Ban RS/RSPS bugs that have a victim (Duel arena, mainly)

Spoiler: thread in question

I reported this post because in a duel arena setting both players are going into the game thinking that they have an equal shot at win, providing they are the same level. I get that this forum is about botting and gaining and unfair advantage, but at least that unfair advantage is coming from generating wealth in ways like botting, rwt, not deliberately taking money from players because you found a bug.

So I am suggesting banning methods that intend to take full advantage over another physical player, because this is scamming. Telling someone they have a 50% chance and then coming out and saying, "jk, thanks for the money" is a scam, and should be banned by nature of the forum.

 

So we had a discussion about this a long time ago with Sythe and if I remember correctly, if it's within game (runescape or otherwise) it's OK

 

I made a thread about similar bugs a while back such as staking bugs and I believe the verdict was that it is allowed since Sythe was founded on the basis of being a cheating website for games like RS. I believe it was also stated that if a bug was knowingly abused on someone from Sythe.org that they would be entitled a refund or actions would be taken (similar to how Sythe.org allows luring but if you lure a Sythe.org member you will be punished.

 

I guess this would be the verdict once more, and it makes sense.

I'll support the fact of punishing people who use it on victims from Sythe.

 

Right. If it involves another Sythe user then we care but if it's only in the game then we don't.

 

It's unfortunate in my opinion to see that from a moral standpoint the community here seems to only not scam because they don't want to get caught and banned, because that is how I am interpreting this. But whatever.

 

not to mention that a bug like this would be worth hundreds if not thousands of dollars, so selling it for $15 would indicate that the user is about to scam anyway.

And yes it could potentially cause the biggest scams outside of Sythe.

People are allowed to sell their bug-abused rsgp too if they happen to have billions of that. It's hard to form a good argument for this case.

 

Why should people not be allowed to sell their methods?

If it's not being used to target Sythe users then nobody here should even be worried about it in the slightest. Those who abuse bugs on RSPS will get their punishment in-game, that's enough of a punishment.

 

I was once banned and pardoned on this website for something off site that I could have been punished for, but I was still punished here. If Sythe did not pay attention to off site matters, then I would say that your argument carries weight, however Sythe does pay attention to off site business.

edit: Also, it's impossible to find out if the person is a Sythe member or not. Using that argument is such a load of shit. It's untraceable unless someone was an owner of the RSPS (I doubt this ever happens on RS) and compared both of the IPs and then matched them with Sythe members. It's so ridiculous and it'd never happen.

 

Ok. I was going to explain reasoning but reading staff meeting logs our policies on this are literally insane and all over the place.

Some admin go here for some good and very relevent info: http://sythe.org/11012154-post1.html

I'm selectively quoting because this is / was "official" policy so users have a right to know / they should know / I could say this in my own words and not get banned so whatever, ban me.

There was also discussion of staking glitches and I'm not posting that but there really was no consensus. This particular case does not fall into the "using Sythe to find victims" category so it is not clear. This is one of those "use best judgement" cases. A discussion about this should likely be had again and a concrete rule would be a great thing to strive for.

 

The argument falls apart simply because these glitches exist. When people enter the duel arena, they have to understand there is a chance they will be glitched out of a win by their opponent and so there is no "50-50 agreement" it's more "let the fair fighter beware" agreement.

On another note, anyone who buys gold is getting an "unfair" wealth advantage over anyone who doesn't buy gold but that's obviously perfectly fine and allowed on this forum so why would we draw a line for one "unfair" advantage but not another?

Tl;dr: life isn't fair

 

So then why is using these bugs on Sythe members "unfair"? -seeing as these bugs exist and how should I know when I'm using the bug on a Sythe member. It's not like after I use the bug I'm going to ask them "do you have a Sythe acc?"

 

In all honesty that has to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read.

When a person joins sythe he willingly understands that there's a chance to get scammed/loose money to a scammer. So as a punishment, the scammer gets banned.

When a person goes to the dueling arena he willingly understands there's a chance to get scammed/ loose money to a glitcher. So as a punishment, the glitcher (should/usually) gets banned ingame.

How is this not scamming exactly and why should this be allowed?
(PS I'm not referring to glitches like dupes/money farming etc)

 

No member of Sythe is being "scammed" directly, and the punishment should happen in game not on a black market forum. Noone should be punished here on Sythe for abusing glitches in game, unless you deliberately used them against a Sythe member.

People join Sythe mainly to gain an unfair advantage in game. Glitches are found and abused all the time, and they have been around since day 1. If there was a problem it would have been addressed by now.

If you were "scammed" by a bug feel free to open a report. GL

 

Doesn't matter if you're scamming a sythe member or not.
How can you state "unless you deliberately used them against a Sythe member" when If a person scams anyone offsite (EVEN IF HE'S NOT FROM SYTHE) he's automatically banned here if discovered?

 

Ingame bugs are fine, and I hope always will be. I share the same sentiments as Video.

 

This would be saying that you're trying to exclude sythe from having the unfair advantages due to bugs that players outside of sythe already have by saying this.
I don't agree.
If the bug is possible, it should be able to be sold/distributed on sythe.

If it can be sold anywhere, it should be able to be sold here, as long as they are legit with the sale, and aren't scamming members when selling the bug, I think it should definately be allowed here.

 

I was trying to back up my point, it's not SCAMMING. That is until you cross the line and purposely go and seek out victims here on Sythe.org.

"like an autistic child"
Where you going with this bro? Sounds like you are deliberately attacking me outside of the spam forum. You know this is the suggestion forum right? or did you forget once I shared my opinion and you disagreed with it.

People are banned for ACTUAL offsite offenses not for abusing INGAME bugs. I was keeping things civil, until you called me autistic. I'll see your ass in the spam forum bro.

This

 

Phishers exist too. When people go on RS and click links, they know they run the risk of being a phisher, so they have to be careful about the sites they go to. That's not to say I'd ever come on here, or participate in phishing, but I could give some bullshit "life isn't fair" about that as well. Botting is a victimless crime, unless you want to say someone's black chins losing value is a horrid crime and thus there are victims? RWT is a victimless crime. Same concept. Giving yourself a 100% win chance in duel arena is not a victimless crime. It's scummy and shouldn't be banned here. It shows that people don't give a shit about taking unfairly from other people. Botting and RWT is generating gold or purchasing, not stealing from anyone.

 

Honestly, you're not even worth arguing with after your first sentence, which completely ignores my previous statement.

"was trying to back up my point, it's not SCAMMING. That is until you cross the line and purposely go and seek out victims here on Sythe.org."
Again like i stated, a person could have 100s of vouches but If he's found to have scammed another person on a different forum which isn't related to sythe he's insta-banned.
but, If a person buys a bug ingame let's say 07 duel arena and finds a way to XLOG mid game or be invisible, and scams another person in the game for rsgp which isn't related to sythe, it's fine.

Both are scamming.
and Scamming = Ban (?)

Oh and towards your PM you've sent, I couldn't give a lesser shit what you want and how you want people to act towards you and as far as I'm concerned you've got a higher chance of getting cancer than thinking saying "You are toxic and unwanted by the community just leave" will work.
Back to your livechatslavework pheasant