IN DEPTH breakdown of Atk, Def and Str

Please only answer this if you are experienced and know MORE than the basics.

In the 2007 version of the servers, how do Attack, defense and strength compete with each other? Kinda of a weird question the way im thinking of it, its probably not what you think im asking.

I know the basics obviously, defense makes it harder for your opp to hit you, attack gives you a higher chance of not hitting 0, and strength determines how high the random number that you hit when it IS above 0 can go.

I get all that, my question though is how EXACTLY does each level gained compete with your opponents level how much does one atk or def level really make a difference?

Its easy to understand the effects of each strength level because there are all sorts of max hit calculators, BUT, what does each attack and defense level do individually? Is it a certain hidden stat increase? is your defense level compared to your opponents attack level? Is your atk compared to their def? Basically how much of a difference does one or 2 attack/defense levels really make. Everyone knows about strength, but there isnt really much info on the other 2 and what they REALLY do.

 

Personally, I am no expert, but I have found that 10 def makes a HUGE difference from 1, however 20 is only a slight difference from 10, and it isn't until 30 that there is a significant difference from 10.


As for attack, I have seen improvements, but only with a change in the weapon, so I would attest to the fact that the attack is based on the weapon.


STR goes without saying, there is a clearcut difference with each inidividual weapon every 3 levels or so (DDS max is 97, not 99).

 

Strength doesn't unlock things such as Attack/Defence. So calculators were made as there can be data made and we can pinpoint the hidden data to make an equation to give us proper math for it.

You cannot do that with Attack/Defence as it'd be impossible without leaked information.

Granted I'm not 100% on this, but it can be speculated that the jump between 60 attack and 61 attack is so miniscule. Same as defence, it's unlocking weapons/armors that matter.

 

i shoulda have laid out my starting stats first.

im 79 attack and defense with 72 strength. focused around stake boxing. So weapons are irrelevant.

And i can tell you without a doubt that the difference from 72-79 attack and defense is HUGE. SOOOO much better at boxing now than i was when i was 72 72 72..

But im thinking of getting my atk and def into the early 80s, but im not sure if its worth it, because when ppl look me up ill look stronger than having high 70s and less noobs will stake me.

 

The defensive/accuracy bonuses on their own are almost negligible (unless its something like 30+ levels in difference). The reason attack and def are good is because it unlocks new gear/prayers that do make a large difference.

 

I respect the answers but I have a feeling alot of you are guessing. Ive heard the "it only makes a difference for what you can wear and unlock" answer before andI for one just dont believe it. Your trying to say that jajex deems the levels generally useless after level 70-75. The truth I think is no one really knows because there is no written comment on it from jagex. But i definately think it makes a lot more of a difference than just unlocking certain equipment.

Theres gotta be a reason all the premium boxers are better because of their high attack and defense. I own someone 4/5 times boxing who is 80 attack, 90 str, 60 defense. but just yesterday i got raped ALOT by someone who was 82 attack and defense with 68 strength.

 

You're taking into account a game of luck and trying to justify it by saying STAKES?!?!??!

Come on, dude. If you want an answer that you agree with, that's fine. But instead of asking that question you should just ask it to yourself because that's all you're wanting to hear.

There is no reliable source of information, this is speculation. A lvl 40 with 1/90/1 can beat a lvl 90 with 65/75/65 but that doesn't make either better. It's just luck.

You're asking for facts on a game that is based around luck, even with 99 attack you can hit 0. This is why I can say that 90 attack and 99 attack can be the same thing. Because we know it's not going to 100% - it could just be 70% or 80% going to hit. The difference from 1 to 99 could be as small as a 50% difference, and at 50 it'd be 25% difference. We don't know, weapons make shit more accurate not base stats.

 

One is more likely to win than the other. You can get lucky and overcome adverse odds, but, eventually over a long period of time, those adverse odds will become more apparent.

@op

If you had mentioned this was to do with box staking it would have been useful. Everyone answered as if you are pking.

 

Jesus...

Of course its luck

Its doesnt change the fact its based on statistics. Someone with better staking stats is going to win over 500 matches when 1000 are played. I know its luck, but its about getting as much of an advantage statistically as you possibly can.. If you dont understand that you arent going to even be able to touch this question.

 

It's wrong. Countless people have tested this, the PID system has more bearing than stat differences.

Your question can't be answered, it can only be speculated unless you expect a JaGeX employee to give you the actual code/algorithm that factors in what each level does and how it affects attack/defence.

As said prior, Strength can be done by how high the weapon/fists hits and at what level it happens.

If you expect somebody here to give you an in-depth answer on something that can't be answered then... it's apparent you don't understand something.

P.S - Luck is not based on statistics, whoever gets first hit in boxing/staking heightens the chance of winning significantly. Worry about that then something you can't grasp... or even get the chance to grasp as we don't have sufficient information.

It's like me asking you how "How many pounds of dirt is in this bucket" and you not having any of the materials needed to answer said question.

 

Actually when your'e boxing, PID makes a difference of less than 1 percent.

Im done talking about this with you because you arent even on the same page haha.

And i know it CANT be answered, im looking for a discussion that stretches a little further than bro science here.

Speaking of strength, it isnt a CERTAIN number that gives u a max hit, each lvl u get gives u a little bit more chance of hitting that max hit. If your next max is at 70 str, and your ONLY 70 str, you have alot less of a chance of hitting your max, then if say your str was 72-75. Even though your max hit hasnt gone up.

EVERY level matters.

 

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And lol @ you calling logic bro-science.

lol @ op taking the word "boxing" when nothing about it was stated. I simply said staking.

OP is crazy, carry on.

 

There is some calculations you could look into but they're very complicated. I saw a topic about this a few years back and they basically went into the code and deciphered it.

 

It can be answered lol, one of our old business associates developed a staking odds program where you would input your stats, your opponent's stats, and it would tell you your odds of winning.

As for outside of the arena, the builds become much more imbalanced when you count in gear. 59 attack 61 strength will lose much more than 60 attack 60 strength for obvious reasons, which is why the most powerful attk/def/prayer builds never go over the min level for the equipment you use.

 

There is obviously a big difference. For those who says it's PID more than stats, higher atk and def are only good for better weapons, are silly. If that were true, all boxers would be 1-99-1 (extreme example, but I'm just depicting your logic to the fact that you're saying atk and def have no effect, and only are does....)

 

re read my posts then, I clearly said boxing, youre the one who didnt.

I dont care about any other situation.

 

yes ive used that simulator, thats what i was basing everyone I said prior off of. Its all one big stat.