What Is The Illuminati.?

1) So it wasn't gang violence. Explain it then. Someone assassinated Easy-E, Tupac, Biggie, and every single "famous" celebrity, right?

Even if they died of natural causes, they were assassinated for their fame, right? This sounds like that whole thing with Kirk Cobain and Jimi Hendrix and the power of 27. A bunch of really famous artists died at age 27. There's a conspiracy about that too.

2) I only said Sythe was arrogant and didn't tolerate bullshit. I never said that I was on par with his arguments. But you know what, I can go ahead and say that just because Sythe is a good debator, doesn't mean that nobody else can be. This is the discussion forum, yeah, but you're discussing something that I don't find to be true. The question is "What is the Illuminati?" I say it's smoke and mirrors. You say it exists. You can say you don't have to prove it to me all you want, but if you're not proving it exists to anyone else, then IT DOESN'T EXIST AND YOU NEED TO GET OFF THE THREAD.

Again, you say I don't read the evidence. But did you take the time to read my list? It was sarcasm, but look at any "Illuminati in the media" video, and compare it to my list. I hit most of the nails on the head, right? A lot of things in videos are compared to "satanic" or "symbolic" things, right? Could it just be that a music video is all about imagery, and not just someone sitting there making singing into a camera?

3) If you refuse to put up a challenge on whether it exists, and resort to only attacking my character or what I do/don't know, then you're only making yourself look like a fool. I'm being straightforward and honest. Your proof is things that aren't actual proof. You say they are too big for us, but the fact that they would make it so obvious just makes it seem like you're grasping straws. You don't challenge any of my points. You and Herman REFUSE to answer any of my questions.

The only question Herman has answered is why he doesn't do anything, and he says he doesn't do anything because they're too big. You know what that says about him, and the rest of his argument? That he's trying to scare people. When people start thinking about a boogeyman and an appeal to fear, it's just like "terrorists" right after 9/11. Muslims and middle eastern people were persecuted because a boogeyman was planted. All muslims and sikhs and everything became terrorists. This is the exact same type of boogeyman placed by Illuminati speculators. If a natural disaster happens, or someone dies, it becomes their job to tell people that someone bigger than life is calling the shots.

The only difference is, we can prove that the middle eastern people aren't terrorists. We can't even prove the Illuminati exists, so how can we prove that they're actually doing anything. It's grasping straws.

 

Illuminati is something that exists, yet it does not exist.

If the Illuminati exists...

Illuminati is something to be feared of, yet too fearful till we ignore it.

Illuminati a topic for heated debate, but no action is taken towards it because it is apparently too "huge".

Illuminati is made of many powerful men, presidents (?), government (?). Therefore, it is bound to take over the world eventually... Controls media, ...

Therefore, even if the illuminati exists, according to beliefs, it is too huge to be stopped. We can't do anything (?) and the people who believe that the Illuminati exists do not bother finding solutions.

So be it the illuminati exists or not, no action will be taken, so why not just make it more convenient for yourself and not believe it ?

Also Thug_Life, you said something about "sythe being more educated". If you believe in illuminati, you should also believe that the schools are a way to brainwash the students, therefore education is bad!!!! rawr?

 

If you can't see the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTahZE4q90U

 

Fixed the link btw.

Also, I agree with you there. But this doesn't seem like an Illuminati thing. This seems like a power structure set up by both the political parties and the banking elite.

See this image for reference:


The power structure at large is real. We don't need to beat around the bush and make it bigger than what it is. Fighting what we have and rallying others to fight against what's going on makes more sense to me than sitting behind a computer screen trying to figure out if there's a gorilla in the room or not.

 

The Illuminati is believed to be a group that worships Satan. Now, you don't need to believe this or in God, but you do need to understand the fact that we share a common enemy; this power structure, which for all we know, could be Illuminati trying to confuse or manipulate us. If you do not believe in God, you do not need to care about all their agenda about trying to gather negative energy by using people's emotions, causing disruptions and the like. The main thing we should be looking at here is that if we can get rid of them, if we start making people more aware, they will be some sort of changes out there. Positive ones. And perhaps we can end this slavery once and for all.

The only real solution I can see so far is to make everyone you know aware, whether they believe it or not is up to them.

 

How would I try and stop the Illuminati? Try running for a position of power? OH SNAP! Wait, that won't work! What I COULD do is write a documentary, etc. to get out to people...like all the youtube videos, etc.

 

1) They were killed by the government or someone of a high-rank because they caused too much trouble. Eazy-E himself caused a riot which ended in $1B of damage to California, 53 people dead, etc ALL because of crooked crops. That's one person. Tupac went in and out of jail MULTIPLE times and never stopped doing what he believed in. He fought for poverty, racism, and everything. Then, he stated in 4 years in 1996, we will see him amongst the presidential election seating....that was a threat. The government didn't want Tupac to be of high-rank and knowing of his powers + supporters, they knew he could do it. Hence, he was killed before anything could happen. Michael Jackson...sold 750 MILLION RECORDS WORLDWIDE...do you know how much that is? That's already asking for fucking trouble.

2) Let's leave Sythe out of this. If I argue back, we're going to carry the Sythe conversation down another 3 pages which has NOTHING relevant to the Illuminati.

3) I posted MULTIPLE times with proof, you NEVER did. Infact, you REFUSED to look at them. ON TOP OF THAT, you insult me and everyone else who believes in the Illuminati. Refer to the previous pages and view my threads before slinging shit around, please.

I do know that, but, that has NOTHING to do with what I'm saying? I said Sythe is the most educated word-wise, mentality wise, and argumentative wise....how does that have anything to believe in the Illuminati. Schools are trained to educate you but, at the same time, they teach you what THEY want you to know to a certain extent. However, when you're out of school, who's stopping you from learning more? You can't put a restriction on learning.

 

The Rodney King riots inspired Eazy-E to write "We Tore This Motherfucker Up". The Rodney King riots were not influenced by any artist. They were influenced by crooked cops, as you said. So what you're trying to tell me is that because Eazy-E wrote a rap about it, he's the perpatrator and therefore was assassinated when his cause of death was AIDS from years of sexual promiscuity. He came out and said that was what he was dying from. He made ammends with his rivals Snoop and Dre before he died.

You know who else talked about political campaigns? Jay-Z and Eminem. Both of them said it in interviews past. So what, do we wait until they die and then say, no matter what the reason, that they were assassinated?

Michael Jackson's popularity has nothing to do with his influence in politics. In fact, I would go as far as to say that this is your arguments ultimate downfall. Do you honestly think that Michael Jackson did or would have done anything worthwhile that would overthrow the government? No.

You said that they were confronted about their popularity and told to tone it down or there would be consequences. Explain that. Because all you've said is "SEE, HE WAS POPULAR AND HE DIED, SEE?"

This is because you refuse, completely refuse, to put those "facts" into words in a debate. For the benefit of the doubt, I'll watch these videos after this post. And I'll go ahead and reply to any other "facts" you want to tell me. So good luck on that.

This isn't an Illuminati problem. Gurtaton said that the Illuminati is using the Fed as a disguise. I personally believe that is grasping straws as well. He says "for all we know". Well no, you guys ASSUME things. You guys take your "facts" and you distort it to make it bigger than life. I've seen people who are so convinced that HAARP creates national disasters, that they've stockpiled a bunker at their house and actually created a separate bunker in another state purely for the reason of protection. With pictures. His blog got deleted after he started posting racist stuff about Native Americans, so I don't have them with me.

The educational system is actually more like a business. They put a product in, and they take a product out. The reason for schooling is to learn, but they can't do that effectively enough. This is not the Illuminati. This is a problem in the educational system.

So basically:

"I'm an armchair activist. I sit at home and consume the corporations products, helping fuel their greed and get slammed around by the system. But because I believe that a big scary group of people controls the world, I refuse to even get out of my chair to help anyone. I don't tell my parents or friends, because they might think I'm crazy, even though this is the ultimate proof and I know for a fact that it is because some guy in a tinfoil hat told me so!"

By the way, Ron Paul is in politics. He wants to end the Federal Reserve. He wants to bring the troops home. He's the underdog. His assassination would be due to the Federal Reserve (see: JFK), not the Illuminati.

 

bump, i would still like to know more.