Religion holding modern society together.

Honestly, that's something I have been thinking about for a while.

My reasoning is that if we follow the generally accepted path of what is "right"and "wrong", then that gives humanity in general the best chance of survival.

As for other things, such as eliminating weak, sickly people being morally wrong, I feel that humans want to survive in the present, without abstract thoughts towards the future.

 

Well, killing each other for pleasure would seem quite savage and savagery is an abomination of a life style making killing someone a "wrong" thing to do.

 

Religion, in older days, kept communities together. Today however, it is a hindrance. Religion hiders international trade, international peace, as well as
well-being.

Back in the older days, religion was a fine thing. When the farthest people you traded with were on the edge of your village, and people in said village generally believed the same thing, this worked well. However in modern days, as we trade and communicate with people from across the world, peoples' beliefs and standings create differences, and more often than not wars.

 

Hmmmmm.....I can see both sides of this argument..... and i am in the grayish nuetral area....

Look at the gladiators of Rome.... Murdering was a daily thing for them....The emporer made a spectecal of this...The Colluseum (Or however you spell it) was made for this purpose

 

Recently on the news there was some sort of argument on the news about keeping the 10 commandment statue in the white house.

They refused to let it go ,woot

 

Thats the White House though. Its nobodies business but the President's what he keeps in there.

 

killing is bad but in the usa we like to act like real ppl an not run around killing each other yea there are some crazy ppl in the usa but there every where an there will never be ne way to stop how ppl act

 

I believe the topic was whether our government (US) was based on religious principles and whether religion holds society as a whole together, not just whether killing is bad.

 

The basic principles of the United Stated government was based on the founding fathers' religons. edit: but these days they're are so many atheists that religon is being prohibited in the public just because of the minority of non-believers.

 

I agree with you right there Shredder...I think that Religion and Government USED to be intertwined and yes,true it is built into the United States Constitution. But things are changing these days, with cultures diversifying and coming into contact with one another more than ever, countries populations are getting to be mixed. And that is one of the reasons that the government is starting to be a little more laid back about the interaction between Government and Religion. But then again....Look at the United States' image to the world...DESPITE what their enemies think of them, people see it as a country of endless possibility and chances for them to start over again..With freedom of speech and religion being the most noticed, people travel there and start families. Now,if you were a government official, say the President, would you go and announce on National Television that you will be banning religious ornaments? Would you stop people from wearing turbans or yamikahs in public? If you would, that would be like saying, LOOK OVER HERE WORLD, THE UNITED STATES CAN'T EVEN HOLD UP TO IT'S OWN VALUES! That would not be a good message to send...and what I am trying to get to is that when you try to intertwine Government and Religion, it's not a good mix...It just goes against everything that the United States' founding fathers tried to change by moving away from England and starting a new country back in the revolutionary days. I DO NOT think that religion is holding modern society together today..in fact, I think it is being mixed in with governments around the globe, and look around...People look at the United States and say to themselves, "They are a disgrace.." Because their government doesn't seem to have Religious values built into it...Religion is important to Billions of people everywhere..but room has to be made for tolerance between each.

 

A lot of the founding father's were Secularists and Deists.

 

What are Secularists and Deists? Please excuse my lack of knowledge on others' religons.

 

first off stop using computer slang every other word and learn to use the period (.) Also learn the difference between "there," "their," and "they're." also here is how to stop making serial killers. beat your kids when they mutilate animals, stop beating your kids when they begin to bleed, and dagnose them at an early age for APD, Psychopathy in primary and secondary forms. then there won't be as many rapists, serial killers, and bullies.

 

Dude, in alot of cases, violence doesn't help much.

 

I don't really know how violence got tied into this topic but...I disagree Thikr, violence doesn't help at all...In fact, a lot of criminals out there do what they do because they were beaten as a child or abused in one way or another...Psychology helps though, although it doesn't make the scars go away inside..

 

Oh yeah, neglect can also make a child grow up to be a criminal.

 

Well NO SHIT we have a winner of the captain obvious award.

 

Now i know why dpunk is going to be a criminal,

and lets try and stay on topic here. PLEASE..

 

As posted before by me in the thread "Religion causes seperation, not happiness"

Also...the 10 commandments definitely are not the first form of writting on what is and is not moral.

 

fundermentally the 10 commandments are a collection of no-brainers, but even then a lot of them are just "the jelouse god" points of order.

"do not kill" - no brainer
"do not steal" - no brainer
"do not commit adultry" - stops people going and killing
"do not covert" - stops greed, thus stealing and killing
"do not lie" - honesty is a total no brainer

so the theists came up with some rules that the non-theists also came up with, whoopy do. Maybe this suggests that moral judgement is inate and not only available to the theists. In fact a non-theist believeing in moral judgement can carry more weight as they are doing it cause they think they should, rather than the theist who just thinks that if they dont god will punish them for it.

as for seperating church and state - i think its done to avoid the jelous god rules of the ten commandments and to keep the zelots out.