Disagree with this ruling

Actually you keep saying its not in your control but it actually was, considering it has been discovered that all you needed to do was make a Skype purchase.

Besides the fact that your hacker scammed a bunch of kids and suddenly your all in support of not having to pay back people. You're a future scammer IMO.

Requesting the ban of Elena for reasons I've already highlighted.

 

Actually it is proven that if you buy skype credit's it doesn't necessary protect your account so do a fact check next time. For the record I offered to pay anyone back whom was scammed if anyone. So try again.

 

What is a fact, that people HAVE to request a PM? Yes it's beneficial, but our point isn't debating its use. We're simply stating that the rule of no compensation is stupid.

 

Then if it happened before an announcement was made change it to 50-50. Because it would then be just as much on the seller as the buyer.

 

I kinda agree,Is there any chance of this rule getting changed?

 

Few things should be cleared up by the Admins or whoever decides this:

• Duration of compensation period? I.E, after an announcement is made making individuals aware of such and suchs Skype being hacked.
  
• Prior to announcement being made, is Skype holder liable?
  
• What if staff are unavailable to make an announcement after Skype holder has sent a PM stating their Skype being hacked; is the Skype holder still liable?

 

This...

They haven't even made it clear when it would take effect... (before/after announcement etc.)

They need to clear this up asap.

and Elena quit spamming for post count plz.

 

I am not spamming and you have no room to talk, That's all you do is spam. I agree with you sellerman those things should be addressed so we are all on the same page.

 

Surely people could trade these hacked users just to get a payback and see members banned, so surely there should be a period when after a certain amount of time as an announcement the payback period is ended?

 

OK.

They could do that, but surely it'd be obvious in the report? And members have been unbanned for this reason anyway..

 

Scammer. Wouldn't be surprised if you faked the hack, considering it was done within hours of the announcement.

I've offered to pay back, quit the bullshit. Go and pay it back, then you have moral grounds to speak.

Elena for ban until she pays back everyone.

 

Just wanted to note that it isn't to do with having insecure passwords or using a public email address.

http://www.sythe.org/12092476-post3.html

OT: The reason the rule was put in place is because in most cases, it isn't the "hacked" members fault they are hacked. Some of Skype's agents are only requesting full name (easily found in some cases), location (usually found on sythe/skype - they only require a country...) and three/four/five skype contacts (which are easily guessed or found on market threads).

If we are to hold everyone responsible then the "hacked" members are being punished on the basis of Skype being incompetent. In most cases we've seen so far, such as Snow Patrols (using this as an example the most because it's the one I'm most familiar with) he made every attempt to secure his skype. After the first hacking he made a new account and purchased skype credits. The "hacker" then told me himself that he didn't even need the email address or purchase information to recover the new account (the new account was also hacked). There are some serious crossed wires on skype's end in that their recovery system varies from agent to agent. It's not the carelessness of the Sythe users that're causing the hacks to take place.

What we have in place is an immediate measure to try to somewhat combat the situation. If you have a more rational idea or perhaps any suggestions to replace the rule put in place, then you have the suggestion section to do so..

 

There needs to be something to protect sellers from incompetent IM services. It really isn't that hard to get a PM for every trade.

 

There's plenty of safe I'm services such as aim. Heck, they can choose to use sythe pm to trade. i did that for a while in my pin store. Sellers choose to use Skype. It's a risk they're taking, and they're taking that risk alone.

I really would like to hear sythes input on this.

 

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is how it already works. Scams that occurred BEFORE the PM announcement are valid without proof of a pm. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about...

 

I've already covered this argument and it's inherent flaws here:

Here is an analogy:

You buy a car, and then you notice someone who bought the same model car has their car explode and you're given fair warning through recall notice or some other method. You continue driving the car without making the correct repairs (ie changing IM platforms) and yours explodes and kills a nearby pedestrian. You're then taken to court on a wrongful death suit and you say, 'well it isn't my fault that the car exploded, it's the manufacturer's shoddy workmanship.'

That isn't a valid defense after you have already received plenty of prior notice to the inherent flaws and you're neglectful in that fact.

As soon as we saw that there was a flaw in Skypes security and there was two or three concurrent hackings then we should have discouraged people from using Skype instead of punishing those who were scammed afterwards. It is the decision makers fault for continuing to support Skype as a safe trading platform when they saw all of these hackings were going on. What you don't have is immediate measures, you have measures that are both short sighted and caused by your shortsightedness clearly.

 

I only read the first page, so here's my input on that.

I agree with Magic Arrow that there should be a 50% reimbursement for valid reports. Yes, we shouldn't punish people because Skype's security is shit, but we also shouldn't punish the victims for their ignorance.

 

In my opinion, we should. They were stupid enough to not get verification before a trade when we preach every day, "GET A PM!"

We have multitudes of guides out there. Stickies with massive amounts of information in regards to safe trading practices. And plenty of experienced users that can give insight to the new users IF THEY TOOK THE TIME TO EVEN ASK.

It's not our fault, nor the victim of the hacked skype that these people are too goddamn lazy and incompetent to follow safe trading practices, and we shouldn't reward their stupidity.

 

Are you literally that stupid? Find a scam report and I was at school smart one. Oh and also I don't live in the UK so try again. So stop running your mouth acting like you know what you are talking about when you don't. There are other people that agree with me so are they all "scammers to" Why don't you just stop running your mouth because someone doesn't agree with you. That would be a switch.

 

What ever happened to "you are responsible for your own account"?

We shouldn't punish the new uesrs (AKA the victims) just because somebody is a big market user and has therefore become a target of hacking because of their fame.

The victims think they can trust these people, and keep in mind 90% of them are new users, so if they don't know to request a PM, there's a good chance they don't know about the stickies.

The bottom line is, there is equal blame on both parts. The person who got hacked is to blame for not following good security methods (using a public creation e-mail, getting SE'd into giving information to the hacker, etc), and the victim of the scam is to blame for not getting a PM.

If you ask me, those who are getting hacked are the ones who should have the knowledge on how to keep their accounts safe, as they've (for the most part) been here for quite a while. People have been getting hacked through creation/linked e-mails ever since I've been here, yet people still seem to create their public IM accounts with public e-mails.