Why the christian God is impossible - Chad Docterman

There is no such thing as a "perfect" apple seed. Theres something "wrong" with everything.

You don't know me, I don't blame you.

 

First off, the Bible is the reason many christians have become atheists, because even though your preacher/pastor may have told you that it has no contradictions, they are there. I believed everything I was fed by my pastor at one point, but started reading on my own and found sites like the sceptics annotated bible (or something like that) and other sites that show all of the contradictions it has. Plus if you honestly look at the Bible without presuming first that everything is true, you will see how silly most of the things in it are. Second, the only people that are afraid of it are those who have never been exposed to it. I'm an ex-Christian, and I'm not afraid of it in any way at all, I've just realized how illogical and unrealistic its concepts are. Third, as far as the sinful lives thing goes, I think that is just a hook to get certain type of people turn to Christianity. Some people have to always have some type of struggle or goal in thier lives to function correctly, and religion, Christianity especially, is just some way to get it out of thier system. If i truly believed in some higher deity that has more of a right to rule my life than I do, then I would have no trouble giving up my "sinful" life, as I did when I did believe in this horrible nonsense.

 

(all this is asuming the truth of the Christian faiith)

well im sure that he does have the ability, and that he could at any time, and that it wouldnt matter because he is perfect. The ten commandments say not to kill, but God did, does this make him imperfect? No, he's perfect so it's ok for him to do whatever he wants, because he is the one setting the standards for perfection. This can be applied to greed as well. If God was to feel greed at any given time, it wouldn't matter, because all he has to do is say that it's ok, and it is.

Well, since God has always been there, and we know that there was a point in which he did created everything, so there had to be a point before he created everything.

All that is just really deep theology which I have neither the faith or the background to explain. But, as far as the ability to sin, I dont think it's possible for God to sin. Sinning is disobeying God, and God can't go against his own wishes.

 

so untrue i might cry this is definately not a proven fact. because watches DO NOT go with actual time, if time actually were to speed up by going deep to the earth's core a watch would simpily click after a minuet on the crust. the faster we age... how is this proven, yes yes i know the bible isn't proven but it is so much more belivable that there is a God who created all thing, who cares for us, and saves us and WE SCREWED UP we fell into the devils tempation. you might argue that God would not let the devil into his perfect world but he created us to have a free will and would not just make us robots doing everything right.

secondly, the meaning of life then? life is best described as a test, the devil turned against God, he was an Angel of God who rebelled against God and was punished. the devil wants YOU to suffer with him. he tempts us God wants to test us.

third, why is there suffering? suffering is not caused by God is is caused by us and the devil i will edit soon i gtg

 

I agree totally and i have no idea why the guy who started this post did it I am a christian and I belive there is a god and until you prove the bible fasle i'll never believe you. Also dont use large words as the average human cannot understand their definition.

 

ok the thing about aging faster I think is bullshit, but how is it logical to believe writings from thousands of years ago that are full of contradictions, wrong theorys of astronomy, and the concept of spiritual matters that simply can't be proven true? If you read what you just wrote it doesn't disprove anything Docterman said at all.

Why would God create life as a test when he already knows what the results would be? What could he possibly gain from putting something into action which he already knows the outcome?

Jesus said "I did not come to bring peace, I came with a sword", rough translation, but you get the idea. Plus, God created Satan in the first place knowing the suffering that he would cause, so God could have not created Satan and thus prevented the suffering. So who causes suffering? Satan directly, but God indirectly.

 

If you read up on the contradictions in the bible, you will find that they are there, which may not prove the Bible false to you, but its a start. Turning that around, can YOU prove to ME that the Bible is true? Didn't think so, which means you are living on blind faith. And as far as the large words go the guy that wrote this is a very intelligent man so I guess he's earned the right to use large words...

 

Omniscient/Omnipowerful does not equal perfect.

Oh, and God does have all the emotions humans do

God = Jesus
Jesus = Part Human, Part Omnipowerful God

If Jesus was human, he would have all the emotions god gave humans.

 

And you live for nothing, who's life is more meaningful now?

Oh, and the great thing about the bible, the New Testament was written by many people, and some of the stories come out the same. You can't really prove the Bible is true or not, but then again I'd rather live my life with something to await for in the end than live my life with nothing waiting for me at the end.

 

Well if you want to live your life with hope that there is something better at the end, then go for it, but as for me, I believe that this life is all I'm gonna have, and I might as well live it to the fullest. What do I live for? I live because I believe that I can transcend above all the nonsense of this world and find the answers for myself without relying on age-old texts and brainwashing sermons to give to me. I live my life to enjoy it, not to throw it away to a religion that can't be proven for an afterlife that might not exist.

And yes some of the stories did come out similiar, but there are small contradictions in some of them, I can't tell you which off-hand, but sites like the skeptics annotated bible and other anti-christian sites have lists of them.

 

You live to find out the mysteries of this world? To find out the answers without being associated with a religion?


Your life sucks, kill yourself nao.

 

How would you know if my life sucks? I know that your life sucks, because I have been there. I am an ex-Christian and I know what it's like to blindly follow a religion, but do YOU know what its to want to find answers for yourself? Personally, the only thing that sucks about my life is that I lack the guts to tell everyone around my about my new beliefs, since I live in an overly religous town in Arkansas. Since I became an athiest I am the happiest I have ever been, because I'm willing to admit that religion doesn't solve life's problems like it was intended to.

 

dude u r on to nothing, so how do u beleive the world was created? the very existance of matter is proof that theres a higher being

 

Who says the world had to be created to exist? Maybe the universe has always been here, maybe it started as a mass of energy that exploded and created all the matter we call the universe, or maybe the univverse is actually a pimple on the behind of a giant pink elephant, the fact is that we don't know, and since we have no scientific explanation that's logical, where do we turn? To the illogical explanation of religion.

 

dude get a religion you idiot and also get a life you retard there is a God and you have no right to tell me there isn't religion is believing something you cant see also y would some right a huge book over stuff that never happene ur a frekin phsyco

 

First, I have every right right to state my beliefs, second, learn some grammar skills, third the bible was written by many different authors, not just one, fourth, can you prove to me that there is a God? Or that the events in the Bible really happened? Do you honestly think that humans built a tower so far that it reached the heavens when we don't have the technology today for it? Or that every species of animal was contained in one ship? Fifth, I'm not the one who blindly follows a religion without proof, so what right do you have to call me a psycho? I'm the one who listens to reason, and believes in logic, not ancient texts.

edit: you were probably talking to the author, but I'm an athiest too and take just as much offense to it.

 

Infracted, see PM

 

Organized Religion : Opiate of the Masses.

Think about it, it would be insanely difficult to control people who have nothing in common. So GIVE them something (religion for the slower kids) and then use it to control them.

Also.

 

I have a few quick ideas.

1. I am Christian, but I also firmly beleive in logic and due processes. Why cant there be both? If the Big Bang DID happen, who's to say that the Lord didnt cause it? Or (and i don't personally beleive this) who's to say entities WEREN'T made up to control the masses? We all have a freedom to beleive what we want and shouldn't bash each other about it or try to convert atheists to Christianity, or vice versa.

2. As said before, I am Christian, but i have like ten atheist friends. We DO discuss the possibilities of God, but not in heated arguments. We just say our points and the logic behind them, and never get into fights about them. I think that there is way too much argument about religion in the world today, and people should be able to beleive whatever they want without persecuition.

3. Atheists, you will never be able to prove that the Bible is false because there will always be faith, blind faith as you call it, and that is how I operate my life, on the Bible and on faith. Christians, we will never be able to prove thet the Bible IS true, because of logic and evidence.

Just some ideas, in case anyone wants to read em.

Also, that picture itself (above) is completely illogical, never saw that in my life.