Virgin Birth

Virgin Birth



If Jesus were really born of a virgin, by the Holy Spirit, everybody in such a small community would have known this and would have talked about it for the first thirty years. But this was not the case. Everybody knew that Jesus was the son of Joseph and not born from the Holy Spirit by a virgin:



(Jn 6:42) and they said, ‘Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?



For the first thirty years, the Jews knew that this man was born from Mary and Joseph. Even his own disciples knew that Joseph was his father and that he was from Nazareth (hence not from Bethlehem):



(Jn 1:45) Philip found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the one whom Moses wrote about in the Law, and also the prophets, Jesus son of Joseph, from Nazareth."



At the beginning, even his own disciples knew that he was the son of Joseph and from Nazareth. It was not until later when Jesus convinced his stupid disciples that those were true miracles that he was able to brainwash them with his virgin birth.



The ‘virginity’ story shocked the Jews when he was already thirty! Even his own brothers did not believe that their mother was a virgin nor believed his fake miracles:



(Jn 7:3-5) Jesus' brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4 No one works in secret if he wants to become a public figure. If you do these things manifest yourself to the world." 5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.



Who would have known him more than his own brothers? His brothers knew him and knew their mother long enough to believe him or not. If he were really born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit, they would have believed him and believed his miracles. At least they would have believed the Holy Spirit, but still they didn’t believe him nor believed his Holy Spirit.



The Rabbis weren’t able to verify her virginity since she had already given birth to seven other ‘earthly conceived’ brothers (number of angel brothers unknown). Since the Rabbis were only able to ask his earthly brothers, and since they had no reason not to believe them, the Rabbis had no choice but to discard the ‘virginity’ story.



If his own brothers did not believe him, why should we? But We are really fortunate to have 'John' as a witness so that we know how Jesus established his fake divinity.


As for his birth was really in Bethlehem or not, those who knew Jesus and his parents confirmed that he was born in Galilee and not in Bethlehem:



(Jn 7:41-43) Others said, "He is the Messiah." Still others asked, "How can the Messiah come from Galilee? Does not the Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David's family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?" Thus the people were divided because of Jesus.



So the people knew that Jesus was from Galilee. Even worse, Jesus himself admits that their knowledge about him is correct:



(Jn 7:27-28) But we know where this man is from; when the Messiah comes, no one will know where he is from." Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, "Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from..."



The people knew for certain that he was not from Bethlehem but that he was from Galilee. Jesus even admitted that their knowledge about him is true.



Also the priests were certain that he came form Galilee:



(Jn 7:52) They replied, "Are you from Galilee, too? Look into it, and you will find that a prophet does not come out of Galilee."



Everybody knew for sure that Jesus came from Galilee, and not from Bethlehem. Jesus conceded to this and did not deny it. But what is most pathetic, is that even Saul, the founder of Christianity, never even mentioned in the NT the virgin birth, birth in Bethlehem, nor ever acknowledged Jesus do a single miracle.



Centuries before Jesus: According to Hindu literature, Krishna, the eighth incarnation of the god Vishnu, was born to the virgin Devaki in fulfillment of prophecy and was visited by wise men who had been guided to him by a star. Angels also announced the birth to herdsmen in the nearby countryside. When King Kansa heard about the miraculous birth of this child, he sent men to "kill all the infants in the neighboring places," but a "heavenly voice" whispered to the foster father of Krishna (who, incidentally, was a carpenter) and warned him to take the child and flee across the Jumna river... In this Hindu legend, we can recognize many parallels to the infancy of Jesus other than the virgin birth element.


Because of this I don't know what to believe.

 

Believe in reason.

 

Copy and Paste

Maybe a link would be better.

 

Maybe they had In-Vitro fertilization.

Or a turkey baster.

 

shin = king of lulz

 

Eh I didnt bother even reading it sorry, but if the bible said he was born from a virgin, it is true.

 

Technically Jesus was not prophecized to be born of a virgin. The Hewbrew word used to describe the woman he would be born by was almah, which means "young woman", not "virgin". The specific Hebrew word for "virgin" is bethulah. Almah has no reference to virginity, it means a woman of marriageable age, or married. There is no tradition of virgin birth in Jewish myth, while it is prevalent in Greek myth. I would say that the writer of the Gospel that tells of virgin birth, (Mark I'm guessing, since most of the other Gospels were based off of it, if not then probably John) either threw that in there to make it more interesting, or just mistranslated it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Birth

 

Shinoda you really have that many post...?

 

You my friend,...I'll refrain from saying anything. But you know what you are.

 

Joseph and Mary got married so wouldent that make Jesus Josephs son even if it wasent Joseph that got mary pregnant.

 

All pain and no fun is a horrible thing >.>

 

Are you kidding me? You don't know what to believe because of this? First of all, this obviously came from the mouth of a Jew throwing a desperation fairytale in the air as an attempt to rescue his dying religion. Second, 90% of this entire thing is bullshit. There's no proof, facts, or evidence that Jesus had 7 brothers, was born in Galilee, blah blah blah. This is just a lame attempt at rescuing a once religious ethnicity that has gradually turned into an ethnicity based solely around their past traditions and culture.

 

I agree with RiP CiTy... If you think this is going to change peoples mind about there religion well I guess you must be wrong... I have experienced the holy spirit and the mircles of God and I know he is real.

 

Thanks RiP CiTy!!!

You opened my eyes on this ordeal! This make since perfectly. The Jews/Israel is making up this bullshit..to save themselves.

Here is the link to this bitch ass site http://www.geocities.com/logic_faith/miracles.htm

 

Who believes Jesus had 7 brothers? I know Catholics don't. He was born in Bethlehem. And how was Judaism dieing? Just because you use big words it dosent mean they have to make sense.

 

Get a life

 

Theres also no proof that Jesus ever existed in the first place, so you can't really discredit those claims either.

 

dpunk.

If you deny that a man known as Jesus existed and was crucified around 2000 years ago, then you're an utter fool. No-one disputes that Jesus existed. People dispute wheter or not he did what the Bible claims he did.

The reason people called him 'Jesus of Nazareth' is pretty simple. Nazareth WAS his hometown. He was born in Bethlehem, yes, but that's only because Mary and Joseph had to go there because of some Roman census (yes, there is historicle evidence that this happened). Also, do you think people would've beleived Mary and Joseph if they said it was a virgin birth? It's likely that people didn't beleive them (remember, sex before marriage could be punished with death back then) and thought they were lying to cover their tracks.

Also, Jesus was the firstborn of Mary and Joseph (so there were no other brothers of Jesus that could say 'she wasn't a virgin!').

Now, saying that it's all false because they call Jesus 'the son of Joseph' is rubbish. Joseph may not have been the biological father of Jesus, but he was married to Jesus' mother and he raised Jesus and Jesus learned his family trade.

Sounds like a son to me.

BTW, 'Saul' was not the found of Christianity. Who told you this rubbish? Jesus himeself was the found of Christianity. You could also say that his apostles were the founders of Christianity. Saul started out by KILLING Christians. He was later converted (and changed his name to Paul).

And you know why so many people didn't beleive Jesus? Most of the Jews imagined the Messiah as an almight king who would free them from the Romans and establish Israel as a nation once more.

Keep in mind that the Roman empire (and pretty much everyone else) tried to destroy the church for the first few hundred years after Jesus died. It's a miracle in itself that the church survived. This is what makes theories like the one in The DaVinci Code so stupid.

Yay... long post...

 

This Makes me laugh anytime someone speaks of jesus because of that, How could 'Mary' the 'Holy' Mother have had a kid if she was a virgin its Scientifically Impossible
Thats like me Screwing a Girl getting her pregnant Telling EVERYONE she was touched by an angel and is still a virgin Sad Is What It IS.

 

yep..