Trumps proposal for Temp Muslim Ban

50+ years is not temporary. If it extends past a presidential term (4 years), it wouldn't be temporary, and I wouldn't expect it to be longer than a year.

 

"A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." would imply the ban would persist as necessary if the country's representatives confirmed Muslims were a threat. There is no timeframe listed, it is purposefully vague and indefinite.

 

Except it's Trump's proposal. Let's say it goes on for his full length term if he were to become President, there is good if not inevitable chance that the next President, democrat or republican would discontinue the project. If you think something that is temporary would last for over half a century, then you're delusional.

 

I must be delusional to think that the government keeps up 50 year bans like they did with the embargo of Cuba. Must be my delusion setting in, gotta take my meds.

 

You may have Dyslexia because the focus was on the word "temporary".

 

Cuban embargo was temporary. How hard is it to admit you are wrong? Look at the sort of bluffs you will go to and how far you will move the goalposts, all the way to "8 year ban is possible but there's NO WAY the government would keep imposing a regulation for 50 years! DELUSION!!! DYSLEXIA!!!!"

 

You're assuming that Trump's proposal would turn into a permanent one, this isn't the argument.

 

It's indefinite.

 

Temporary and indefinite aren't synonymous.

 

I wouldn't be correcting you if they were synonyms.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration - The word temporary does not appear. The ban is indefinite.

 

I'm getting tired of schooling you.

Indefinite - lasting for an unknown or unstated length of time

The time it lasts for is known, therefore making it definite and temporary.

 

How do you even test if someone is Muslim if I may ask? From what I can see in the comments people are equating being Muslim to being of Middle Eastern descent. Though it is true a large majority are, what about those who aren't? I agree we shouldn't accept refugees seeing the effects its had on EU nations, but banning anyone who is Muslim, the largest religion in the world, would be near impossible. It was much easier to ban Japanese travel to the U.S. in the 1940s since you can look at someone and tell if they're Asian, plus Japan had a mere population of 73 million in 1940, while there is over 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet. There are so many factors that needed to be taken into consideration before a temporary ban could be implemented, starting with what I stated above, which isn't even the beginning of the political and economic issues it would cause between the U.S. and middle eastern countries.

 

"until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." is not known, it's indefinite. You are categorically wrong.

 

The proposal lasting until our country's representative can figure out what is going on is "unknown"? Not sure if you're serious.

 

Obviously yes. "Figure out what is going on" isn't a measurable term. It's not a ban of Muslim immigration for 5 years, it's not a ban of Muslim immigration until the national debt goes back below $15 trillion, it is based on no measurement whatsoever.

So yes, it is strictly unknown.

I've beaten this dead horse long enough, and successfully proven my argument all the way down to the very word choice used in Trump's proposal.

 

The condition is known, that's why it's temporary. Something that is temporary cannot be indefinite.

Show anyone the last 4-5 pages of this thread and ask if you've won this argument. You've been deflecting, attempting to change subjects, reiterating refuted arguments, and pulling crap out of your ass for the last 5 pages.

 

Trump knows how to tame down extremism but he knows his propositions won't appeal to the Conservatives thus makes outrageous statements to appeal to the crazies. Trump is just playing it stupid, or is he?

 

Donald Trump is basically running Trump: The Campaign. Although candidates are generally vague on what their plan/platform is, Trump has taken it to the next level, selling you a deal - "Make America Great Again" instead of actual policies. Since Trump was a Democrat for much of his life, his political opinions aren't conservative, and he doesn't appear very religious. He has expressed interest in a higher minimum wage, wants to fight to keep social security, wants universally mandated healthcare, former weapons ban, former pro abortion.

Trump doesn't need the conservative platform to stand on - Trump is selling what he sells best: Himself. All he has to do is get on stage and shit-talk his opponents, which are easy targets since they have spent their lives in politics.

 

41+ people killed in Islamic attack in Instanbul today.

41 killed in suicide attack at Istanbul airport

Islam's death toll continues to climb past 100 million.

 

Sorry to intrude but in terms of proposal it's a quantitative deliverable that would essentially justify it being called temporary. In this case how people quantify "no longer a threat" is open to interpretation and honestly it is unknown and highly dependent on the views of the country going forward. I'm not supporting it just interjecting my opinion it terms of what engineering proposals use.