Feminists going too far?

The basic rundown: Kaley Cuoco was attacked by feminists for saying she isn't a feminist and enjoys cooking for her man in a redbook magazine interview. Because of all the negative attention she was receiving, she felt the need to apologize for not being a feminist.

What the hell?

Spoiler: Sources

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...s-for-saying-shes-not-a-feminist-9956393.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/04/kaley-cuoco-feminism_n_6413552.html

I thought the feminist movement was about women having the option to make choices for themselves. By attacking other women for having different views, you then make yourselves look like hypocrites. When did it become a bad thing for women to like having traditional values?

Modern feminism is a twisted cult.

Thoughts?

 

You can be traditional and a feminist. Saying you're not a feminist is saying you don't think men and women should be treated equally. Equally doesn't mean women can't cook for men - it means one isn't suppressed.

There are radical people out there that people think are the be all and end all of feminism. These radical people have been around since feminist movements came about with suffragettes and so on; it's not new or modern anything. People just hype it up to make people be turned off by the word feminism.

 

Seems very hypocritical in my eyes. Roary basically said it all so I wont bore you with the exact same facts. +1

 

That is the most ridiculous statement ever. I believe that men and women should be treated equally and I am not a feminist. Implying that you must be a feminist to believe that men and women should be treated equally is self defeating because your argument implies that females are not equal and females are subjugated.

 

Feminism has been used to mean so many things, that it is now a vacant concept. If you're a feminist does it mean you support equality before the law for women, or equality of outcome, or equality of opportunity, equal treatment, a combination, or perhaps you're a femme-nazi. The end result of the uncertainty over what it means to actually be a feminist is being abused for not being feminist, whatever the hell it means.

As for this your, statement is too vague if you were talking about equality in general; equality before the law and equality of outcome are contradictory ideologies for example. If you meant actions towards women, what about this.

What about if men treat women in general equally or better than they do other men, or vice versa. Is this acceptable?

 

What if you think the magnitude of inequality is on par for both men and women alike? Kaley says in the interview that she has never experienced any inequality as a woman, thus the need to push for advocacy isn't there. You can very well support gender equality without being labeled a feminist, and I think that's what she was aiming for. Feminists are known to oppress and dehumanize men for their interpreted actions. This can be seen in a lot of propaganda pushed by the group. I don't think extremists were the majority who participated in the verbal attack, rather ignorant people who jumped on the bandwagon that took what she said out of context.

 

Except Suffragettes had a very real reason of trying to get the right to vote, This 'radical feminism' we see these days is warped and really half of the time misses any kind of justifiable point whatsoever.

 

People who ADVOCATE for equality between men and women are feminists. Saying that you think men and women should be equal does not make you a feminist. And when I say equality I mean by law, not by social standards. Socially very simply men and women are not equal as can be explained by anyone who has taken a basic biology or anatomy course (and I'm not talking about different genitalia, I'm taking about the whole difference in physiology, psychology, and sociology behind the genders).


OT: The people in the OP aren't feminists, they're feminazis. Unfortunately with the growing use of technology, these modern "feminists" hide behind computer screens much like internet trolls and bash on men or anything resembling a patriarchy. I've read fine feminist literature from the beginning of the feminist wave and it's quite phenomenal. Feminism was created as a way to break the institution of marriage and the barriers it posed for a woman. God knows what it is now.

 

@xier0

Nuh uh. If racism magically disappeared over night would *hypothetical you* stop supporting movements that stand for equality in races? Whether oppression is or is not a reality is a separate debate/topic. ((Plus it is very much a reality. Middle eastern women in some cases aren't allowed to go to school and be educated.))​

@malaka

No. Lol? That's not equal. Equal in the sense that someone doesn't make a judgement BASED ON gender or sex.​

@Ghast

It does. And most feminists I know or whose activism I support widely acknowledge and post about male stereotypes and forced societal gender roles/oppression. You just hear about all these crazy viewpoints being slapped with the "this is what feminism is" label. It gets headlines and arguments and ultimately, money for the media organisation spreading it around. ​

@incize

So do women today. But there were women back then who also tried to say that women should eradicate men or overpower men, be treated better than men etc. That's what I mean. When I say radical I mean anti-men - which is contradictory of what feminism is​

@Hamouze

You don't need to advocate to be a feminist. You can choose to say you are not one but ultimately you pretty much are just without the label. Advocating doesn't make you any more of X, Y, Z.​

 

Roary, people who want equal political laws and such for men and women aren't feminists, they're just logical. Sure, the scale tips more towards men because practically every civilization in existence does so. We should fix that. Is that feminism? I wrote in my previous post the origins of feminism; if you read some old feminist literature you'd realize that feminism was a way to break away from the institution of marriage and give women basic human rights. That's no longer feminism. The definition of feminism has become so misconstrued, vague, and virtually nonexistent that it's hard to truly find real advocates and those who can be labeled as "feminists".

 

Neofeminism, for lack of a better term, would focus on what human rights thay aren't currently given to women?

I understand, as Roary stated, that women in certain cultures are suppressed. Key term, certain cultures. It is their culture though, and we have no right interfering with the values they embrace. Quite a lot of women enjoy being dominated by men.

Women are naturally maternal, family oriented, and have deeper emotions when it comes to love and protectiveness. It is in their genetic makeup.

So when you say that we need to balance the scales, what do you suggest be given to women? They have the right to citizenship, vote, run for government elected positions, give birth, eat food, have a job, own a company. Women are not suppressed in the civilized world.

You may think, a woman has never been president. Consider the natural emotions that could possibly overwhelm a womans duty to her nation. It is risky business, in my opinion. She would have to be an unnaturally cold woman, to put her feminine instincts behind, but that's dangerous in itself.

So in my opinion, in response to OP, is that feminist activists are not necessarily going too far, they're just pointless. They have nothing to fight for in developed culture, and any feminist movement within a suppressive culture would only be effective if it comes from within. They can't force a culture to agree with their views. That's like attacking a world trade center for "holding the cross."

 

Lol that sentence is so sexist, you're saying a woman, because she is a woman, would get overwhelmed with emotions because of responsibility?

You were doing so well before you said this, All those things you mention are Maternal instincts rather than being 'female' - However you're missing the point of equality - its the point that it should be any humans choice to do whatever they want and not be challenged for it based on things out of their control, such as being female and therefore must be maternal/motherly.

And uh, Look at Margaret Thatcher.

 

The feminism movement does not want equality, they are a hate group which lobbies for their own interests, just like WBC, and the gay etc heterophobic movement.

This poor woman that the feminists brutally targeted didn't say that women should not be allowed to go to school and be educated. She said she likes to cook for her husband. The inequality here isn't women being exploited, it is the feminist movement attacking anyone who doesn't say things in the same way that agrees with their propaganda. Women have MORE RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW THEN MEN.

WHICH IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF INEQUALITY AND IS WRITTEN IN OUR LAWS.

As such, the feminist movement is a group that advocates for inequality of the sexes. Equality of the sexes means just that - it doesn't have to advocate for either of them, or it is self defeating.

 

All I can say, is I'm entitled to my opinion.

I wouldn't go so far as saying I'm sexist, but I don't believe men should be led by women. Or that it would go well if attempted. I believe men are more efficient.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for a woman to be a leader. That's just me, but if the majority vote says yes, I wouldn't raise a stink.

I actually recently has this conversation with a lesbian woman, with a dwindling hate for men and their "lust for power", etc. She ensures me that although she has such strong views, men make better leaders.

I wouldn't focus so much on this particular statement I made, it was simply an opinionated example.

On the other hand, I support womens rights.

 

You're grossly misinformed and just hyping up a small proportion of people who claim to be feminist. Plus, on the internet, you have to account for trolls and younger people who jump on a bandwagon on these news posts. If you discuss or talk to feminists in real life probably hardly any of them are like these small groups of individuals that call themselves feminist.

If gay rights folk started aaying death to straight people and straight people are wrong you wouldn't assume the entirety of the gay community was hateful against non-gay folk? At least I hope not.

 

You're absolutely right.

Media controls the simple minded.

 

This isn't how anybody uses the word today. What you're talking about has a word: it's call egalitarianism. Feminism was a movement for women's suffrage, equality under the law, etc.

After the original wave died, a bunch of disparate groups--many of them nutty as hell--co-opted it and played the semantics game you're playing: "YOU BETTER BE A FEMINIST OR YOU'RE AGAINST GENDER EQUALITY. Blah blah blah..."

Whatever. It's time the word be retired--it serves to purpose other than to confuse the issue because crazy people--crazy women, largely, but some men too--run around calling themselves feminists who don't believe in equality under the law: They believe in misandry, that women are superior to men.

Sadly, people forget the distinction between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. And when people run around calling themselves "feminists," they aren't helping.

And American feminists spend time advocating for the rights of middle eastern women? They spend most of their time fighting imagined battles over imagined issues. When you call yourself a feminist, you associate yourself with a radical group of feminazis today who have co-opted the word: And this does nothing to promote gender equality in religiously extremist societies outside of the West.

And it's your job or the government's job to force people how to think "properly"? What is this, the Soviet Union? You're promoting a totalitarian religious ideology the same as the misogynists in Islamist states.

"Gender stereotypes." Stop speaking in feigned absolutes--there is no "society" that forces "gender stereotypes" on "little girls."

There are only individuals who--to a lesser or greater degree--believe in different conceptions of gender and sexuality. Some of these people have beliefs that you might label as "stereotypical" and they might teach them to their children. Others don't.

What is your suggested method of changing the way an entire population thinks? And is there any evidence it works--that it has ever worked? And do you really think its worth whatever freedom you're necessarily giving up? And do the people whose freedom you're taking agree with you?

Again, word games. A waste of time.

Women do tend to be more emotional than men. And men do tend to be more sociopathic--and therefore hard-hitting--than women.

At least in my experience. Is yours really that different? Do you really mean to claim that the only difference between men and women is their genitals--even when their brain structures and chromosomal compositions are completely different?

 

We could break it down, to be more polite towards the feminist, and just say they are softer, more loving, gentle.

 

It's a friendly discussion.. D:

It is how some people do

Well I've never been in America but if it's anywhere like here then yes, absolutely.

Absurd assumption

When people come in to a positive group and tarnish it's image it doesn't mean the group should now be abandoned and given a new meaning totally opposite to what (I think) it's standing for

An open minded person discussing their opinion freely on a subjective concept is the same as a totalitarian Islamic state?

Clearly no human group, however you divvy them up, fits a generalised societal stereotype. That's common sense in itself, not ideology. I'm forcing nobody; I accept fully the diverse opinions and realise the world will never agree on anything collectively. That's cool. Discussions are healthy to challenge your own thought process; all I'm doing is engaging in discussion to challenge and possibly better my opinion.

There is a societal norm expected of both sexes. And yea, some parents teach their children stereotypical generalisations but they don't work. All people of one sex are not one thing.

I dont need a method to change the world to cite an opinion that I'm pretty open to changing as I, like any human, educates themself. Thus far, I believe my opinion to be suited to what I think and know about the world around me - that's usually what opinions are, yeah? I dont feel like I'm giving up or taking away any freedom by saying that to me feminism is a movement of equality.

No need to be rude

Perhaps. But one term doesn't fit all.

Did I say that?

EDITTT: Mb, on mobile, last part wasn't for me ((;

 

The whole feminism has gone way too far in certain aspects. I believe that everyone should be treated equally no matter what race, age or gender. It seems now that women get many perks thanks to feminism, for example:


Women can retire at 60; men 65

Women get 8 weeks maternity; men only 2

Women get cheaper car insurance

Women get more money from court cases (especially divorce)- 50% of wealth exploited by many...

Women are still not expected to work

Women look after kids following a divorce.

Males who are sexually/physically abused are not taken seriously in court.

Female criminals serve less time in jail for equivalent crimes.

Far more funding going into women's healthy; when was the last time you've seen a leaflet about testicular cancer (yet this is the most commen cancer in young men)?

Mother's day is very important, but father's day is virtually ignored.

Males support female charities (eg breast cancer) when women don't support male charities (eg testicular cancer).

Th teaching style at schools favours females

Men buy gifts and look after the women in relationships when the women may not do anything.

There are many taboo such as "open doors for women" and "ladies first" etc that apply only to women.

There are many "women only" organisations. This is discrimination at it's worst and needs to be sorted out.

I'm sure there are loads more arguments. I know there are opposing arguments that I'll love to hear, but that's not really the aim of my question. The aim of feminism is EQUALITY. Overall, women and men may be treated similarly, however why is there such a difference between certain aspects. The see saw may be balanced, but only because there are equal gender flaws and advantages for both genders.