Veto the FDA Restrictions on E-Cigs

You will definitely get that hit rush from the hookah. It's a heavier hit. Makes you a bit lightheaded if you haven't smoked it in a while.


Btw, Chew, Hookah =/= Vaporizers.

 

If you press the button on the vape mod it still emits a cloud from it. That is steam just like the steam from what I compared to it before. You stand over the stove, inhale the steam while you're cooking and you exhale it. You may not see it but you're still doing it.


Why not ban cooking meals altogether or sue those responsible for having clouds in the sky?

The ingredients:
1. Propylene Glycol is used as a flavoring carrier in food products, as an ingredient in food coloring. Propylene Glycol is non toxic.

2. Vegetable Glycerin is a sweet, thick, vegetable based liquid. Vegetable Glycerin is non toxic.

3. High quality food-grade flavoring.

4. (Optional) Nicotine juice- tobacco extract.

 

Where is your source on second hand vape smoke being risk free?

I was able to find is this in the abstract of an article from the Journal of Hygiene and Environmental Health. I'd like to see the study you're going off of which proves it incorrect or suggests otherwise.

"Our data confirm that e-cigarettes are not emission-free and their pollutants could be of health concern for users and secondhand smokers. In particular, ultrafine particles formed from supersaturated 1,2-propanediol vapor can be deposited in the lung, and aerosolized nicotine seems capable of increasing the release of the inflammatory signaling molecule NO upon inhalation. In view of consumer safety, e-cigarettes and nicotine liquids should be officially regulated and labeled with appropriate warnings of potential health effects, particularly of toxicity risk in children."

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1438463913001533

 

Should just ban all forms of smoking. Would be nice.

 

I'm somewhat impartial to the whole thing, but I have talked to a few people in real life about it. I find it kind of funny how so many people have taken such an aggressive stance against it saying how sick they are of breathing it in - I wonder how many of them drive big trucks? Go to any major city and all you're breathing in is exhaust, fumes and god knows what else. Just seems like there are bigger and more important issues at hand...

 

When you find a proper case study on vape juices and not on cartridges then we'll talk. Vape cartridges are not the same as vape juices.

March 26, 2014
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20140326/what-research-shows-about-e-cigarettes

January 3, 2014
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20140103/e-cigarettes-separating-fiction-from-fact


"Secondhand Vaping

Smoking doesn't affect just the people who light up. Everyone around you also breathes in chemicals released in the smoke. Secondhand cigarette smoke has been linked to cancer, heart disease, and many other conditions. So researchers want to know whether secondhand vaping is dangerous, too.

Goniewicz and his research team have measured the amount of chemicals in e-cigarette vapors. They found nicotine in the vapor, but levels of other toxic chemicals were too low to cause concern.

But he says more research is needed to look at the effects of secondhand vapor on people who spend a lot of time with long-term users, especially children. Research is also needed on secondhand e-cigarette vapor outside of the lab, in the real world. "I think there need to be more studies that measure the levels of real settings like restaurants and bars where people would really be using them," Siegel says.

Because there are so many unknowns about the possible health risks of e-cigarettes, the FDA is looking to regulate these products as it does tobacco cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products. It's not clear when these proposed regulations would go into effect.

Siegel says regulation is a good idea, because it will encourage more studies into the health effects of e-cigarettes. "I think with research we'll be able to find a way of delivering nicotine that's as safe as possible," he says.

For now, a lot of unanswered questions remain about electronic cigarettes, Goniewicz says. And though they are a safer option than regular cigarettes if you're a smoker trying to quit, they're not necessarily risk-free."



Nothing is ever risk-free. You walk across the street to a bus stop and might get hit by a car. You inhale many chemicals daily that are far worse than what you may or may not be inhaling in a very brief time around a person vaping. I am sure that you don't read every single ingredient in every product you consume before you put it in your mouth and you certainly don't have the air tested every single second of the day in your life before you walk out of your home.

Why don't we just ban this product (or those that are similar to it) that's been on the market for decades. http://www.amazon.com/Walgreens-2100WGN-Warm-Steam-Vaporizer/dp/B0070P0E7M

 

1. I'm not familiar with the terminology. What are the differences and where in the study I linked did the author differentiate between the two? Both seem to contain propylene glycol and usually nicotine which were cited as two dangerous second hand additives.

2. Even if the two are only loosely related, aren't we discussing e-cigarettes? Do you smoke "juices" differently than e-cigs? As far as I'm aware they are the exact same thing.

3. Webmd is not a journal, is known to be biased, and the sources in the link you gave do not link to any publication.

Good point. Personally, I don't give a fuck what people do on their own and am not concerned for my own health here but social stigma (people not wanting smoke/vapor in their face) and published health concerns point me toward agreeing on public regulations.

 

Reading throughout the replys it seems that people are more referring to manners than the actual vaping itself.

and as response to

Don't post jack shit without sources.

The "Juice"/Liquid using for vaping is made form 5 ingredients,
Distilled water ; Safe
Vegetable Glycerine ; Which tl;dr is derived from vegetable oil, You know the one you fucking cook with? It might not be completely healthy in large amounts but it's better than fucking up your lungs.
Propylene glycol ; tl;dr a liquid alcohol mixed with Vegetable glycerine.
Flavour
and obviously nicotine.

It doesn't come from "charcoal places" or whatever the fuck you're trying to use an as excuse.










edit;

only going to discuss this statement.
What an electronic sigarette basically does is heat a small part of the liquid via battery, which turns to vapour and the user inhales.
It's not smoking. Nothing is burning nor being heated to a point that it's smouldering.

example image i could find even though it's not what i use

 

...source of what? I didn't think I said anything that isn't common knowledge or easily searchable. My point still stands, there isn't enough solid information on this subject. Also @ your post above about nothing being risk-free, that's an obvious given, but why would I want to introduce another risk in my life that can be easily avoided. Emissions are slowly going to be controlled, and they already are controlled. By your logic in the statement you typed, you're saying "why not go to China and breathe in the air" If you believe these contaminants aren't harmful, then go life in a China. Why would I want more contaminants in my air, if it can be easily controlled? Why would I want smoke blown in my face, if it can easily be controlled? If there were a good alternative to gasoline cars, for instance, I'd be all for banning them. You're free too use that Walgreens vaporizer in your own home, just like you're free to smoke a cigarette in your own home. If someone took their vaporizer and aimed the vapor at my face, then we'd have a problem. Regardless, the ingredients in the vaporizer, unless you alter what you put in it, are just water.

tl;dr I highly doubt a vaporizer is comparable to nicotine vapor that has been in someone's mouth, potential health risks, rude, easily solvable problem.

 

Oh, I believe you guys misread what I said. Trin was talking about cooking, I was referring to COOKING with charcoal as a for instance. If I didn't make that clear, I'm making it clear now.

 

So from all the methods of cooking you mention charcoal via grilling, which is also being replaced by gas.

 

I still see lots of places cooking with charcoal and places that advertise charcoal-cooked items, at least where I live. There's clearly a market for charcoal-cooked foods and the air quality around these places is horrible.

None of you guys have shown that nicotine vapor is safe to inhale, which I doubt is true. None of you guys even know if your specific product isn't cut with other ingredients, which may indeed be harmful. I avoid smokers like the plague, but I've been surprised by vapers, and I know I cannot be the only one - I see the smoke indoors and I automatically get scared and think something is on fire or someone is smoking a cigarette, although it's only for a split second.

Someone link to something credible that says nicotine is safe to inhale.

 

You said charcoal and that's why I told you to source your shit before you speak on something you obviously know nothing about.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8614291

 

This is a tank not a cartridge, like the one above. I know what is going in my tank because I put it in there. But, I don't know what is being put in the cartridge because they aren't refillable & it could contain shit I don't want in my body that could possibly be harmful to me or the people around me.



As for blowing smoke or vape clouds in people's face, I can't even imagine a person doing that at deliberately. It's certainly rude, but if you happen to be walking passed a person vaping and they just so happen to exhale because timing sucks, you can't blame that person, just like they can't blame you for walking into it or by it.

 

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/03/05/tobaccocontrol-2012-050859.abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0668.2012.00792.x/full

These two articles test for way more things, a la toxins in the vapor, not to mention they are recent and relevant because they are directly using e-cigarettes. The levels of toxins were lower, sometimes much lower than cigarettes, but most were higher than Inhalers. Inhalers use nicotine and a couple of other ingredients, but you can readily look up all of the side effects of Nicotrol inhalers, as it is FDA-controlled and has been studied for some things.

This is why it needs to be controlled by the FDA - clearly there are other things in e-cigarettes. I can probably fine a couple more articles that show there is much more in the vapor than "just" nicotine and some other objects. Without regulation, you have no idea what you're smoking, how much nicotine is really inside it, or where it came from.

 

In addition, bleach by itself can be considered acceptable, ammonia by itself is also acceptable. Combine those two and you have chlorine gas. By that same logic, you don't know how these supposedly safe ingredients interact with each other, or how they interact with the ingredients you guys don't know about.

 

Want publications?
http://blog.casaa.org/2013/08/new-study-confirms-that-chemicals-in.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/14/18/
This supports the link I linked previously and you get the sources for it.

Actually, it's not because of you inhaling or exhaling it, it's the handling of the nicotine juice and if you drink the e-juice that makes the FDA concerned. If a child or adult drinks it it can kill you. (I only speak for the companies that put the warning label on the bottle). If anything, slap on a child proof lid and call it a day.

There is no "same logic" here. It's not ok to inhale chlorine, nor is it ok to inhale ammonia. This "argument" is not comparable.

 

Me and my pops both have Ego CE 4 Kit.
They use Inject bottles to change the liquid, as you know.

I only linked that picture because it's the only one i could find that actually describes the components/how it works as an example. The principle is practically the same for all the other vaping methods as far as i'm aware, just different designs.

Nicotine has never proven to be safe NEITHER harmful.
It is ADDICTIVE though.

I've never heard nor seen any negative effects of vaping.
In the hotel where i work part time we have chefs that used to smoke cigs that vape inside the kitchen itself, and the vapour gets extracted by the extractors and never got a "Warning" or anything similar by the health and safety association.

 

lold.