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Xier0 · Feb 18, 2016

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Sythe said: ↑

Relativist fallacy
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Ghast said: ↑

Morality is not objective.
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Forum: Something For All
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Posted by: Ghast
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Xier0 said:

Yes. Muhammad was the only person who was exempt from his own commands. The federal gov't exempts itself from following their own laws or constitution either. The laws are universal to everyone but the lawmakers.
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Firstly, you didn't answer whether believing in the boogeyman would be considered a religion. By your definition it would be, however it logically doesn't make sense. The plug of Sythe's comment doesn't support your argument either. He doesn't say what a religion is, only what a religion accepts.

The laws aren't universal, and need to be enforced by someone to actually consider it law, which some Muslim countries do.

The legal systems of Muslim countries are grouped into 3 classes.

1. Classical sharia systems - Where sharia plays a dominant role in the legal system
2. Secular systems - Where sharia plays no role in the legal system
3. Mixed systems - Where sharia is common, but plays no dominant role in the legal system

To say sharia is universal under these conditions is illogical. Turkey, Malaysia, and the United Arab Emirates are secular countries that do not conform to sharia, despite being Muslim. Then you have non-muslim countries which do not conform to sharia at all, but hold Muslim residents. You'd have to define "applied" because the definition of it is to put to practical use as opposed to being theoretical, which doesn't support what you're saying.

Xier0 said:

The fixed principle is that Muhammad is a prophet who speaks for god.
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Okay.

Xier0 said:

Islamic law is applied universally, to everyone except Muhammad.
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Already disproved it being "applied" universally.

Xier0 said:

None of the 300 other prophets you mentioned authored the Quran or Hadith. Muhammad's revelations are considered the final ones and outstrip the authority of all the others.
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If Muhammad was the author of the Quran, which is questionable considering he could not read or write, why are there multiple verses which discredit his character?

Quran 66:1 said:

O Prophet! Why do you prohibit [yourself from] what God has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And God is Forgiving and Merciful.
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Quran 33:43 said:

…while you concealed within yourself that which God is to disclose and you feared the people, while God has more right that you fear Him..
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Quran 9:113 said:

It is not for the Prophet and those who have believed to ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they were relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are companions of Hellfire.
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Quran 80:8-11 said:

But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge] while he fears [God], from him you are distracted. No! Indeed, they [these verses] are a reminder.
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The fact that the Quran, on various occasions, reprimands the Prophet in certain issues in which he had made in incorrect judgment is in itself a proof that it was not authored by him. How can he have the knowledge of all the science, astronomy, oceanography, etc that is contained in the Quran if he could not read or write?

Xier0 said:

Traditionally, non-muslims follow Muslim law so Muslims won't crucify or behead them.
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Sharia is interpreted through the Quran and the Quran clearly says that no religion, even Islam is allowed to be forced on someone who does not believe it. Therefore if any Muslim said that they believe non-Muslims should have to follow Sharia, then they are not following it themselves.
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Xier0 said:

Slavery is immoral. That's objective, not an opinion.
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Saying slavery is immoral is an opinion, learn the difference. Morality is not objective.

Karlrais said:

I couldn't care less if 1 unicorn told it to another unicorn so please leave that sort of bs out, it's as if you don't want to be taken seriously.
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What are you referring to?

Karlrais said:

The problem is that majority of muslims believe that sharia is the word of god and it must be followed word by word, the minority thinks it's man made and influenced by islam(making it less important I guess). The MAJORITY of muslims think that islam law is a part of islam. Are you saying that the majority of muslims are wrong and and don't understand islam? Or are both right? Or wtf honestly? To me your words seem like wishful thinking and the reality is a different story.
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I'm getting this information by Muslim scholars of Islam, not random believers. There are many unbiblical statements that many Christians believe and follow, does it mean it's true? No.

Stop with the appeal to popularity, it's a weak fallacy.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

Karlrais said:

And even if the majority are wrong then this doesn't mean that they will not try to force it on everyone, because for them it's a MUST DO.
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You need to proofread your comments. You're saying here that they don't try to enforce it on everyone.

The Quran teaches that religion must not be a matter of the state. Shariah is a personal relationship with God. Prophet Muhammad, even as the de facto ruler of Arabia, wrote the Charter of Medina in which Muslims were held to Shariah Law, and Jews to the Law of the Torah. Not a single non-Muslim was held to Shariah because Shariah itself forbids compulsion. The Qur'an clearly says, "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:257). Furthermore, Shariah obliges Muslims to be loyal to their nation of residence.
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Tmoe said:

A lot of what I see in this thread is a lot of individuals arguing over Islam whom do not practice it and make wide assumptions based off their own experiences or articles that likely line up with their own ideological perspective.
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I agree with this to an extent. Muslim scholars of Islam do practice, experience, and study Islam itself. I think they have the best perspective on this considering Islam itself is filled with contradictions.
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