Israel versus Palestinians

Arabs are treated like second class citizens and thats a fact, you're just too ignorant to realize it. I've thrown a couple of links at you, why dont you read them?

Are you blind? 0:15 - 0:16

I'll just quote you

Also who has the intent to strike whom here?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4643822,00.html

Here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30667440

Great, Link me to Nytimes, a few pages ago you claimed they were biased and served as palestinian propaganda.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...ignoring-security-council-resolutions-1.31971

Rofl even more bullshit.

Lebanon?

Do you want me to quote your statement?

Back up your claim then, the link states that the jews oppose a two-state solution.

Awesome even more lies. Your quote is from 2009. Tell me more of how the jews and Netanyahu want a two-state solution.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212


Also I am still waiting on the lecture regarding my history and the al-aqsa mosque or did you realize you were spouting bullshit all along.

 

Are you blind? How many times have I asked for you to quote specific laws that discriminate against non-Jews. How many times do I have to point out that the law you're bringing up simply enables small rural communities to screen potential residents.

And are you an idiot? You're actually going to defend the person who was shot when he is the aggressor? Do you not see him charging at the van? The level of ignorance in your posts is staggering.

"Shot in cold blood." Right, "cold blood" when he attempted to kill the passenger of that van.

The two-state solution is contingent upon the recognition of Israel and borders that don't compromise security. Get that through your thick skull.

Who has the intent to completely destroy a country? Do you find the Israeli PM out in public addressing several hundred people "Death to Iran"? Do you? No. Do you find Israeli government doctrine calling for the complete annihilation of Iran or any other Arab nation? Can you find me ANYTHING that parallels the public remarks of the Iranian regime? No, because none exist, and the intent of Israel isn't to destroy anyone. Unlike Iran who for years has made it publicly known their goal is the destruction of Israel.

It's glaringly apparent you've been backed into a corner that you can't get yourself out of.

Oh this will be fun.

http://bbcwatch.org/2015/04/06/bbc-again-avoids-informing-audiences-about-pa-debt-to-israel/

You do realize that the "Palestinians" have incurred literally hundreds-of-millions in debt right?

I've been using the NY Times since I started this thread. So let me guess, something is only "biased" when it doesn't support your argument? Your sources consist of HRW and Adalah, two sources of which have NEVER been truthful on any topic.

Rofl even more bullshit.

Why do you keep bringing up Lebanon? Are you aware Hezbollah is still militant?

You really are a special snowflake. The two-state solution is contingent upon 1. Secure borders and 2. The demilitarization of Hamas.

Answer me this question if you can. If Israel were to concede to a two-state solution this very minute, what do you think would happen? Would Israel get peace? Or would Hamas be brought even closer to cities such as Be'er Sheva, and attack them.

Just realize your answer should reflect how Hamas acted when Israel gave up all of Gaza for peace.

http://media.huji.ac.il/new/docs/hu131231_JointPoll_Dec2013.pdf

As you were saying?

The contingency is the fact that Hamas is militant. Any land that is given up would only bring the rockets closer.

You can stop pretending that the Israeli people don't want a two-state solution.

Congratulation, you got me on a single point that I got a mosque wrong. Should I start pointing out that the Jewish Temple Mount was there before yours mosques'?

If you're going to start calling me out on insignificant points (unless getting the name of a mosque is that important, the principle still stands, your holy sites were neglected for decades if not centuries), how about I ask you about that jewishvirtuallibrary post? Hmm?

Time and time again you prove how dull you are.

 

What is your point? What are you trying to get at?

It does not stand and can you back up these claims that they were "neglected for decades if not centuries"?

Post facts not conspiracy theories

What does this have to do with the fact that Netanyahu is not for a two-state solution. Did you even press the hareetz link?

You're contradicting yourself again. Yes, I am defending him, you asked if he was backing away and the video shows he clearly was.

Whom invaded who?

Iran is not an arabic nation also Israel is the aggressor. By your definition Israel is threat because they have every means to attack Iran, Iran however claims that the program is to build their infrastructure.

And bbcwatch is a credible source? You wanted me to cite an incident where Israel violated the Oslo accords and I did. Are you saying that they did not violate the accords by freezing the money?

 

Guess you really are too dumb to even comprehend what i'm saying.

Is it that difficult to compare the condition of these mosques in only the last couple decades?

What happened in 2005 when Israel gave up Gaza? Hamas was brought closer and they've been firing rockets ever since. Do you not realize they haven't denounced their charter?

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

How many times do I have to say it and actually quote his exact words?

These are the news reports on Netanyahu and what his remarks are

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-finally-speaks-his-mind/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...i-ambassador-tells-us-audience-netanyahu-did/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...-prime-minister-netanyahu-israel-bilateral-me

I just want you to answer this question. Before he was "shot in cold blood" what was he doing?

Sorry, but who attacked who first?

Did you not just see the videos of Iranian presidents and religious leaders in front of several hundred people chanting "death to Israel"?

http://cis.uchicago.edu/sites/cis.u...8-1993DeclarationofPrinciples_OsloAccords.pdf

Show me.

Also, if you're going to question the credibility of a source how about you post something to back up your claim? I did the same for Adalah and HRW. You have yet to disprove anything i've posted.

 

Oh, the irony.

No, I've been around the middle east, but I've never been to Israel.

Even so, it's quite irrelevant. I don't need to have traveled to an area to have a decent idea of its' policies and its' current state. On such logic, I wouldn't be able to discuss the happenings in 30+ states in the U.S.

I would hardly say Hamas was truly voted into power. A failed political system allowed Hamas to take root in the government, controlling 74/132 seats with 40% of the vote. Hamas was hardly the face of the Arab vote and since they've been in power there's yet to be another election.

Note: Indirect institutional discrimination is a thing

 

Do you always pretend like you know what you're talking about?

Alluding to the amount of propaganda surrounding Israel on the internet isn't enormous. You do realize that the majority of propaganda that exists is because of Arab reporters that will purposely put a half-truth spin on a situation, or take pictures/video footage of only very specific happenings in support of their own cause. Hence, I posted many videos bringing to light "Pallywood."

I know right? It's almost like if Israel never pulled out of Gaza, we wouldn't be dealing with such a shit-show now would we? Good point.

Note: Anecdotal "evidence" doesn't equate to literal facts. Then again, that's the most you could provide in support of your stance.

The frequency and thoroughness of your posts indicates you're obviously done attempting to debate this topic. You can go back to the warming the bench for already over as I continue to bury him.

 

No, when I make a statement I generally attempt to ensure I do know what I'm talking about.

In this situation you say: "So in Fantasy Land I suppose this is where this kind of logic would make sense."

So in response, I say: "Oh, the irony" alluding to the idea that you're in a Fantasy Land where your kind of logic makes sense.

Hope that cleared some things up for you.

It is useless to attempt to paint this picture that Israel is some benevolent country that has never committed any wrong doings and such accusations are just that of the "Palestinian Propaganda." It's a total farce and as I stated earlier, there is an astronomical amount of content online that anybody could link to. Video-after-video either condemning either the Israelis or Palestinians.

Yeah! You know what? Let's prevent any negative things from happening again! Israel should just go into every country and ensure only good things happen all the time!

I don't know what you're talking about. Indirect institutional discrimination is a thing that is already a proven concept. You make a post stating "show me the discriminatory laws", I'm simply pointing out there doesn't have to be laws for a institution to have discriminatory practices.

- Stated I found replying to many of your points a waste of time on the basis that "you're incredibly - some would say blindly - patriotic towards Israel, you won't acknowledge facts, and believe Israel to be this benevolent country who has done nothing wrong."
- Points I have responded to you have ignored
- My frequency is when I have time & when I see something I feel I should reply to
- I would hardly saying you're burying him due to the fact that ignorance does not correlate to winning an argument

 

How about we review your fictitious arguments.

1. The old "poor Gaza is being 'trampled over'!" argument.
-What comes first. The fact that Hamas instigated wars or that Israel retaliates due to their continued coercion since 2006?

Your logic is flawed.

2. "Oh well the 'nation-state' system is 'new.'"
-You're ignoring the fact that the "Palestinians" claim to be an actual people, having historic ties to the Philistines. The "Palestinians" are not a people. The name is regional, and always has been for over two millennia. You attempting to say "but they ARE a people" simply because of a name, when the truth is exactly the opposite. Attempting to adopt a REGIONAL and foreign name is so historically and currently inaccurately ludicrous it almost doesn't warrant discussion.

Flawed logic again.

3. The old "indirect" discriminatory laws, which is nothing but anecdotal. Your argument falls flat on its face when you mention laws that would have been in writing. However, the laws you were alluding to would have only applied to the West Bank, where all residents are subject to IDF military rule. Then again, these "laws" would be by definition discriminatory against the Jews as well.

Flawed logic a third time.

4. You apparently don't possess the cerebral capacity to comprehend the fact that a nation couldn't and never did exist within the Empire. All still utilized the Ottoman Lira as their currency as all answered under the administration of Istanbul. Why do you think it is that following the dissolution of the Empire the British were given formal rule over the Levant/Palestine? Why do you think it is that they created a regional currency and banks? Because the regional governing power was dissolved.

I guess these facts are too difficult for you to comprehend.

Again, you're someone with zero knowledge of demographic ethnicity and nationhood relations. Please tell me the difference between the Arabs in Gaza, Israel the West Bank and Jordan. (all three of which were a product of the British Mandate/1948/1967 wars)

Still never addressed how/why you would ever apply a regional name to a literal peoples. (never once in the history of this Earth has there been a reference to a "Palestinian" people, but it's cute watching you pulling the "oh well uhh that definition is new")

This part is glaringly apparent, yet you still speak as though you've been there and know.

Quote me on this one. I'll debunk the nonsense further down that links with this.

Very few people argue that. You're expecting a Utopian society. News Flash: Racism will always exist. I'm sorry your idealist mind can't cope with that fact.

In relation to the Oslo Accords and what the Israeli gov. and PA agreed upon? Yes, yes it is. Again, your idealist ideology doesn't fit in with reality.

Associated directly with my question relating to Arabs in Gaza/Israel/WB/Jordan. Still ignorant of Arab claims that aren't backed historically.

Again you proved here your ignorance. You obviously don't know what Area A, B and C are. Look into them before posting in this thread.

They did actually. Support their cultural distinctiveness.

Your ignorance on this topic was proven a few posts up on page 4.

I forgot to ask whether or not you've seen the Negev. Once you see the Negev, look at the partition plan. Ignorance again.

When you have a government that publicly called for cooperation among Arabs specifically, no, your claim doesn't hold up. This has been proven by the fact non-Jews hold key positions in Israeli society.
Lets address some of my favorite posts of yours that are completely idiotic.

Half-truths. If ignorance is bliss, you've got to be on one hell of a high.

Have you ever looked into black on black crimes? Probably not. I guess it's "discrimination" that the number is utterly staggering. Right?

Murder for example

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ll-about-black-black-crime-heather-mac-donald

Enjoy.

All these posts and you still can't figure out that its use to reference a people only started in the 20th century.

What's funny is your post after this you complained about me "ignoring" this post of yours. What's even more hysterical is that I did address it when I replied to already over. I guess reading isn't your strong suit.

Your bias is/was/always has been showing. Factually false btw as was proven in the links I provided for almost lost. (he's still lost)

Remember that time you ignored plenty of evidence that doesn't support your statement? Yeah, I remember that time also.

More idealistic Utopian garbage.

This was another one of my favorites. I was pointing out the Hamas brainwashing of children and their children's television shows. You went ahead and found a play of kids portraying an IDF soldier shooting a "Palestinian." lol not realizing it was conducted by a private school in an Arab community. Then you proceed to play dumb like you don't know what i'm talking about.

When all else fails, pretend you don't know what they're talking about. Oh, and pretend like there was no intent behind it either. LOL classic.

And now, here we are.

Try and fail. How many times have you tried now?

Which was in relation to you claiming Israel is a threat/threatening nation that was backed by... uhm... oh, right, nothing. I countered with the fact they went to exorbitant lengths to warn civilians of impending strikes, provided medical aid and allowed any/all inhabitants into their hospitals for treatment, even throughout the conflict allowing through global/domestic aid that totaled in the hundreds-of-thousands of tons of aid through their border crossings, as well as... this.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/middleeast/gaza-reconstruction/

Even though I actually despise CNN, I praise them for this interview and bring to light of the facts on the amount of ridiculous international aid that flows through Israel's crossings, which includes building materials.

But I suppose in your world "charity" equates to "threatening."

If i've argued benevolence please quote me.

Here's an interesting question. Do you uphold Hamas, the PA, Hezbollah/Lebanon and Iran to the same standards you impose on Israel? That's the irony behind this and the double-standard, that the level of sheer bias against Israel is applied to Israel alone.

Israel supplies electricity even when the PA is indebted to them $400 Million+
Israel supplies water regardless of the PA's wasteful practices, giving them more water than was even agreed upon
Israel has allowed enough aid through their crossings to feed all of Gaza for who knows how long, and rebuild it who knows how many times over
Israel allows for all citizens regardless of race, religion or sex to vote in their elections
The IDF protects all citizens regardless (the Iron Dome does a splendid job of that, wouldn't you say so?)
Arabic is an official language in Israel
Arabs are not required to serve in the IDF (except for the Druze, as they willingly chose against such an option)
Arabs receive identical treatment in Israeli hospitals
Arabs have political representation in the Knesset

Do you want me to continue?

As far as I know, Israel is the only nation in the region with government doctrine that reads as follows

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpo...tion of establishment of state of israel.aspx

I guess in your idealistic society this statement might be found valid. You should have been giving examples all this time, but instead you decided to simply state it exists without any anecdotal evidence to back it up. The closest you got were buses that would cater to "Palestinian" and Jews in the WB.

When you can actually read my posts without claiming I ignored yours, please, do actually reply next time. Plenty of times did I post evidences in above posts that directly contradict your stance, it's your own willful ignorance that continues to ignore them.

If i've posted inaccuracies i'll gladly concede to them. So far, the only inaccuracy i've posted is my incorrect identification of a mosque. If you actually knew what you were talking about and had anything to counter me, you'd be posting solid facts, but anecdotal evidence that is backed by literally nothing.

If you're going to defend almost lost (I think he's still lost) you should probably choose to pick a part of my post where I was supposedly incorrect. Then again, i've already argued these points probably a hundred times over and realize what's historically true and what isn't. Kind of like how you claimed Netanyahu doesn't support the two-state solution, yet i've supplied more than enough evidence to refute that.

This is almost too easy.