Y'all need some more mods

The "political standings" of staff has nothing to do with it lol, unless you can show some reasoning why you think that. And by "Admin(s)" I sssume you mean me, but I'm not sure why.

 

Suf, really Darkest Dream wouldn't give you a second thought? Some of the names of this list were actually considered for a staff position in polls however I'll leave it at that. Staff will promote people when the time comes and they are needed.

 

@Chloe.

My opinion and perspective is always unbiased, and honestly, Roary has only had a positive impact on this site. The fact that people are giving him brash about JohnG's pardon is more so because they want someone to blame and or to simply cause drama.

I personally think the current Globals and Admins are the best I've seen during my time here. If Video returned and if we had SuF back on the staff team, it would be perfect - both individuals are/were assets to this site.

The fact that I can approach most of the Upper staff, Richard included, and actually communicate via skype and PM with them is definitely something that would have been a rare occurrence in the past...for me anyway.

Anyway, I sort of went off-topic.

Grave and Syed are both knowledgeable and extremely well versed in most things online, however, lets be honest...I highly doubt they'd want to be staff.

 

Are you truly going to suggest that you always vote without bias on every would-be promotion? Every member of staff both past and present has done this, at least to some degree. You're human, Roary. Staff are far too afraid to actually be themselves because of this kind of garbage.

There are good members that are outed from staff for no real reason other than politics (honestly, Sellerman comes to mind), it's just how shit works sometimes, there's nothing to sugarcoat. It was like that when Sin666/Ryan were in charge. It was like that when Finn was in charge. It is like that when you are in charge.

 

That is a decent way of putting it Fercest. No matter who you are or what you believe in it's impossible to stay entirely neutral when it comes to promotions. For example your friend is a name being thrown around for a promotion obviously considering you guys are friends you have good standing and you probably believe he has positive attributes that could contribute to the team so obviously you'd want him on the team.

 

So saying "a change of admins" (essentially) is a bit harsh, no?

I dont really want to discuss individual names here. But I do believe that if I ever vote no I have valid justification. Admins arent the be all and end all either, we're one vote and not the only ones who can put polls up.

 

Yeah, I think things are particularly unfair. As you can see in my appeal http://www.sythe.org/dispute-forum-archive/1718076-alex_j_leon-pardon-n4n0-trin.html

No one even approved of the thread until 7 hours later, while posts by other people were being approved. No one even replied to it except n4n0 and he denied it with one vote. Nothing I post gets approved, so I was forced to make this account. Noting the reason I made this account was to at least be partially heard, I want to know if there is a legitimate reason for my ban? Seriously, someone explain why everyone else gets support, and they happen to be friends with staff, and I don't. Don't get my tone wrong, I love the Sythechat crew, but I'm being used as a scapegoat for this n4n0-Trin ordeal and it's unjust.

All I want is a reason, or to at least know what sets me apart.

 

personal grudge, it's pretty sad to see the rules being bent over this because he has a point even though the ordeal involved n4n0 and trin it is still a staff decision as to whether someone should be allowed back not the sole opinion of one admin.

 

Are there a significant amount of outstanding threads in the graphics, gaming or support sections that need attention? If not, I don't see what the problem is.

 

The staff only cares about mod logs. Mod logs are only given for certain things, with the majority of them coming from "robot work", aka spam reports, bans, what not. The system killed live help. It died because no one would go in there since there was no logs to be had and the admins would come down on you for not doing enough mod log work. Moderator actions do not count. It's better to let your section be shit and do the spam reports than actually be a mod. The whole system is completely fucked.

We used to have the super chill system of do your mod work and unless you are doing absolutely nothing you're good. Not anymore. Now people like Roray who are on 24/7 do all the shit and nothing is left and shit becomes a fight and shit.

Also Roray is constantly saying that the staff can not be expected to do anything other than essentially spam reports. That is 100% complete bullshit. If you are not willing to do everything, get out because you do not deserve the position.

The promotions process has always been kind of a shit hole. Finn hand picked a lot of people back in the days too. Thing is, we never talked about candidates. We were never like asked about who we though should be mod. If a global / admin thought of someone a poll was made and people talked and voted. That doesn't happen now. One person says hell no to someone and no one is going to challenge them and put up a poll anyways.

I did a quick run about the forums and found people who seemed older and not so dumb. Of course any promotion would have background checks and shit from people who might know something that I don't.

I got removed from the team for failing to adhere to the asinine activity policy. I just refused to partake in it. I still would. And the team is not like it used to be. I doubt many people would really want to be back on in it in it's current state.

I'm not sure your point but there is always bias. Some is purposeful (Finn did a lot of hand picking and manipulation and stuff) and some is just accidental since we are humans. Try and avoid the latter but use the former if you know you are write (and Finn actually was right quite a bit).

The staff has always promoted friends of the staff because if you get to know someone you will think highly of them or if you think highly of them you will likely befriend them. Comes with the territory.

 

Honestly, I was expecting him to at least tell me why, other than just saying "never." I don't know if he magically expects me to know some reason he has, but my involvement in this situation was average, not too much, not too little. Other than linking the images in the chat, I didn't think n4n0 ever had a problem with me. But since other people did it, I'm baffled.

Thanks for your input though.

Edit: A Sythe member told me this after he saw my appeal was denied:

[1:25:15 AM] Sythe Member: that's wat u get for HAVING SUCH A BACKGROUND
[1:25:22 AM] Sythe Member: u know
[1:25:29 AM] Sythe Member: it's like
[1:25:39 AM] Sythe Member: if there were 2 white people and 1 black person in the room
[1:25:42 AM] Sythe Member: and something got stolen in the room
[1:25:48 AM] Sythe Member: everyone is gonna think it's the black guy automatically

Why are you choosing me to be the scapegoat, staff? I say this in general because everyone was ignoring my post.

 

Essentially this bull shit office politics thing that the staff has going on has been going on for a long time. At least since I have became active again sometime right before Finn's downfall. It has been seriously exacerbated as of late for reasons I don't know because I'm not really involved in all of the drama anymore.

Then ever since the SF purge at the last of the year shit has seriously fallen off a cliff. Paying to get in banned, single admins ruling the decision making process, shitty promotions and more. I mean the only part of the sythe community worth going to now is the SF and it blows dick too.

 

I think you are missing the point. You can read my above post about my dislike of the current mod log system and why it is crap. In short there is a lot more to moderating than doing reports and there's a lot more to being on staff than moderating.

 

Like what?

 

Also another example of not enough staff is the fact that you guys are supporting PIAV's pardon without even looking into his background, he sold his account multiple times on one thread here: http://www.sythe.org/characters-level-100-149/1402156-selling-rune-turmoil-pure.html here's a clear example of a lack of in depth searching results in. I'm not going to pull up more but a simple google search and thread search can find more information. If you had more sectionals with free time to look into this stuff I wouldn't have had to google it... You can find more places he sold it but I honestly have no reason to post it because you guys should have the ability to do it yourselves.

 

Live help is the best example. It was an amazing success until no one used it because of the mod log system.

 

Don't misquote me. I'm not suggesting a change in admins, I personally don't care.

Just knowing from experience, I said a change in an admin or two is the only real thing that can alleviate the stagnation that is currently happening, temporarily, but it'll come back. Some rotations just seem worse than others.

 

I never even really noticed who the admins were over the years to be perfectly honest so I'm not sure it would do much to change them.

 

It was one persons decision. Nothing to do with who's friends with who, I wish people would stop blaming that.

Go to the person who's decision it was because none of us have the reason. This isn't what this threads about so no more discussion please. Feel free to HMU on Skype but I dont know what good I can do.


@Farcast, just the way you worded it sounded like it was a dig at Admin(s). Who the Admins are has nothing to do woth who gets modsor lack of.

 

why are you responding to him, and not banning his vading account?

god you guys are fucking dumb.