihood of a bug occurring that left some items equipped on death, while placing other items in the inventory, is extremely low.

I believe he should have to refund me for the uncompleted service, as well as the missing chinchompas. It is unacceptable for him to write a story full of contradictions claiming that he died and lost the entire stack of chins (with some items remaining equipped and some items going in the inventory) - which even if he did, is complete and utter carelessness as well as a deviation from proper chinning form. No one chins while simultaneously risking the entire stack.

 

Like I said, I was so focused on getting back to get all the stuff lost on death. There may have been exaggerations. I wouldn't scam this amount. That's pure retarded and I screenshotted the bank on my account and history of ge awhile ago Lol. Don't own chins nor sold any ever. I wouldn't scam chins. And I did however bring the stack of chins. I'm not sure on the amount total.

I'd rather not argue as this will continue to go on forever as YOU already failed by accussing me through the Salve amulet imbued. Nice try and nice fail framer.. I'll have a mod come up with a decision/ask a question.

 

Again, you're attempting to slander me, but now by calling me a framer. I can't frame you for anything. The only two things that matter have been proven, everything else is irrelevant:

1. "5-6K Chinchompas" (7500) are gone because of him, how it happened can't be proven but the fact remains that they were taken or lost. Once again, no reasonable person actually takes the risk of carrying the whole stack of chins.

2. He did not complete the service as described and agreed upon. Therefore in being responsible to a customer (as his vouches indicate) he has completely failed to provide the service. Furthermore, in refusing to take responsibility, he is trying to excuse himself for the disappearance of the chinchompas. That isn't how the world works. We made a deal and I am coming out with less money and less XP than was agreed upon and THAT is quite literally a scam as well as bad business. I wouldn't be complaining, nor would I be asking for a refund, if the service had been fulfilled as described in our contract.

I think that the matter is pretty cut and dry.

 

I would have completed the service. You changed the password and did not negotiate with me on the chins instead accussed me of stealing. I couldn't finish the order because you changed the password without informing me in the first place and refused to work out the situation. I didn't agree to not finish the service lol. That's ON YOU.

 

Of course I am going to change my password when 7500 chins go missing; and no one who provides a chinchompa service actually risks the entire stack of chins. Some things don't add up here.

I am going to leave it to the mods from here.

 

So, since I don't play RS, correct me if I'm wrong.

McCrackun wants compensation, the amount being 6.669m and the value of '7500' chins lost? He says he is entitled to that compensation because Trustmybet died during the order, and on his death lost '7500' chins, and so McCrackun terminated the order, leaving 6.669m, the value of the exp remaining on the order?

Is that about right?

Did McCrackun supply the chins for Trustmybet to use in order to complete the whole service?

If so, given that all the chins were lost due to the server dc, could Trustmybet still complete the order? [ignore the fact that McCrackun changed the pw]

Also, this 'server dc', was it the whole RS server that dced, or was it client side, and Trustmybet's internet that temporarily dc'd?

 

Yes, 6.669m is the value of xp remaining on the order.

Yes, I supplied the chins for the whole service for him to use.

No, since the chins were lost, Trustmybet could not complete the order without buying more chins.

Finally, he has not uploaded any evidence, as to what type of dc it was.

Yes, I am hoping to get compensation for the remaining xp (6.669mil) and the 7500 chins that were lost, as I stated above: I believe this is fair because we made a deal, and I am coming out of it with both less xp, and less money, than I should be.

 

Wasn't my internet. I could still skype and talk thats why I told others about the dc when it happened and was in shocked when it happened. I couldn't finish the order due to me dying for reasons which I couldn't do anything about. I don't have screenshots because first of all, I'm trying to drink prayer pot to survive here and do the best I could to save myself. I wouldn't die on purpose lol. Don't have time to screenshot that. German world w359 got knocked to 100 people assuming it was a server dc for german worlds or rs itself. And lastly, WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING 7500 CHINS FROM?! You and I don't even know the right amount and you're just shouting out a number lol.
Like I said, I'm fine on refunding the rest left, just would be complete bullshit if I have to refund for all the chins(not sure on amount) which was lost for reasons that wasn't my fault and had control of.
This is the last screenshot I took which was after I ran back to get the stuff

 

Okay I found a screenshot that can finally resolve this as I'm not a scammer like I said and honest on everything.





This was everything before I started the run. So yes I did bring 9.9k which I am stupid for but servers has had NO issues the other times I was chinning so I just pulled out the rest for quicker banking really. Of throwing about 1.2k/hr. After calculations roughly 7119 chins were lost due to server dc.

 

@Trustmybet What about this one:
Could you still complete the order after the DC without needing to be supplied more Chins?

I need you to confirm or deny this.

 

@McCrackun

What do you think is a reasonable number of Chins to carry per run?
What makes you arrive at that number?

 

> 15 years of rs experience;
A normal chin run lasts around 1-2 hours depending on if you're prayer flicking etc.
You'd use around 1750-2250 chins in that time frame depending on;

Prayer level
How often you reposition for a better spot
Prayer flicking

So there's no way it'd be more then that amount.

 

Input from another trainer

3k chins is the maximum you need per run although he's claiming to of used 2781 chins on half an invent of prayer pots... I would be interested to know the XP gained from those 2781 chins before you died.

Even if Trustmybet claims he shouldn't be responsible fpr the loss on death he is the only one who can be responsible for taking 6900 extra chins and losing them so at left the following should be refunded

6900 chins that should not of been taken
6.669m left of the order to refund

 

Spoiler

Math:
Client has 49 prayer.
@Trust takes 80 prayer doses (5*4*4)
Best case scenerio for prayer drain:
He's only using protect melee. Which drains with a +3 prayer bonus at a rate of 18.18 prayer points/minute.
A prayer potions gives 19 prayer points;
therefor 80*19+49 (prayer points during the entire session) = 1569
1569/18.18 = 86 minutes

Chins have an attack speed of 2.4 seconds/throw
with every prayer potion he had he would have had 5178 seconds of chinning if ONLY using protect melee (which is the longest time)
He would have used 2157,59 chins in total if he never stopped not attack, keep in mind that he probably flicked eagle eye a little or left it on, my estimate is more accurate then yours. (no offense just trying to be fair.)

^ this estimate is backed up by math.

Therefor
7650-7900 chins should not have been taken
& 6.669m should be refunded

sources;
Red chinchompa
Salve amulet(ei)
Prayer Drain Rate - RuneScape Guide - RuneHQ

 

Yes but in his previous post after HIS calculations he said he lost 7119 from 9910 meaning he is claiming he used 2791 chins before dying which is why i said it would be interesting to see the xp gained from that trip. There to many unanswered questions so I just worked on the simple maths that no one should need to take any more than 3k chins that way no one can argue as Trustmybet admitted himself he shouldn't of took them in a previous post.

Last time i'm posting don't want infracting for spam was just trying to input a resolution for this.