[evasion]Ban circumvention - Bus369 [marketmanipulation][exagerratedvouches]

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT!
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Didn't really want to bother but now it has become way too blatant. Bus369 is a banned member of Sythe with a DDos ban,scamming ban, AND a fake vouches ban under his belt. For months he has hired workers on Sythe to basically post threads for him - I believe that banned members should be considered undesirables and should refrain from using Sythe until they get pardoned. Although previously it was ruled that the workers that still have unbanned Sythe accounts would be held responsible if Bus decides to scam, I do not believe it's fair for potential victims to be exposed to this risk since Bus is the boss and he retains the majority of the profits. Also, if he scams again and then proceeds to hire a different worker - would that be allowed? What difference does it make?

Being banned should result in said user losing the privilege to trade on this site...

Issue 1: Worker is posting banned member's skype on business threads. WTF!
http://www.sythe.org/other-services...ches-s-v-u-long-term-renter.html#post15046132
http://www.sythe.org/14451200-post3.html



This is unbelievable. If I were a banned member could I simply pay someone to post threads for me? What's stopping someone from paying a non trusted member 10$ to post a selling thread for banned scammers? This makes absolutely no sense. If yousuck reported this he'd be banned instantly for being a "ban evader"

Issue 2: 1 person having partnership stakes in 2 sites that post on the same forum (market flooding)

http://www.sythe.org/private-server...x-staff-1k-vouches-best-rates-pp-mb-more.html


Another point is that currently Bus own's 2 sites - both of which have threads on the subforums in which he trades. This should NOT be allowed. In the past I argued against MMORPG's sites, but this time it's completely different. MMORPG provides a service to the site holders, but Bus' profit is entirely dependent on how much his partner's sell. This practice is extremely unfair- think about this: what if Bogla decides to give each of his agents a cookie cutter opencart website and then continues to take a large % of the profits the sites generate? Someone with resources would be able to completely spam threads on the subforums without problem. This is a precedent that CANNOT stand. I will tell you for sure that if this is allowed I will be creating basic sites for each of my employees and calling myself a partner. It will be of little cost for extra exposure...

Issue 3: Exaggerated vouches resulting in fake consumer confidence

Previously, Bus369 had been banned for faking vouches - he literally took other peoples' vouches and pasted them on his vouch thread. Mods you can check the previous report. He has absolutely no care for Sythe's rules and constantly encourages his workers to violate the 8 hour bump rule.

Gohan does not this alleged "1k+ vouches"
https://gyazo.com/6f02b9809aad1c85c2d9409474bcb235

Effigycraft does not have "1k+ vouches" either..
https://gyazo.com/571b8e808edc0bb4e82394fa0bb215aa

Also this guy used to work for me at RSgoldstop.com.....he proceeds to name his site goldstop.net.....that alone should speak for his character

That's not the issue at hand. He was warned not to post his skype, as cody had done that in the past....yet he does it again. HE obviously does not care for Sythe rules...

That's also only ONE issue. The fact that he was previously banned for faking vouches and is now exaggerating vouches to seem trusted that should be another ban.. since both of these sites literally have the SAME TITLES it's obviously endorsed by Bus and since these two members are posting for him they should be held accountable for his actions as well!

Also please read the entire thing: he currently has a 50% ownership stake in 2 sites. Goldstop.net and rsgoldtime.com.... by having extra forum threads he is able to make more money....whats stopping me from giving my workers different sites and just letting them post different threads? It costs literally like 300$ per site on the high end and makes no difference in other expenses but gets me more exposure..

More proof of straight up evasion through an unbanned member


EVERY SINGLE ONE OF EFFIGYCRAFT'S THREADS HAS BUS'S PERSONAL SKYPE. HE IS SIMPLY BEING PAID TO BAN EVADE FOR BUS!

 

Hi, So to prevent writing a book, I'm going to make this really easy to read, and then make sure this issue never,ever, ever, is able to be reported again, because this is the ~5th time .

So,

Issue 1:Worker is posting banned member's skype on business threads. WTF!
http://www.sythe.org/dispute-forum-archive/1804917-admin-bus369-disputing-icody34s-behalf.html

Ruled on by High staff, As long as the person posting(or sharing) my skype is willing to take responsibility, its legal, this issue is gone.


Issue 2:1 person having partnership stakes in 2 sites that post on the same forum (market flooding)

Prove it, Until you prove I have a partnership I'm not commenting although I certainly could(and will if staff request it), theres 0 proof that I can think of I'm even associated(as a starter,if he proves it we'll go from there).

Issue 3:Exaggerated vouches resulting in fake consumer confidence

Lalapo Cant count.

The sites are allowed to use both their workers reputation & any previous reputation, meaning I can use the reputation behind every single one of the people I employ, myself, and all the sites vouches(which now number over 1,000, 4 months ago I had 300 alone).


P.S- Blackhat & all other offences were overturned.


So yeah, No book, No drama, Thanks.

 

First off, that's a skype belonging to a banned member and anyone can report him RIGHT NOW and a mod will ban him until he disputes... I'm 100% certain you had a different skype on the threads when you first had him post. Now you've changed it to yours, I'm now thinking that Effigy no longer really works on the site, but it's basically only you. You're simply paying him to bump the threads (ofc this is speculation).

Next, I don't even know how you talked your way into getting that overturned in the past. It clearly states here in the rules:


A) Workers, however, are not liable for anyone's actions but their own (although it is up to the staff to determine who falls into that category).

- so this means you could scam any amount, then the worker in your case (Effigycraft/Gohan) would not be responsible? What's stopping you from just hiring completely new members on sythe and proceed to go on a scam fest? I know you most likely wouldn't do this, but if you set this precedent, scammers would be able to ban evade at minimal cost...

B) Posting on behalf of banned users is strictly prohibited unless the post pertains to a pardon, report, dispute, or other serious events which they may have information for. Doing so will result in an infraction, and quite possibly a forumban from the section the post was made in

Read that rule. Roary also please read that rule....it's been there for a long time, I don't see any valid reasoning in overrulling it in his dispute?.

As for this:
"The sites are allowed to use both their workers reputation & any previous reputation, meaning I can use the reputation behind every single one of the people I employ, myself, and all the sites vouches(which now number over 1,000, 4 months ago I had 300 alone)."

You just literally admit that these sites are all associated with each other. And this is not a rule anywhere and shouldn't.....

Also, I want to see the reasoning behind this statement when the rules clearly contradict it..

 

Personally I feel that a banned member should not be able to continue to advertise their business on Sythe. We banned Bus369 for a reason. If we want to continue allowing Goldstop.net posts, then we need to unban Bus369. Otherwise, every single thread which is posted on behalf of Goldstop.net should be closed.

 

Not necessarily. There was an instance where Bawsz when banned was working on someone's personal Skype. Now, although this is the other way around - where the banned user owns the Skype and the unbanned user works on it - it's the same scenario.

People aren't seeing Bus' profile and choosing to trade with it, they're seeing the person who works for Bus and adding Bus' Skype on the grounds of seeing Bus' worker's profile and so Bus' worker is responsible. Although because Bus' worker has the thread on Sythe, he's taken as the owner and Bus is the worker.

It was fine and I allowed for it.

 

Can we please address the vouch exaggeration issue?

"The sites are allowed to use both their workers reputation & any previous reputation, meaning I can use the reputation behind every single one of the people I employ, myself, and all the sites vouches(which now number over 1,000, 4 months ago I had 300 alone)."

Since you say they are adding him because they want to trade with the worker but this directly contradicts that. Bus is using his banned profile's reputation along with every other employee (including Gohan). So in essence the person who is adding the Skype is relying on vouches that cannot be proven..?

Next up is the issue of one person having an ownership stake in more than 1 website. By giving each one of your employees a unique site, you only pay a minimal upfront cost in exchange for significantly more exposure on the site. Please clarify the rules in this regard because I too want to have more threads for my workers....it's a minimal investment with huge returns.

 

New evidence:

More interaction between the 2 sites, my suspicion is that this is BUS evading! Why is there one account that is made specifically to bump threads for the two sites? My theory is that bus basically operates on both websites and bumps the respective threads when his workers are offline....this is so blatantly wrong, mods please act soon..

http://www.sythe.org/members/458347-bumpslave.html


"Bumpslave"
https://gyazo.com/560fb1cfc023d3432a6e95a9429e29aa

Bumpslave posting on both sites that bus is affiliated with..


he's bumping same threads in the same market
https://gyazo.com/ba0a863ea1cbad8985e7fb02973019c9

 

I've deleted all the posts by Bumpslave and banned the account.

 

Going to close this since he is unbanned, and already proved that the bumpslave account doesn't belong to him.