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Refer to David Card’s The Causal Effect of Education on Earnings (1999).
http://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/Classic_Media/Card_1999_Education.pdf

Not once did I mention morals. If you want me to refute the arguments you have given against mine, you need to give actual arguments against what I’ve given. You can’t argue against me using things I haven’t even said. Sigh…

Again my point is that paying someone to do your homework for you encourages lazy behavior that carries over to other parts of life. This lazy behavior is detrimental to your future success. Paying someone to do the assignment also robs you of the intellectual gains associated with completing the assignment. In MMU’s original thread, I gave a great example of how physics can benefit someone pursuing the career MMU is. There is certainly good reason for why students like MMU should be taking physics, whether he wants to admit it or not.

Limiting your opportunity to succeed in life is not in the spirit of Sythe. It's not that this one single assignment will determine whether MMU will succeed in life. It's that his attitude towards this assignment and other similar situations in life will determine whether he will succeed.

 

mmm, The difference here is obviously perspective. Where you see sythe as some gleaming promised land of productivity and dreams come true, in actuality it's a harbor for lazy children to cut corners in a video game, and for morally-bereft salesmen to take advantage of the fact that they will pay anything to get what they want. And if they're paying anything to get what they want, why not let them get their homework done too? Sythe shouldn't sacrifice the activity to preserve the pseudo-sanctity of academic integrity.

 

I'm more than certain you did not read a single page of this, took you long enough to google a bail out. Considering how outdated the pdf is, it is irrelevant to the current standings of a competitive market we are in today. You're better off going to trade school, than you would going to college, depending on what you're majoring. More than often, students forget what they learn in college if they are just going for a bachelors.

http://www.facultyfocus.com/article...g-and-course-content-how-fast-do-they-forget/

Education is a brain washing tool used to keep us occupied in life. Something to strive for. Little do most people know, it does not determine your life success.

 

I truly believe Sythe was made for the "morally-bereft salesman" rather than for the benefit of the "lazy children". But morals are not, at least in my opinion, relevant to the issue at hand. Sythe, as we seem to agree, is not a place to discuss morals. Sythe seems to emphasize the gains of the "clever and powerful" at the expense of those who are "lazy and weak". With this being said and taking this stance, there is something perverse about helping the "lazy and weak" achieve success, even if it is only short-term and actually detrimental in the longrun. Why should the "clever and powerful" help the "lazy and weak" advance their positions in real life, especially when the profit obtained from doing so is, quite frankly, measly?

And although my original argument relies primarily on this "pseudo-sanctity" of academic integrity and my firm belief that being able to handle adversity is correlated with greater success, I also find it somewhat perverse that the "clever and powerful" would help the "lazy and weak" improve their odds of success at least temporarily for such minute gains. Marginally, it increases the competition the "clever and powerful" face in the job market.

I do have some moral beliefs, but I am trying to keep them out of this argument since I understand Sythe is not the place for morals. Nonetheless, I have intentionally placed some phrases in quotations to illustrate that I do not agree with labeling people as such.

 

1999 is not outdated for an article like this. I just finished doing some regressions related to this article in one of my classes, so yes I have read at least the important parts (intro/conclusion/some of the analysis/etc.)

Education is not necessarily meant to prepare you to do well in your job. It’s a way to showcase to your potential employers that you are competitive enough to take your stuff seriously and beat the rest. It does teach us valuable simple tools that we can expand on as well.

Saying that education is not particularly useful because it doesn’t give you the skills necessary to excel in the job misses the point of education almost completely.

 

You're literally talking in circles. It's THE DEFINITION of a moralistic argument to say "don't allow people to offer money for homework help because people will try to take advantage of them for monetary gains".

"You've" yet to refute any "of my" points. You're just spending time putting "quotes" on your misinterpretations of what "I'm" saying, rephrasing your moralistic objections"," and "basically arguing against" "yourself."
If a user want to spend his or her own money on cutting corners, Sythe is in no position to disallow them to do so. Whether it's in academia or a video game. It's LITERALLLLLLY what sythe is here for.

 

Your whole argument is a moral one.

 

No. It's not. It's about maximizing one's gains in a competitive world. If that is what you see morals to be, then so be it.

Do you realize I just adopted your standpoint for the sake of accepting criticism to my argument? And to defend my argument, I explained why adopting such a standpoint would still result in the conclusion that Sythe should not implement this feature.

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Anyways, I’m done. I think I’ve made my point clear enough, and I’m sure there are other voices that want to be heard.

 

Sythe isn't "implementing" shit. We're just discussing removing the needless rule against paying for homework or homework help.

Believe it or not people don't need your opinion to make choices about their education. If they have a bunch of busywork that they'd like to have someone else do for them why does anyone elses opinion matter?

 

You can't argue a point from one side, and relate it to the same point, and when I do so, say to me that it's not related in to real life.

You buying gold, and me paying for help, your statement would apply to us both - "encourages lazy behavior that carries over to other parts of life. This lazy behavior is detrimental to your future success."

Your just as lazy as me, just in different ways. The only difference is, I'm openly admitting I'm lazy, for some reason your trying to justify it?

 

Let me clarify. Buying RuneScape gold or powerleveling services is not going to encourage lazy behavior that carries over to other parts of life. It is not detrimental to your future success. RuneScape is just a game. There are no serious benefits to playing this game unless you’re making bank off it, nor are there any serious consequences to playing. Your education affects what job you get, what people are in your professional and social circles, your networking opportunities, etc. RuneScape is nothing. These are not comparable situations.

It is pretty obvious that I don’t believe buying RuneScape gold “encourages lazy behavior that carries over to other parts of life and is detrimental to future success.” You pointed it out yourself, “lazy in different ways”. They ARE NOT comparable “lazinesses”/”situations”. Are you seriously going to equate your actions in a trivial game like RuneScape to actions within an institution in real life that in large part determines what opportunities you will have?

Edit: Also, if you're wondering, I have never once bought a single gp. I only sell.

 

And by saying Sythe should make people do that, you turn it into a moral agrument. That is just an obvious fact.

 

This would boost the traffic for sure ha ha.

 

We understand. You personally think that it encourages laziness blah blah blah so you think that everyone else should have to go with your opinion. If someone has a bunch of busywork and wants someone to do it with them who gives a fuck? It isn't going to "translate" to anything else in life if someone does that. Its not like someone is going to pay to have every assignment done as that'd get way too expensive anyway. And if they did, does that have anything to do with you?

YOU think that it isn't good for you, so you think it should be disallowed.

What if someone is against gambling? Should we automatically blacklist it from the site?

 

Yes, I agree it is cheating and not helping your education, but if people don't come here for it, they'll just go somewhere else :/

 

The rule should definitely be done away with.

On a black market site dedicated to circumventing EULA's and video game policies, I don't see any reason that breaking coursework honor codes would be a problem. Hell, think of it as an EULA for a school, because it practically is.

Also, I enjoy tutoring and helping people with their homework, but I often can't find the time over school and/or more lucrative pursuits. If the rule barring offering payment for homework help were done away with, I'd be glad to spend more time helping people out with their coursework because it'd be a mutually beneficial pursuit for me and my customer. I'd imagine a decent number of my fellow Sythe users feel the same way, and the homework help section would actually see activity in time for students to get the help they need/want.

tl;dr:
Supp't

 

Exactly my thoughts - even if people are willing to help for free, it will most likely be the last thing on there to do list.

Allowing payment is just an incentive to get the job done in a timely manor. Makes no sense whats so ever for sythe to have this rule in place.

I hope a MOD/ADMIN picks up on this thread soon & comments giving us an outcome

 

By the way, I support the movement to allow payment for homework help. But NOT for paying others to do homework for oneself. But moderating this would be difficult. I guess overall the rule should be replaced with one that forbids payment of homework completion services, even if this is unlikely to be enforced. Just the presence of such a rule could stop some of the potential activity from occurring while still allowing tutoring to flourish.

 

Would a member of staff like to comment?

 

No one cares, this site was created to cut corners, and if one wants to buy their way through homework, it's their money


Waiting on staff comment... suf i can't play it won't let me