Why are soldiers treated with so much respect?

Don't even say that Shit LOL. Whats your Rate/MOS? if your a IT your basically doing the same except more classified shit. Not every soldier goes to combat and not all jobs in the military are hard, unless your in a combat division or you are special operations.

 

Actually, I have a computer because I bought one with money I earned myself, it has nothing to do with the US military bombing most of the countries in the middle east. No soldier gave me a computer.

 

I have this discussion with some of my friends, one of which was a soldier. Most of us are in agreement with each other and think that making soldiers think they are doing something amazing by saluting them and praising them is immoral, they of course will enjoy the attention and the thanks which is a good feeling but I personally don't do it because i feel like i'm in some way encouraging a person to risk their life.

for anyone who says "these soldiers fight for your freedom", in my lifetime there has never been a situation where we needed an army of people to protect our country, and if our soldiers are here to protect us then why are they on the other side of the world?

I admire the fact that these people are willing to risk their life to protect our country, but I don't believe thats what they are being used for.

 

They devoted their loves to serving our country and giving us freedom. They've earned my respect.

 

What freedom did they give us?

 

They are working their life. They risking it. What do we risk ? Thats why i think

 

It's been 70 years since we fought a war about freedom... Forced troop worship and compulsory patriotism must end.

 

They deserve the respect .. They're risking their life every single minute P.S My opinion.

 

No one is forced to worship troops and patriotism is not compulsory.. are you stupid?

 

Taxi drivers risk their lives as well, I don't thank them for granting me freedom though.

"Patriotism" if that is what you are calling what the military does, IS compulsatory.

 

If I stay in my home, I'm risking my life. If I walk outside, I'm risking my life. If I'm in police custody, I'm risking my life. You aren't safe anywhere. The potential of death may be higher, but then you have jobs in the military which aren't more dangerous than me walking to the store. Should I show more respect than I should because they're associated with the military? Or how about those who are discharged without having done much of anything? We lean too much on the potential more so than the reality.

With all that being said, I don't care too much for the symbolism behind going to the military. With all the benefits they get, I'd go to.

 

Because they are sacrificing their lives just for the sake of the safety of everyone.

 

Prove it.

 

I seriously feel like your judgement is clouded by some sort of "War is bad so everyone who participates in it, is also bad." theory. When in reality its not like that.

You're looking at it from the perspective that all that's accomplished through the Military (From any branch of service or even any countries military) is bombings and killing innocents.

I personally know Marines who have given their own lives for innocents in Iraq.

Truth of the matter is we enlist for many different reasons, but what it all comes down to is we solemnly swore an oath to protect our country against enemies foreign and domestic. We do not decide who the enemies are, and we do not get the luxury, like the rest of 99% of the country (Non-Military) to be able to make decisions based off of our emotions and morals. We do what we're told and its as simple as that.

I don't wake up every day and hope that we get to bomb some village and kill babies and women.

I don't think you can bunch the political leaders decisions and the people who serve the countries decisions together.

You mean the benefits that can take years to even be processed after you get out of the military? I wish I could tell you how awful the VA is. Outside of being able to go to a low rated 4 year college tuition paid for, IF your GI bill qualifies for it, and the 20% discount I get off at footlocker the benefits aren't as glamorized as you make it seem. I occasionally get bought a beer every now and then if I go out but that's about it. Please do some research before you post something as ignorant as that lol.

And this whole "You risk your life every day". Well no shit lol. But you aren't intentionally putting yourself at risk for another cause. It's just another day for you. There's always a chance you can get in a car accident, step on a lego, fork in toaster w/e the hell. The difference is that people seem to overlook is that people in the military are WILLING to die for their people and their country. I'm pretty sure none of you are willing to die to get to work....

 

Except I never mentioned the accessibility of those benefits, only that the benefits are overwhelmingly good, which they are.

Leaving the safety of your home is intentionally putting yourself at greater risk for a cause.

http://www.beforeyousignup.info/joining/army/54-danger

Willingness to do any dangerous job must come with good reason, e.g., military benefits.

I know many military personnel who went to the military solely for the benefits. The self gratification reasoning is quite funny.

 

Is is a bad theory to not respect people who kill for a living?

Anecdote.

Being a soldier doesn't excuse you from acting morally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

So why do soldiers do it then? "I can't help but bomb babies and women, some mornings it just happens! CALL ME A HERO!!! I GRANT YOU FREEDOM!!!"

 

Why do you have this theory that all the military does is go into other countries and kill innocent people?

Your idealistic view of everyone who serves in a uniform is flat out ignorant in my eyes. almost 80 - 90% of people who actually join the military rarely if not ever see combat, and most deployments now a days are actually relief efforts, helping other countries.

Bosnia, Somalia, Uganda, Korea, (Believe it or not) Iraq, France, Israel, and many other places would be in shambles if it were not for the US military. I'm not just talking about "We went over there and kicked someones ass." I'm talking about actual efforts to allow that area to establish or even re-establish itself.

Also you have to work for a living correct? If your boss tells you to do something, and you know its morally wrong you're allowed to object to what he asks of you and even rationalize the situation and try and talk to him about it. It doesn't work like that in the Military. You're given orders and you don't question them. Regardless of how wrong or right they may be. There aren't orders given to kill innocents. You realize the US military has one of the strictest ROE's than any other country in the planet correct? Breaking an ROE can potentially threaten your entire military career which transfers over into the civilian world where it looks even worse.

It seems to me you have some moral animosity towards anyone in a uniform. Either you're some form of anti-war teen hippy "hipster" or you just have some twisted mental incapability of wrapping your head around the real job of the US military and for some reason you still believe in the post Vietnam era of civilians who treated Vietnam vets like shit for what they had to do out there to survive.

But I digress, no point in arguing with you. Let me put it this way. If there ever is a time again where we have to fight to continue to have control of America, or if we were ever invaded. Are you going to step up? No. The men and women in uniform are.

And that flat out answers the question. You aren't willing to do the job if that ever occurs, and we are.

 

I tried. I really did. But this bullshit rhetoric you're trying to spread is totally wrong. Your judgments are grossly inaccurate and you know it. Things aren't always black and white like you try to paint them.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the morals issue, but other than that we clearly couldn't see things more different.

There's that instinctual thing called self preservation... Where you are left with two very simple choices. One, if you want to be truly honest with yourself. And you'd be flat out fucking retarded if you think you'd be any different in that situation.


Then there's the fact that you're often left with no choice with what to do. Your decisions are made for you. And these horrible decisions are rarely if ever executed by the same person who thought of them. Does your boss clean the toilets, or does he have someone on the first rung of the ladder deal with the shit work? If someone dies on an operating room, do you blame the nurse helping the doctor or the doctor who ultimately made the final decision? Your willingness to so quickly pass judgment and blame onto these soldiers not only disgusts me, but also shows how immature you really are. Visit your local VA and talk to someone who knows what its really like. But actually listen to them. Then see if its so easy to equate them to a soulless Mengele type you like to categorize them as now.

Which in turn makes all that overwhelming good, overwhelmingly fucking useless. You might as well have said people stranded at sea should never need drinking water.

All these judgments and assumptions from anyone who's never worn the uniform are totally moot, and even laughable at points. This must be what doctors feel like when people self diagnose with WebMD. "Doctor your diagnosis is just plain wrong. I've spent 27 whole minutes studying this on the internet, I think I know what I'm talking about when I say you have no idea what you're doing here"

 

Are you implying that they don't go into other countries and kill innocent people there? Yes or no.

If you knowingly organize & provide support services a bombing, or an invasion, even if you weren't the pilot that dropped the bomb, you are still an accessory to murder. And a person trying to assist in relief efforts need not join the military, there's hundreds of relief and charity organizations that don't leave bodies in their wake.

I already showed that this is a Milgram fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Ad hominem. Why do you resort to insulting me and painting me as a teen hippy hipster as opposed to actually addressing my arguments? If I was in fact a hipster teenager, would Vietnamese children suddenly rise out of their graves unharmed?

You aren't making an argument. You are just saying that people shouldn't be responsible for the deaths they cause, and then insulting me for saying that they are accountable for the people they kill.

 

You haven't said anything in any of this text.

Are you referring to people who were drafted/conscripted into the military against their will, or people who signed up voluntarily to aid in the attacks (for a split of the loot, of course)?

^This isn't an argument. You are just throwing random hypotheticals at me about toilets and surgery that have nothing to do with soldiers.

Once again, why are you insulting me instead of addressing my arguments?