Mods and ranks need some serious change in security

Great idea, let's shut down the site.

That would be dealt with on a case by case basis.

 

Not just the Market Related thread, but what about big red letters on the front of the Sythe page? They aren't just ordinary members. They are STAFF members who were hacked. I would assume they would want EVERYONE to know.

 

You are just bandwagoning trying to edge out competetion and acting like a child in doing so. You and lago can argue this shit till you are blue in the face but the fact is neither of you know what you are talking about.

This incident is being investigated obviously, you guys acting like children in this thread is JUST making you look bad. Grow up.

 

Totally man! I'm acting like a child! You're just talking out of your ass now. Nobody is edging out competition. I haven't redeemed a Moneypak in over 1 month. His business affects me in almost 0 ways possible. So get off your high horse. You can't even compose a paragraph without throwing a curse word around, yet you have the audacity to call someone a child.

 

Holy fuck lol, this is why the rules were changed recently in regards to this (after n4n0 got hacked IIRC). Skype is super easy to social engineer and take over, and almost everyone who trades is a target. That's why R2P, Arcus, and all of those big traders go through so many Skypes - they're always taken over. Anyone arguing that Leanbean is at fault clearly has no market experience and should read up a little bit on the history of this before talking.

Unless it's proved that Leanbean faked his hacking, then he's not responsible if people never got a PM from him. A PM from a month prior doesn't cut it.

 

And no, it's not special treatment. No user hacked since then has had to pay back if their Skype is hacked. Only if their Sythe is hacked as well and was used to PM them for verification.

 

Why the fuck did you edit all of your posts to be the exact same thing? Sit down and learn how to defend your argument instead of throwing the same post down 20 times.

 

Point made, child.

Also I am the one talking out of my ass? Since I am the one who has no idea how common skype hackings are and how easily someone skype can be hijacked. Without "hacking" of any kind.

Look at you cursing you hypocritical fuck. I see why you have little to no customers you are ignorant to the marketplace and how it works. I dont know why you or any of these other bandwagoners are jumping leans shit, this happens ALL the time. Sad but true.

This x5. These kids will soon be arguing people should reimburse imposters scams because their skype IDs were so similar.

 

He had already asked for a pm verification before because he had traded with him before.

 

A lot happens in a month. You need to request a PM before every trade, this is common knowledge and was amended to the rules when n4n0 got hacked (which apparently isn't so common amongst new market members).

 

You are supposed to ask for a PM for EVERY trade. I've done ~10k+ in trades with Alex2012, and every single trade I made for any amount I get a PM every single time. Anyone who can't afford to lose $2000 needs to be more careful when trading $2000.

 

You should even ask your good friends for PMs. It's not a matter of not trusting them, it's a matter of not trusting the system you're using. Never do a trade without a god damn PM, or you will not be reimbursed if stuff goes wrong. I don't understand why that's such a difficult concept, it's been smashed into your heads ever since you joined the site (stickies about it, user titles about it, signatures about it, etc).

 

Well, it seems more of a matter of opinion now. If it's in the rules to refund a person who got scammed by a hacker and a pm was sent for verification , there should also be a refund if a skype gets hacked and the user already has had a verificational pm.

Why? Because using this flawed logic, (this is an example) I can go Scam 10,000$ from a person i've traded and given a pm before and when the thread reports opens and he shows the pm for god knows how long ago as verification I can simply state "nope I got hacked" and it would be death with.

and honestly, the final verdict on the report thread saying he's shown his "paypal" isn't enough of a clarification. Because ANYONE can create another paypal with a fake identity. then transfer it over slowly slowly to the main paypal.



edit; And for everyone saying "omg u haev to be new to not know that skijp is not safe" and other excuses along the line, read my statement above regarding verification. And don't try reply to me stating i'm new and I don't have a clue how easy skypes are to be recovered, because i've seen the bullshit with ooga and skypes regarding gold sellers.

 

Are you really trying to flame me right now? I don't do business on Sythe right now because I am busy with irl stuff (work/school). I've probably had more business than you will ever have. You really have no room to even talk about customers. Seems as if you haven't had a single one.

 

Yes, you just described exactly why you need to get a PM every time. This is why the new rules were put in to place. I could technically scam someone on my Skype right now and then claim to be hacked and get away with it. This has already been dealt with and discussed when the new rule came out, which is why you need a private message every time you trade with someone. Alternatively you can check the IP of the person on the Skype to see if they're truly hacked.

Whether you like the new rules or not doesn't really matter. Be smart and follow the guidelines and you'll be fine.

 

No fresh PM on a 2,000 dollar trade?

Lol'd.

I've had people request pms for further trades in the same exact chat that another trade had been done minutes before. It's not redundant when it's to protect all parties involved. To not request a fresh PM for a trade of that volume is baffling to me.

A pm should outline the parameters of that exact trade happening, so there will be absolutely no ambiguity in scam reports and such and then the scammed person (usually victim to a hacker) can be reimbursed by the real person.

 

This is not the case. The hacker was continually spamming this message to every user on leanbean's Skype.

Unless a PM wasn't sent for every MoneyPak Redemption leanbean did for this user, then he shouldn't be held responsible.

 

Lol you guys are arguing about day old shit. I changed my post because after this got the attention I wanted it to, it was time to focus on finding the real issue. Not bicker about Skype hacks in the past, or PMs. I guess it didn't really work out though. How about we move onto the fact that Leanbean conveniently doesn't have the email for the info change, because he made the Skype on a throwaway email that he forgot the info. How fucking legit is that? Seems like every time Leanbean is asked to provide anything at all to show he was hacked he can't for one unprovable reason or another, gee seems trustworthy.

YEAH OK SKYPES CAN BE HACKED, how about if your shit gets hacked you put a little effort in and take a tiny bit of responsibility to clear your name. I know if I was a $1000 donor and moderator, I wouldn't just have a bunch of dumb fucking excuses as to why I can't show a single shred of proof that would make this blow over.

By your guys logic I can just take the cash and run each time someone has the audacity to forget to PM me for a trade, no matter when they last PMed me. That doesn't sound like a great system to me.

I understand you request a PM but there are way to many inconsistencies in Leanbeans story to just plug your ears and say, "LALALA DIDNT REQUEST PM LALALA."

Unrelated: Lean from the get go hasn't offered so much as an apology or any sympathy for what has happened. Kind of funny that he keeps saying I'm degrading his character when it doesn't seem like he has much at all.

 

Request a PM, problem solved. Regardless if you've traded the person 100x before, always request a PM.

 

Exactly. If one is not going to take the extra 2 minutes to get a PM outlining the transaction about to take place, with TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS potentially at stake, no less...it's just asking for trouble. If this was for a significantly less amount of money, maybe I could wrap my head around the fact there was no follow-up PM sent. Yes, the chances are slim to none someone gets hacked within the time of one chat, but still, better to be safe than sorry. There's nothing more dangerous than assuming things, especially pertaining to online business.

Also, Koed, I'm sure Lean has supplied evidence internally to the other moderators and admins of the site, so to question Lean's evidence is also questioning the staff team as well as their ability to investigate cases thoroughly and properly.

I just don't see any conceivable way a 1,000 dollar donor risks his entire reputation, business, and standing in the community to get "hacked" and steal 2 grand, when his business likely makes way more than that AND he comes by it honestly.

If he was really that greedy, he wouldn't be a 1k donor in the first place, and he wouldn't have made it this far up the rungs of Sythe.