Could God predict the future not being affected by the uncertainty principle?

Lagrange thought that if we knew the current state of everything, we could predict the future as the universe evolves and is governed by the 4 basic forces and the laws of physics. This mechanistic determinism "died" after the discovery of Heisenberg's famous uncertainty principle. However, if a God could observe the universe without affecting what it's observing, could he predict the future just as Lagrange thought?

 

Assuming that the universe truly is random, and not just difficult to predict, I think that having the uncertainty principle and an omniscient God contradict each other. Can the all-knowing know the unknowable? A universe that contains one cannot contain the other.

 

I don't see where it contradicts. Imagine a God could know somehow the state of matter without having to shoot high-energy photons or electrons to see the particles. We are limited in the way we can only observe matter indirectly.

 

There is no uncertainty to an omniscient being.

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Well the wave-particle duality theory says that you can know the exact position of a particle precisely if you want to know its velocity precisely aswell.

 

God is an all knowing being, thus knowing everything. If you're arguing that there are things he wouldn't know, or be certain of, then you're saying he isn't all knowing. This is really a matter of semantics here.

 

Well from my understanding, God is usually perceived as an eternal being, meaning that he exists outside of time... but like Ghast said it comes down to semantics and how you would define God to really answer this kind of question.

 

Part of the theory of quantum mechanics isn't just that we're physically incapable of determining how the wave-function collapses, it's that it's inherently unknowable. The contradiction lies in the fact that we define the wave-function collapse as unknowable, but God as all-knowing. You can't have both.

 

It depends on how you view God. From a deistic perspective God is an omniscient, omnipotent yet transcendent "being" -- meaning he exists outside the Universe and is therefore unaffected by things like the Uncertainty Principle.

 

This.

On other notes, I believe God pre-destined all things.

 

Who the fuck cares what you believe? Stop posting on all the threads without any justification or evidence. So many people have the high-flown idea that we are supposed to take seriously any statement that follows "I believe". If you believe something rationally, that is that it follows from something in reality then we should take seriously what you're saying. If you aren't doing this, your opinion means shit and you should keep it to yourself.

 

If god does exists, hes all knowing, all knowing means that he would be able to even predict spontaneuity right?

 

This thread is just creating a bunch of spam, locked