Why i belive in a higher power....

Correct, not 100% though.
Proof: Something that can be measured, reproduced, and done over, and over, and over again. We can prove that something will hit the ground if we drop it. So when you say nothing can be proved, you are wrong. But creation/evolution can't be proved. We can't replicate anything god does....and we can't start the earth over.

If you saw this present sentence spelled out among the thousands of lines of Scrabble-letters spread out on the parking lot, could you prove mathematically beyond any reasonable doubt that the message did not get there by any random process of ordering by chance? This proposes a clear-cut and conclusive way to do so. ---If you thus rule out a random ordering of the letter-pieces, then you would virtually know that this sentence must have come from an intelligence. --How could you prove it beyond any reasonable doubt? ...Such a proof is accomplished by probability analysis.

Ok, so what that is...

In the instance of the one-letter word, the chance that someone would come up with that one specific word, "A," by random letter-selection (with each letter equally likely to be chosen), is one chance out of 26, because there are 26 letters in the alphabet.
If we take one specific two-letter word (such as "by"), the chance someone could randomly choose those two letters together in the correct sequence (with each letter equally likely to be chosen), is the product of the two selections, ...so the chance of getting a specific two-letter word would be one chance out 26x26 ---which equals one chance out of 676.
In like manner, the chance of randomly drawing one specific three-letter-word (such as "the"), would be one chance out of 26x26x26 ---which equals one chance out of 1756.

It is still very easy to conceive that the three-letter word could be randomly chosen in short order. --But the problem is: A three-letter word does not communicate much at all, and isn't a significant amount of information.

Going quite a bit further, however, if the level of complexity in a string of information is high enough (such as in this present sentence), then we can make a virtually air-tight case that this string of information could not have arisen (in any reasonable probability) by a random selection of letters, spaces and punctuations ---therefore, we would have a virtual "proof" that this information-set could not conceivably have arisen by random chance selections, but must have originated from an intelligence.

But how much information is necessary to solidly conclude that random selection is no longer reasonable, and intelligent selection is necessary?

As stated in a book i have heard of, called.."Probabilities and Life", by Emile Borel. He explains that any occurrence with a chance of happening that is less than one chance out of 10 to the 50th power, is an occurrence with such a slim a probability that is statistically considered to be zero. (10 to the 50th power is the number 1 with 50 zeros after it, and it is spoken: "10 to the 50th power"). Borel's appraisal seems fairly reasonable, when you consider that 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 is about the number of atoms which make up the planet earth.

However, for the purposes of what i'm saying, Borel's criterion is merely a starting point, because it is much too small for what we are doing here, considering the size and age of the cosmos. Thus, we will set a much tougher and ultimate standard, which we will call our "Cosmic Limit" Law of Chance. -k let me establish that limit in the following way:

* Since there are 10 to the 85th power sub-atomic particles in the known physical cosmos, and
* Since there are a maximum of 10 to the 20th power interactions (oscillations/cycles) per second between any two of those sub-atomic particles, and
* Since there are 10 to the 17th power seconds in the supposed age of the cosmos (15 bill. yrs),

. . . if we multiply the above three numbers out, we get the number 10 to the 121th power. ----So, that equals the total number of sub-atomic interactions possible since the beginning of the universe (at the "Big Bang").

Yep, it happened.

 

Nothing can be proven 100%. You cannot say for certain that an object will fall if you let go of it.

Yet a sentence and life are different. As I have mentioned, studies in the area of chaos theory and self-organization have offered reasonable arguments as to why life is so complex. Complex systems arise from simple rules, as can be observed in the case of the termite.

If we imagine there to be infinite universes, it is apparent that we would appear in the only one capable of sustaining life. SOME of these universes must meet the odds, and it's only chance that ours did.

I agree, global warming is a threat to humanity.

However, the Earth will survive this. Let us not assume that we are powerful enough to destroy the entire Earth. Even if we nuked every square inch of the planet, after a time, the radiation would subside to allow life to begin to flourish again.

Yes, I do. It's logical.

 

meh i believe in the sciences

 

Maybe not, but it has never failed us so far.

Yes, they are different. Life is so much more complex. Pretend reading this whole thread, everything we have posted....x100. That's about as complicated as one cell. You can't imagine all the letters and the vast amount of thought and process that goes into every sentence. Even if there were a BILLION different universes, each with all the letters needed for this thread falling down and landing at "random" places.....the chances of it all coming together correctly is slim times 1000 to nothing.

Infinite universes...random chances and reactions i suppose?

True, but i think the chaos theory is more of a theologian's question. Chaos theory states.....chaos>order. It may be true for somethings, but looking at the earth....I'm not nearly convinced. Maybe it is true. Maybe the creation of a higher power?

I ask one question.
Why the need for 10 million + organisms?
Why didn't that cell just turn into ONE organism..?

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Anyone?
I'm gona make a youtube video about this probably.

 

i support you 100% slaveofthebeast

 

Thank you very much

 

Then where did the higher power come from?

 

That's a question that can be asked for both sides.
Where did the sub-atomic particles that scientifically expanded into the universe come from?

I'm sure you, or no scientist, or anyone can answerer that.

Neither can i explain where a god/power came from.

 

So you're essentially saying that you believe that a massive, all powerful, creative, law-defying object (God) just popped into existence rather than that a tiny, tiny, tiny particle popped into existence?

 

Actually, most people that beleive in God beleive that He is outside of time (meaning He has no beginning or end).

 

I support the big bang theory.
http://library.thinkquest.org/19012/begin.htm

 

Let's put it this way.
There are dimensions, such as space, time, etc.
Let's just say, if you draw a picture. Everything in that picture is on a flat plane. No depth, no hight. We, humans, live in a world where we are have hight, depth, and width (space to all sides of us). We are also slaves to time, another dimension. Just like things on paper are not controlled by hight, god is not under the control of time...

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmwu_WZ4nc should explain it alot better than i can.
We can't see what we don't know...other dimensions...
Just watch the video.

 

there is no proof that "dimensions" exist.

read this:
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9404/bigbang.html

if your not willing to read that then i doubt anyone will take into mind your thoughts if your not willing to read the opposing sides theories.

 

Correct. There's no proof that dimensions exist. There's also no proof that the big bang happened. They're both theories.

 

Hmm...this is from the article you suggested me to read. I will in fact read it, as i am completely open to all sides of religion/science.

Stephen Hawking has said, in his writings, "the actual point of creation lies outside the scope of presently known laws of physics," and a less well-known but very distinguished cosmologist, Professor Alan Guth from MIT, says the "instant of creation remains unexplained."

I want to quote from a book that I don't recommend. It is by a brilliant physicist, Leon Lederman, a Nobel Prize winner. It is called The God Particle and although the title sounds very appealing, the good information is all in the first paragraph. The rest of it is just a case for the building of the SSC, the Super Conducting-Super Collider, which we now know is not going to be built. Therefore the book is a bit of a Rip Van-Winkle sort of experience! But the first paragraph is wonderful; it's a great summary of what I have said so far:

In the very beginning, there was a void, a curious form of vacuum, a nothingness containing no space, no time, no matter, no light, no sound. Yet the laws of nature were in place and this curious vacuum held potential. A story logically begins at the beginning, but this story is about the universe and unfortunately there are no data for the very beginnings--none, zero. We don't know anything about the universe until it reaches the mature age of a billion of a trillionth of a second. That is, some very short time after creation in the big bang. When you read or hear anything about the birth of the universe, someone is making it up--we are in the realm of philosophy. Only God knows what happened at the very beginning.
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This is all very, very complicated. This has been a hard topic for me, 14, to argue about. I'm still going to keep trying...
I do not know where the fabric of universe came from. A proven law is.....from nothing will nothing come. All of the greatest minds of science can not explain it...and i certainly can't. All i believe is the earth was there...since the beginning of time. I believe there is a god, i believe evolution on a massive scale is false. I believe god is in the 4th dimension, a.k.a time. That is the only thing that makes since to me. With no time to bound god, he could create the universe, and at any "time" it could come into place. I've tried my best to present evidence. I hope i've helped someone.

 

man i dont get this what is this asll about in here?

 

I go with how the hell did the greater power get there.
Your saying boom the planets appeared. And yu belive a greater power magicly spawned?

I have NO clue what to belive...but they both dont make much sense to me.

 

Well there was an explosion, stars explode all the time and that way new galaxies/planets are formed.
The Earth was created that way.
Option 1.

 

What?