RsJunkie Scammer (Will not refund)

Seller's Sythe profile link: http://www.sythe.org/members/421266-rsjunkie.html

Explanation of the trade: I pm'd him regarding an account he had. We then set an agreed price and moved forward with the trade. The initial trade went well I went first paying him 220m and then he gave me access to the account. Now he did not give me much of the creation information to the account but non the less I moved the email over to mine, changed the password and so on. Now yesterday I went to log into the account, it came up as your account is locked, "Recover Account". When I tried to recover the account, the first thing it should as is what is your current email and we will send you with a password reset link. But somehow my email was removed off the account which leads me to think that someone has put in a ticket via the Runescape account help department and they got it locked with the email removed. So then i tried with the information he had given me, but had no luck with Jagex declining it. I pm'd him on Skype asking him to see what was going on with the account, but he quickly denied having anything to do with it, but offered to put in a recovery of his own. I clearly told him that if this is denied I would want a full refund as it obviously isn't safe to keep the account. Today when I messaged him he told me it was denied but he will put in another form to recover. I asked him for a refund as it obviously is not safe nor has he given me the correct information on the account and he quickly says that there is no such thing as refund.

Sythe PM picture:

Skype profile ID & conversation pictures:
(The following screenshots are when I purchased the account)

Skype profile

confirming where we are meeting + Pm'd on sythe

confirming payment + giving me information on the account

just confirming im on the account and what not




(The next set of images are after the account was locked)

when the account was locked and I first messaged him on Skype

claims when I posted a picture on sythe, it redflagged the account


doesn't like how I messaged him about the account being locked and appeal denied.


when I asked today about his appeal (24 hours later) he says he was denied.

does not want to refund me but offers to put in another appeal


Other relevant trade screenshots:

screenshot of me paying

trade accepted.

Now finally I would like a full refund on the account as it is impossible to remove someone email off the account completely unless you file a ticket to Jagex who manually do it themselves and lock the account until the original owner recovers it. Thus the question who filed in a ticket and attempted to recover it. Therefore I do not feel safe with this account at all and would like a refund of the money I paid. Would like someone opinion on the matter and if they can contact rsjunkie.

Thanks!

 

Still have not received the account or refund and its been 2
Days.

 

Hello,

iLikenames bought a level 3 Runescape account from me with a firecape. The account is very sensitive and should be discrete. We both discussed the chances and potentials of this account in terms of anything happening to it. The account is LOCKED, not recovered back or changed the password.

I gave him all the information (previous passwords, previous RSN's, billing information, ISP, Location of account being created, etc.)

He also asked to change the e-mail to his and I did so and the account was under his e-mail.

The account is currently locked, it hasn't been recovered or the password changed. Runescape accounts don't get locked when a person is trying to recover it.

After him buying the account by several hours, he posted a thread for the account to be sold. Im suspecting that he didn't like the account and he locked it so he can get a refund. Before all this happened, he was always implying to me over Skype that he needs to sell the account and he needs the gold.

I have attempted to recover the account and it got denied.

I have done lots of transactions and never have been scammed nor scammed anyone nor do I plan to. All my trades are 100% successful.

I personally think he locked the account on purpose so he can report this and he can get a full refund and put the blame on me.

Please contact me through PM or via Skype (rsjunkiee) to discuss this. I'm willing to cooperate with Sythe moderators toreach to a compromise.

Thanks a bunch!

 

This is a reply to RsJunkie thread: http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1805432-reply-ilikenames.html

Now the first thing wrong with what he has said is all accounts are treated equally by jagex unless it is ofcourse a PMod account. Second of all no account is just locked and gets their attached email removed unless it is ticketed to Jagex via their new ticketing system which a JMod actually uses information you have provided, and not the account recovery process. That is the only way to get an email removed off the account, if the right information was provided therefore resulting in the account being locked.

Completely wrong, Accounts do get locked when someone provide a ticket to jagex with all the correct details to the account and jagex deems they are the owner of the account it will be locked and they will ask them to fill out the Account recovery page with the creation details of the account to make sure that they are the owner.

Yes I did create a thread on the account to sell, but it was not because I did not like the account rather more to make some money. Now with the suspecting I did not like the account, there is no way for me to lock the account with the information you provided me yet I could not unlock it using that exact information. Like I stated before, an account being locked and not locked due to attempt of recovery will not, and I repeat will not get the email address linked to the account removed yet somehow it has on this account.

How does the original owner of the account, using the same ip that jagex has seen on the account since creation get denied on their own account. Just doesn't seem right.

Once again how can I lock the account, if the information you have provided is not accurate. Jagex will not just lock an account if you ask them too lock an account for you, they will run checks on the account to see who is in control of the account and does not just do it out of the blue.

Like Ive said how can I trust an account that the original owner cannot even recover using the information, nor could I recover using the information he provided to me. I never played the account, never made it members or anything, simply just left it in f2p for 2 days before this happened and when approached he quickly denied having anything to do with it and what not.
Its been 3 days now with him being denied and so I do think I deserve a refund as he does not have the correct information to the account and provided me with false information.

Thanks~

 

day 3 and still no result! would like this resolved please.

 

well its been 4 days now, and yet no account/refund and not a word from rsjunkie. And no sythe leader has contacted me about it nor have they taken any action. Would like to get this matter resolved.

 

Well this is continued from: http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1804980-rsjunkie-scammer-will-not-refund.html & http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1805482-reply-rsjunkie.html

Today he messages me on Skype asking me to reach a compromise with him on the current issue. I asked for a full refund and he said no, and when I asked if he was the original owner of the account he said he was. Now he has been denied time and time on recovering this account he created. He turned around saying he will only pay me back 110m of the 220m I paid.







Now not only has he sold me an account which is unsafe, but he sold me an account he himself claims he cant recover nor could I recover it. Like ive claimed in my other thread the only way to remove a email off an account is by ticketing jagex and I can prove this with my other account that I tried it on and Jagex responded immediately to. If any sythe mod would like to see this please pm me. So this just reiterates that RsJunkie without a doubt has scammed me out 220m and thinks by paying me 110m its going to resolve the issue.

Id like a Sythe Mod to reply and to either get them to refund me fully or to just ban them for scamming as its an obvious scam.

Thanks

 

Merged everything into one thread. Looking into this but account scams are more complicated so please be patient.

 

Thanks for the reply look forward to hearing back!

 

@iLikeNames -- In this case the account is locked, but as of right now there is no evidence that RS Junkie initiated the lock. Jagex locks accounts for many reasons. One of which is when the IP address on an account changes suspiciously. Sometimes they lock accounts in place of a ban (and never unlock them).

Ultimately, it's very difficult to establish who has possession of the character. One thing we must assume is that only you and RS Junkie have the information to the account.

@iLikeNames - You have two options.

Option 1 = Take a 110m refund from RS Junkie, and if the account is unlocked, return it to RS Junkie and he can provide a refund for the remaining balance.

Option 2 = Take a 110m refund from RS Junkie, and return the gold to him if the account is unlocked, at which point he will provide you with the account back.

Let this be a lesson that account trading is sketchy and difficult to moderate! You are always taking a risk when doing an account trade.

 

I understand that jagex locks account for many reason but when an account is locked, Jagex do not remove the current email attached off of it. And in the case of a ban, I have a few banned account that still have the selected email address attached even though they are banned.
Also they wouldn't give an option to recover and get denied with the correct information and off the ip that the account was created.
These few points need to be taken heavily into consideration.

Thanks R2Pleasent!

Edited:
Now when I try logging into the account I get this message:


It quiet simple to unlock the account, by filling out the password recovery test using information such as previous passwords, location of account creation, billing details. Jagex returns account near instant if just a few of these things are correct. Yet he can not and keeps getting denied for it therefore he sold me an account that he said he had full details of and was the original owner of but in actual fact did not have the correct information nor did he provide me with it.

Therefore its a scam on his part towards me and only a full refund will suffice the issue at hand.

 

If you read the solutions I provide, both of them account for the situation where the account is unlocked. While it is locked nobody has ownership of the account. Once it is unlocked you will receive the account back or the remaining 110M (your choice).

 

But my main point to your R2 and would like you to take into consideration is that, in all past cases of locked accounts it is the sellers responsible to unlock the account and give it back to you or face a ban.

In the following case the account was locked and seems to be recovered by the owner and did not give it back to the buyer. http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1801305-lambtoe-scammer.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1796511-chloecat-recovered-account.html
The account was recovered a short time later, and the information provided by the owner was being denied and therefore resulting in her ban.
Another case that has a large effect on this is the following case:

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1794588-scammer-cunnilinguslover.html
That's another case of where it says account has been locked.

In all cases the seller of the account is responsible for recovering the account as they are the original owners. Therefore id like you to take into consideration from other reports of people accounts being locked and what has happened and ask RsJunkie to give me a full refund or to ban them as I was clearly scammed. I asked him multiple times before buying the account if he was indeed to original owner and to what he answered yes and if the account was safe to which he also said yes. Therefore I was scammed as he claims to have been 'denied' on his recovery process and I was also denied with what information he provided. So please take these vital points into account, as the account is obviously locked by someone with the right information and was able to remove my email off of the account.

Thanks!

 

iLikenames has been stating the past couple of posts that I am not the original owner, if any mod can privately ask him what the log in name and then verify with Arcus, Nina, Lili, Busta, Shine, R2Pleasant or anyone that I sold to gold then they would know that the log in is indeed my real first and last name.

 

His argument that you aren't the original owner has no merit. It's based purely on opinion.

 

Sorry man, welcome to the sketchy world of account buying. My decision here is final, you can accept the 110M and await the unlock process, or handle it privately with him. While an account is locked, neither party has possession of the account. At the moment you are -220M, he is even (assuming the account is worth the amount you paid -- 220M). If you are refunded 110M, you are both now -110M, since the account has 0 value while it is locked.

As mentioned before, once the account is locked you can buy it back for 110M, or he can keep the account and give you the rest of the owed amount. I do not feel the seller should bear 100% responsibility in the case of a ban or lock on the account. You knew yourself that a Level 3 character with Firecape was bug abused in the first place. There are just too many possible reasons the account has been locked.

 

bug abused from 2012 and ironically gets locked 2 days after I purchase it. Beyond the point the fact its locked and he has not provided me with the right details is more of a worry to me as he lied while selling an account which is a Scam. Yes a scamming by saying he has all the info of the account when in true he either doesn't or has provided me with false information. This is without a shadow of a doubt as scam and you obviously can not see it.

If you not going to look at the information properly and decide on the right steps to take id like another Sythe mod to look at this issue and sort it out as id rather get nothing back and have him banned then be scammed 220m on an account which is locked on the belief it was stolen and the owner putting in a ticket for it.

Yes that is what has happened a ticket was put in to have the account locked and released off of my email.

 

@RsJunkie I already know you are the original owner but my main concern is to why you have failed to recover the account over and over when jagex near instantly unlocks them as soon as they see the original ip of the account creator. That does no add up and what more is the simple fact my email was removed off the account and jagex do not remove any email unless the account was ticketed as stolen.

Thanks for the obvious scam hopefully a Sythe mod can see this

 

Okay, well I will let another mod weigh in for fairness.

 

Ty R2, appreciate the help!