Stick to one thread = bad for business

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Stick to one thread = bad for business
  1. Unread #1 - Jul 27, 2014 at 9:00 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007...-selling-07-gmaul-pure-quested-low-level.html

    Why was this locked?

    "Stick to one thread"

    It's not like i'm making an army of low level quested GMaulers. Thread titles can only be so long. It's only two accounts and they are drastically different. Is me having two threads really clogging up the forum? I need two thread because my products are so different. I need the titles to advertise the account I am selling. Why would I put the accounts under one thread?

    Also, the moderators don't even seem to be agreeing with each other. I'm willing to guess "stick to one thread" is why this was originally locked

    http://www.sythe.org/report-spammer-archive/1737767-reported-post-snowbear.html

    It was immediately opened.

    I followed the 8 hour bump rule. There were no violations of it. I do not have two threads for the purpose of post account. I didn't take advantage of anything.

    tl;dr I don't think I need to stick to one thread. If there's a rule regarding this it should be modified to only include account shops -- people that make accounts purely for the purpose of selling them. I made 2 accounts as side projects, I do not plan to produce anymore in the near future. Once the accounts are sold those threads will be locked and forgotten about.

    Edit: Tried to make 1 thread title:
    [$1k+ Handled/25+ Vouches] Selling low level, quested gmauler AND Starter Pure w/ 96
    That's as many characters as I have. I don't have any bright ideas as to how to modify it. Also tried
    [$1k+ Handled/25+ Vouches] Selling 2 Starter Pures (Quested Gmauler & 96 fletching)
    But that would lead someone to believe the quested gmauler has the 96 fletching and is ambiguous... Going to modify the first part but that hurts business because I lose that indication of trust & it's less eye catching.
     
  3. Unread #2 - Jul 27, 2014 at 9:30 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    Why do you need two threads?
     
  5. Unread #3 - Jul 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    It's not like i'm making an army of low level quested GMaulers. Thread titles can only be so long. It's only two accounts and they are drastically different. Is me having two threads really clogging up the forum? I need two threads because my products are so different. I need the titles to advertise the account I am selling. Why would I put the accounts under one thread?

    tl;dr
    Long title saying selling ___ and ___ (Which I may not even have enough thread title space for) also to expand on "Bad for business" it's proven economics that titles are important. Succinct and descriptive are two essential qualities, being crammed for space to advertise two different products under one title isn't eye catching/effective. What harm am I causing by having two threads?
     
  7. Unread #4 - Jul 27, 2014 at 9:58 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    You should be allowed to make two different threads if you have two different accounts. It's common sense.

    It's personal preference. He did not break the rules, so it's not in your judgment to decide if he or she should have one thread.
     
  9. Unread #5 - Jul 27, 2014 at 10:02 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    I didn't close his thread.
     
  11. Unread #6 - Jul 27, 2014 at 10:04 AM
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    I know, I'm just saying.
     
  13. Unread #7 - Jul 27, 2014 at 10:06 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    Rules in that section are pretty clear:
    http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007...es-what-belongs-here-read-before-posting.html

    I don't see why you would need 2 threads, one account shop with an appropriate title should get enough views, even if the accounts are very different.
     
  15. Unread #8 - Jul 27, 2014 at 10:11 AM
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    That rule must have been changed recently. I sold two different accounts on two different threads before. Why I did that? Well like snowbear said, titles can only reach so far, and there is a better chance of one of the two accounts being sold.

    Account shops should be more than 2 accounts being sold.

    You guys are always shouting, "No restrictions in the market!", yet this is installed in the rules. I've noticed something, this site has a lot of awful rules that make absolutely no sense or contradict another rule. I really need to break away from this place.
     
  17. Unread #9 - Jul 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM
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    You aren't supposed to agree with all rules but what you must do is respect them since if they are there its because they wanted it to be like that, and by calling them awful or contradictious you aren't helping but just arguing for nothing. And if you are well known and your product is good i don't see any inconvenient if the seller fits the two accounts in one just by typing in the title "Two accs for sale" instead of flooding the website with tons and tons of accounts. Why then people for example in the steam sales thread put them all on one thread? Or should they make 100 thread pages to sell each one? Completely stupid.
    Between, who shouts that there's no restrictions in the market? I think you're that confused that you're just talking with no clue, you must get used to all. I'll give you an example, if you are a worker in a company and you don't like your job but you keep talking and arguing with your co-workers that the work sucks, the salary is awful and many of the rules are just stupid, wouldn't you get fired by telling that? Or, wouldn't you leave that instead of arguing or trash talking? You either get used to it or you just leave that work, this is the same. Nobody obligates you to stay here or to work in that place, it's common sense, as i stated in the example.
     
  19. Unread #10 - Jul 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    Can we talk about modifying the rule a bit? I really do feel as though the rule limits my ability to conduct business.

    I'm just not seeing where exactly I'm hurting the market or this forum in general by having two threads. I complied with all bump rules. Both of my threads conformed with all rules regarding pictures and all that jazz. What's the big deal if I'd like to have two threads?

    Also, I know moderators saw the two threads. I had one re-opened. Then, what, 2-3 days later one of my threads gets locked?

    I just don't get it, they were overlooked then someone got bored and decided to lock one of them? How do you even choose which thread is locked? My other one wasn't.

    To me, it all seems to be enforced very willy-nilly, sort of on a "when someone feels like it" basis and the actual terms of enforcement (someone probably originally locked the thread, then lean re-opened (stated he didn't know why the thread was locked = why did whoever locked the thread not give a reason for doing so when he did so? That's just sloppy), then I receive another lock, and to reiterate, how does one choose which of the two threads to lock? That's not in the rules anywhere.)

    Steam accounts are different products - each account holds different games/achievements/whatever else (i'm not too familiar with this market) but in the end they are all steam accounts.

    To reword that, if I was selling two granite maul pures then yes, I would make one thread. If I was selling two steam accounts with each having one premium game I'd expect to make one thread. If I was selling one account on Steam specifically because it had a high elo in Dota and another because it was Rank 1 on TF2 or something I don't see why they would need to be in the same thread.

    "tons and tons of accounts" = this is when an account shop would be necessary. One does not simply come across "tons and tons of accounts" as a result of doing some side projects (which is how my two accounts game about).

    If I had "tons and tons of accounts" I would merge them all into one thread.

    "tons and tons of accounts" = I was selling two accounts

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  21. Unread #11 - Jul 27, 2014 at 11:26 AM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    I would not mind this rule being changed to allow users to have 2-3 threads selling different accounts, but no more than that.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Jul 27, 2014 at 11:35 AM
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    I would agree & support a revision at 4 or more accounts requiring one thread, 3 or less, if it can be deemed they are "different" accounts, can be in their individual threads.
     
  25. Unread #13 - Jul 27, 2014 at 12:32 PM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    I dunno, It's kinda annoying seeing the top full of threads by only one person. Really cant see why people aren't able to stay to the same thread. If your selling two different accounts, just say "Selling Two Great Accounts" or whatever and explain what kind of accounts they are in the thread itself.
     
  27. Unread #14 - Jul 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    This is against economics and I gave my side to this point already (eye-catching, effective titles are correlated with successful, fast sales).
     
  29. Unread #15 - Jul 27, 2014 at 12:39 PM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    You can still use bold, Eye catching character, key words, etc.

    Its not going to kill your sales. I know that I go through and look into every thread on a section when I'm looking into something. No matter the title.
     
  31. Unread #16 - Jul 27, 2014 at 12:49 PM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    Don't see the point. If I was looking to buy accounts, I would rather open one thread by one seller and find all his/her accounts listed there rather than open a few more for others.

    Reasoning: Less complication, mix-up and when I'm talking on Skype, I don't have to worry about getting the links messed up. I can just say, account 1 or 2 on the same thread etc.

    Basically, there's nothing wrong with putting multiple accounts in 1 thread, you won't KILL sales lol.

    I do understand that just 2 or 3 threads won't clutter the section that much tho.
     
  33. Unread #17 - Jul 27, 2014 at 1:44 PM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    Anecdotal.

    Anecdotal/Personal preference. Any confusion that occurs is a result of poor trading procedure; I don't expect anyone to send me payment for an ambiguous product, I'm certain that prior to any exchanges the customer will 100% understand what he's buying. I'm not even sure why you're trying to make that point. "Hey, can I buy that one account you had on that one thread here's $30 thanks". If that ever happened to me I'd immediately refund and not deal with such a reckless market user.

    "won't KILL sales" is subjective. All it takes is one person to decide that "oh that thread probably doesn't contain what I'm looking for" and he overlooks it when he would have bought it. That is a killed sale. It's impossible to estimate how long it will take before someone interested in the product will come along.

    tl;dr titles ARE important.
     
  35. Unread #18 - Jul 27, 2014 at 1:51 PM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    You honestly did not get that that was an example and obviously a buyer would ensure that details are spot on before buying and definitely NOT buy an ambiguous product. My point does not state that if you do it the way I mentioned, EVERYONE will buy accounts without verifying details or knowing what they're buying. That's just ridiculous.

    If it really is SO subjective, your best bet is to wait and see what the opinions of the staff and Mods are :)
     
  37. Unread #19 - Jul 27, 2014 at 2:22 PM
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    Stick to one thread = bad for business

    Well no offense to anyone but I'm the one doing the trading, and other users participating in this discussion are doing the trading, in my experience I rarely see staff members participating in the market. (In RS sections at least) So the opinions of actual market users are important.

    Secondly,

     
  39. Unread #20 - Jul 27, 2014 at 2:27 PM
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    I see where you're coming from snow and completely agree.

    Also, if I understood correctly, you didn't even know why it was originally locked. I absolutely hate when I see this happen. Moderators, you need to PM the OP or post before locking as to WHY it was locked - PLEASE
     
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