2nd Report against WolfRunescapes Outstanding Debt.

Gunxz · Mar 7, 2015

Refer to this post where he is banned: http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1812109-pie-over.html

So, another mod (who wont currently be named) spoke to him and received a 30.5m 07 refund, saying that he "took his word" that only 30.5m 07 was on the account. Also, without contacting me they paid that 30.5m 07 to someone i "have debt with", which isnt true.

In end:
1) I have not received a refund, regardless of the rest of the problematic situations in this report.
2) Even if 30.5m has been handed to someone "on my behalf", i still DONT have that money and am owed a total of 160m 07.
3) Even if they claim there was not 160m 07 on the account, there was over 42m of people's money other than my own on there. And roughly 110-120m of my own.

So with that being said. I am still owed 160m 07, if that is his intent to pay what was left on the account to put his standing on sythe back in a respectable order.

G U N · Mar 14, 2015

Last thread was voted 5-0 i am liable for what happened, under what grounds? No proof was ever provided for the opposite party. Nothing was proven in the sense that i was liable for anything. THERE WAS NOT EVEN A RULE FOR THE CLAN ON THE REFUND POLICY ITSELF. Debt is not transferred to my name simply because someone thinks they can speak on my behalf.

The sole reason this has not gone through is because of the status of the other parties involved. Simple as that. Any other Dispute/Report with this much PROOF on my end would have been closed within 20 minutes and decided in my favor, and you all know it.

Everything everyone else is saying is simply hearsay.

Scammer's profile link: http://www.sythe.org/members/395406-wolfrunescape.html

Explanation of the trade:
There was no direct trade. I was scammed by Pie Overlord for 160m 07 while renting his account (Found here: Pie Over. After receiving word from Video that he was willing to refund, they said he would only refund 30.5m 07, as he claims that was all that was on the account. After this, messaging between myself and Video ceased until i bugged him enough to where he replied "I paid your debt with Wolf, so he has the 30m".

How they scammed:
The reason im reporting this in the scam section, is that Wolf is the one with stolen property in his hands. They cut me out of the entire loop when i was the victim, and Video simply "took wolf's word" that i owe him money.
The entire thing stems from the account Myself, MrEvilPwns and Farcast HAD ACCESS to while hosting in Soul Rich's clan "Stake of w54" where I was ddosed while hosting a 1.1b pot. Upon re-login, the 1.1b was not on there. Bettors claim it was a win, which in that instance they ARE due a refund, but no proof was ever shown as to a win. So without proof showing a win, there is no required refund in that case. MEP and Wolf refunded some of the bets out of Pity, not because it was needed. And then insisted to say that their Pity refunds were my fault and i owe them 165m rs3 each, which is a load of shit.

Now to clarify;
Since there was no proof of a win, im not liable for anything, and wasn't liable anyhow. Wolf claimed full responsibility for me hosting, and MEP for the account itself as it WAS HIS. Since it was a boxing stake with under 100 health left, the ddos wouldnt disconnect us from the fight, so no refund was due on those means. The only reason a refund would ever be present is if it was a win, which again was never shown.
I have relentlessly tried to contact Wolf, no replies. I have relentlessly tried to get my refund through Video, who even ADMITS he distinctly went around me and paid wolf without ANY PROOF AT ALL. Not before all of these things happened and people simple turn on me over $50, i respected all parties. Not anymore.

Skype proof for all parties:

Video: http://gyazo.com/746d0e624c0aa3ef2e3067f7a2886390

Soul Rich: http://gyazo.com/fd237880107df2d06b0cf0cbaa4a74f0

WolfRunescape: http://gyazo.com/c1e07aa6b6fa24ad474294973ffebdc3

Skype profile ID & conversation:

Attempt to contact wolf to claim the $ back: http://gyazo.com/c1e07aa6b6fa24ad474294973ffebdc3

Video Acknlowledging He didnt even contact me about the refund, went straight to Wolf with the $ : http://gyazo.com/746d0e624c0aa3ef2e3067f7a2886390

Wolf Assuming responsibility for the problems in SR's clan: http://gyazo.com/0d1ade8b44c61c702df76210e45d27fd

Pie Overlord confirming he was never told to contact me, or refund me: http://gyazo.com/6b70edc43718e99d0c5234949ef4ca3b

SR confirming I owe nothing, claiming he paid for my "mishaps" When nothing has been proven or provided to ANY PARTIES that shows i assume responsibility for anything, or even Wolf/MEP assume responsibility. YET AGAIN they refunded out of pity, not proof.: http://gyazo.com/28da891288417e4baeb81f32b111803c

SR confirming there was NO PROOF of a win generated, ever : http://gyazo.com/5f65ee6270b12d6ff3b20a1b649b79c7

Video admitting he excluded me, and took wolf's word that i owe him : http://gyazo.com/ed5fc689009f25f8efd41abe8c639d13

Yet again, another instance saying NO PROOF was posted of a win, and they refunded out of PITY, not requirement. : http://gyazo.com/f8bb93ad07dc651a2d79afed5209458c

Other relevant trade screenshots:
I had teamspeak logs from the whole thing on top of this, but couldnt dig them up.

Any additional info/proof needed Staff? Contact my skype: Theyusv

Additions:

Please add that MrEvilPwns is also in control of 15m 07 of the gold that I am owed. News to me.

Sythe profile: http://www.sythe.org/members/382839-mrevilpwns.html

Proof:
http://gyazo.com/00e3a23e2e6cbd739fabb7aba5b8dbeb

Soul Rich's admittance that there was no rule for the refund:
In addition, Soul Rich has contacted me saying it was a refund based on a "rule he made up on the fly". No documentation, or knowledge of the rule.
Here is a full list of the rules + Refund policies for Stake of W54. Just so there is no confusion.

http://gyazo.com/ab238bceb142dd3b3b60d22f3717a795
http://gyazo.com/ee5bbf79ed0c1f15b6e2967f2f9533c4
http://gyazo.com/201587b8dadbd5024d7ae5ea8e127e3f
http://gyazo.com/d5a36f9a487eb65e02103200320d47a5

The full conversation between myself and Soul Rich, where he just insulted me and proved my case even more:
http://gyazo.com/0935bb70d3d5dac86807f0352e0b5a2b
http://gyazo.com/9d7ec591c15ec989ff6648f1cdba0944
http://gyazo.com/9f939a77da3b8137e9a4d86d9d3415b4
http://gyazo.com/924c2fa0f5e996b821a1ce23ed031538
http://gyazo.com/158a9b4a96f5b554db16e8b6c9745ddc
http://gyazo.com/992ad67836f6fa4436e85370a6fd9f07
http://gyazo.com/9b27e87f4ad01de3a78338a0d03fd315
http://gyazo.com/84d0c15c4ce662a3b4247bb765560b1d
http://gyazo.com/d17d40bfe28f1042c1a18970c7520090
http://gyazo.com/9a72a4473826231299d5659018a937b0
http://gyazo.com/f08f41e9d0780cbae0b6434fdf0d3367
http://gyazo.com/75ee4b526611dcc400d19d6aa9808ef9
http://gyazo.com/f8cfdef3cff5de5196f548326ee2fc6a
http://gyazo.com/02ef3e9a7492461d49df245ad8638254
http://gyazo.com/57119640c17868e4a1f94a9af1691ad8
http://gyazo.com/1c7f025cfb1dcc17041f10604150dd3d
http://gyazo.com/f3793165e9034519f02a0f5bcd660ef2
http://gyazo.com/3bc1fb465e1e4402d1a2679d40274099
http://gyazo.com/0e710****b386032b71da2aed6efc502
http://gyazo.com/0e9a8a724ca13cb5835db3064d88ae77
http://gyazo.com/447dfdfc1bcc65ab06ed2c2d04d9864a
http://gyazo.com/c806e5a13128bd2ce9c33a3ee40469c8
http://gyazo.com/649815dff34c8da7ab95604632fa2796

Quick summary of the event at hand:

• No proof of a win was shown. Thus, we are not liable in the first place. Any of us.
• If you believe we are anyway, just to be courteous to bettors, then it would have been in the rules and refund policy.
• what I choose to do with my money is my choice, no one else's. I offered to repay the entire 1b if proof was found of a win. It never was. Not that I've made an indefinite choice yet, but if I so chose to give you guys $ out of pity about the situation, that's not me OWING you money. That's me doing the same thing you guys did with pitying the bettors.
• so let's be clear here. I don't OWE anyone anything. If this was a refund rule, it's not listed on the rules or refund policy at all, and would still require proof of a win. Because with getting ddosed in a boxing fight with 100 hp left, the account would remain ingame until someone won or lost.
• regardless of the entire situation, I was scammed, a refund was given of MY money to someone I have no debt to, and was done so without discussing it with me. I had to harp the mod for 8 hours just to find out what happened with my $.
•so now, let's connect the dots. No rule governing this in the FC. No proof of a win provided. No legitimate reason that I owe them money.
• if I felt like giving them money down the road out of pity, that's my own doing. Them refunding on a pot with no proof of a win, and no refund policy in the first ace was their own decision out of the kindness in their heart, you can't put that on me.

This entire situation is fucked, and biased beyond belief simply because of the status of the other parties involved here on Sythe.

Any more information needed? feel free to contact my skype: Theyusv

G U N · Mar 14, 2015

PLEASE REMOVE/LOCK "RE-REPORT OF WOLFRUNESCAPE" THREAD.

I'm going to make this short and sweet, as this information is all that is truly needed to have this go though, dependant on a level-headed mod/admin reading it.

Pie Overlord scammed me, he dished out a refund and it was not paid to me, it was paid to WolfRunescape for a debt which i do not owe.

SR confirming I owe nothing, claiming he paid for my "mishaps" When nothing has been proven or provided to ANY PARTIES that shows i assume responsibility for anything, or even Wolf/MEP assume responsibility. YET AGAIN they refunded out of pity, not proof.: http://gyazo.com/28da891288417e4baeb81f32b111803c

SR confirming there was NO PROOF of a win generated, ever : http://gyazo.com/5f65ee6270b12d6ff3b20a1b649b79c7

This two pictures rule out any additional thinking on the matter, and additionally they still have not provided any bit of proof on the subject, just hearsay.

You are all going off on tangents not related to what is going on. I need to make this short and simple for everyone apparently.

Refer to : http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer...escape-outstanding-debt-video-neglegance.html for clarification on thing, or request a clarified reply from me please.

• No proof of a win was shown. Thus, we are not liable in the first place. Any of us.
• If you believe we are anyway, just to be courteous to bettors, then it would have been in the rules and refund policy.
• what I choose to do with my money is my choice, no one else's. I offered to repay the entire 1b if proof was found of a win. It never was. Not that I've made an indefinite choice yet, but if I so chose to give you guys $ out of pity about the situation, that's not me OWING you money. That's me doing the same thing you guys did with pitying the bettors.
• so let's be clear here. I don't OWE anyone anything. If this was a refund rule, it's not listed on the rules or refund policy at all, and would still require proof of a win. Because with getting ddosed in a boxing fight with 100 hp left, the account would remain ingame until someone won or lost.
• regardless of the entire situation, I was scammed, a refund was given of MY money to someone I have no debt to, and was done so without discussing it with me. I had to harp the mod for 8 hours just to find out what happened with my $.
•so now, let's connect the dots. No rule governing this in the FC. No proof of a win provided. No legitimate reason that I owe them money.
• if I felt like giving them money down the road out of pity, that's my own doing. Them refunding on a pot with no proof of a win, and no refund policy in the first ace was their own decision out of the kindness in their heart, you can't put that on me.
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G U N · Mar 15, 2015

So i just want to shorten this down to things that actually matter.

⌐ Soul Rich openly says in the pictures that a refund was only needed on a win, and that a win on the stake was never present. Therefore, any form of refund is simply out of pity for the bettors, and that cannot be transferred as debt onto my shoulders.
⌐ Not that anything matters after ^^^^^, But additionally they continue to forfeit their ability to provide proof of what occurred.

So let me rationalize this with you guys:
I'm not the one under question here, Wolf is.
It's Wolf's job to prove I owe him money for the situation, not for me to prove i don't.
This thread is subject to so much bias it's not even funny, simply due to their status on sythe. And every part involved knows it. I've contacted Ex-mods, some poeple who dislike he as is, and everyone i've spoken to and asked to read through the thread with an un-bias view has come to the same conclusion; They have no proof of me owing money, and am owed a 30.5m 07 refund from wolf.

R · Mar 15, 2015

Gonna talk this over with Video.

G U N · Mar 18, 2015

I spoke to Roary, I stated the full story the exact way i did on the thread, and he agrees that if what im saying correlates to the thread, then im correct. Unless Video has some outstanding proof that nobody has been notified about me owing money.

Roary has attempted to contact Video pertaining the matter at hand for 2 days now, i still have not heard an answer nor has Roary.

So i'm still waiting for this amazing proof that I somehow owe them money. I'd like to either have this settled in the next 24hrs on my behalf, or provide the flawless proof.

Thanks.

S · Mar 19, 2015

Tagged Roary.

R · Mar 25, 2015

Waiting on a PM from Video, sorry, will try and sort this

G U N · Mar 29, 2015

In reference to : http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1815126-2nd-report-against-wolfrunescapes-outstanding-debt.html

Still waiting on a reply from Roary. Roughly 10-12 days ago he requested the proof from Video that shows I have debt with any of them. It still has not been provided. Video has been more than active, and is simply being neglectful to the entire situation. Wanting an answer ASAP seeing as it's been a MONTH since this happened, and roughly 3 weeks since the report process began.

With that said;

WolfRunescape + MEP are in control of the money which was stolen from me.

Without proof of the debt, they should be banned right now until an non biased decision is made. All that is occurring here is a cloud of bullshit, and mistreatment of someone solely because they are a banned user on Sythe. Which is horse shit in my opinion. g'day.

G U N · Apr 2, 2015

It has now been 2 weeks roughly? Since evidence was requested from Video, and still have not been provided. When is this going to be solved?

Please tag both users, don't merge w/ other post as it will be overlooked.

Simply sick and tired of being tossed around. Whats the verdict. Because it's been a month since the incident and there's still no proof of anything on the other party's end. Simply me proving something that i didnt even have to prove anyway. Im not the one under question here, they are.

g'day.

G U N · Apr 4, 2015

I asked for this not to be merged, and left as a separate entity from the thread. Gives me more of a chance Video might actually acknowledge what is going on.

It has now been 2 weeks roughly? Since evidence was requested from Video, and still have not been provided. When is this going to be solved?

Please tag both users, don't merge w/ other post as it will be overlooked.

Simply sick and tired of being tossed around. Whats the verdict. Because it's been a month since the incident and there's still no proof of anything on the other party's end. Simply me proving something that i didnt even have to prove anyway. Im not the one under question here, they are.

g'day.

G U N · Apr 8, 2015

Do not merge w/ original post. As requested 3 times now.

What should be occurring right now:

Ban MEP and Wolf until proof of my debt is shown. This is what should have been done 4 weeks ago, but since im banned on Sythe clearly i have no influence, and clearly it's comedic that i be mistreated.

Actually REVIEW, now skim and skimp on what i've said on my other thread. Either ban them, or warrant the refund. It is not anyone's right to throw MY money away just because someone said I have a debt with them. With any other parties involved this would have been handled correctly and timely.
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It's been well over a month since the incident, nobody has provided a lick of proof of my debt, yet Video took the initiative to pay them MY money that was scammed from ME.

Let me make this clear; I am not the person in question here, MEP and Wolf are as they have the stolen money and have yet to provide sufficient proof of a debt.

In regards to neglect from Video, here is myself attempting to contact video simply asking if he can forward the info to Roary, or give me an update. Yes, i got pushy at the end but rightfully so. Note that the first message simply asking for an update was sent on March 13th.

http://gyazo.com/89c8b9159964b72cfb12fc65d6c248c7

Now for Video's Negligence.

Exhibit 1: http://gyazo.com/1b3351946b515576fe870cec8182846c
1a Shows Video's lack of knowledge on what occurred stating "repayment for some type of scam". Clearly I can assume he simply took Wolf's word i owe $ and that is that.

Exhibit 2,3 & 4: http://gyazo.com/2cc377b99895c8e61dc90fd6a77f6f1a
http://gyazo.com/f148e373fbd377ea45641c10b478e5b9
http://gyazo.com/b8a3239776e064715a9d50bf33e17df9

Here Video goes into detail about how he came about and approached the refund, stating he "went off Pie's word" in regards to how much $ Pie scammed from ME. In all, accepting the person who scammed's word over mine.

Exhibit 5: http://gyazo.com/f891dc5f7b7d969ca7704cfbee8865f3

This is where he goes on to elaborate that MY money's best interest is to be in their hands. Additionally bringing forth the fact that this entire thing was biased and out of control. He states "There's a banned user and a user with solid rep", which is what he based all of his actions off of. Not the proof at hand, not with due process; simply someone's word.

Exhibit 6: http://gyazo.com/64ae4eebb3c04f3363ac41d49da04c41

Telling me that I have to prove something, when in reality im not the person in question here Wolf/MEP is. THEY have the gold, THEY are making the claims, so THEY are the ones who need to provide sufficient proof that I have a debt with them. This has by no means been done, and this whole situation has snowballed out of Video's mistreatment of myself.

Exhibit 7, 8, 9 : March 19: http://gyazo.com/29fb35a5a893c8dc6eae537f6e4c9356
April 4th: http://gyazo.com/60607f1c2b6ff9a73b7838ddc6d28728
That is the earliest record on this pc, ill get the earlier messages off my phone later.
This shows that Roary had attempted REPEATEDLY to get Video to provide the proof that there was a debt, but again Video negligently proceeded to ignore it even though he was beyond active.

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You all can go on and on attempting to catch me on a technicality which will never happen, when in reality you have that little voice in the back of your head saying "Wow, we fucked up". So when you eventually allow that voice to speak to you, and allow you to rationalize what has occurred; i'll be here. Waiting, as i have already done so for over a month.

G'day.
More will be added shortly when i get all of the conversation off my phone etc. There's far more at play here. just need time to prep it.

G U N · Apr 13, 2015

DO NOT MERGE, SINCE NOBODY CAN GET THE POINT.

First off, you guys just unbanned Pie Overlord without repayment of my 170M 07. Additionally, you're neglecting my cases solely because I'm a banned user on sythe and have a shitty past (which has been clean in the past months). Nothing is being handled correctly; per normal Sythe disputes which is sad on staff's part.

Video has done nothing but run everyone in circles. Has not provided a lick of evidence of debt, continually told Roary he will forward the "evidence" and failed to do so for 3 weeks.

These things were opened early March; possibly sooner, and are still sitting there dormant because of their own self pity. Get your shit together, honestly. I'm not even being an asshole in this situation, staff is simply showing extreme disrespect in this case when they should be doing their job in an unbiased manner.

cya.