Disagree with this ruling

A new sticky in RaS states

I realise we're trying to protect sythe users from being unjustfully punished by hackers however, we must also provide a safety net for those being scammed. There has to be a median found which protects both parties.

 

Hmm. If the account is proven guilty of scamming, as is banned, why no reimbursement? I don't get it. It should be no ban / no reimbursement or ban / imbursement.

 

If the user was negligent of receiving a PM, should we ban the sythe account for what happened on the skype account?

 

Should we reward the hacked user for being negligent with their Skype?
Same concept buddy

 

If the skype links to the sythe account then ofcourse...

 

One of the skypes was even taken without the email. We can't punish people for the failures of the skype recovery system. IMO, anyway.

 

Yes we can as we always have. All I'm saying is that there has to be a median.

 

Such as? Right now this seems the best solution.

 

Tbh this solution means only the scammers win. It causes more problems than it solves.

One thing id like to see implemented is an automated ban similar to the 5 point infraction where instead of banned tags the user receives hacked tags. The hacked writing is bolded, caps and red. So it'd look something like Magic arrow *HACKED DO NOT TRADE*. Give sectionals the ability to use it.

Secondly there should be at least a 50% reimbursement if there's no pm. Like it or not, it's still their Skype.

 

I have to agree with you on this one, and while I can't suggest a suitable compromise I feel like there should be one made. There are always new users on Sythe, and they frequently get scammed by imposters and such - Obviously no refund is given in this case. However, when a person (purely for example, Elena) has their Skype hacked then it is essentially their fault for not having adequate security measures around their account, and surely they should be held accountable to some extent for the losses incurred by others.

 

The problem is, there is no adequate measure besides purchasing from skype - which I only found out today after an hour long conversation with Skype on the LiveChat. One of the users was compromised despite having a registered email, without the email.

So potentially, we could all be compromised if we haven't made a skype purchase.

 

In that case, I would strongly suggest completely discontinuing the use of Skype on the site until they fix the security flaw. Otherwise EVERYONE will be hacked at some point or another.

 

We can't punish users for what external programs they choose to use.. there's always been vulnerabilities in, for example, hotmail - but we can't say "don't use hotmail", only advise against it.

Right now we're advising keeping your skype private (disclosing via PM) and/or purchasing with skype to keep your account secure.

 

I think the ruling is fine as it is. Users should take the 3 fucking seconds it takes to request a pm and check the pm to make sure that they are not talking to a hacker/imposter. There are like 50 Threads in the RaS about popular people being scammers but in every one the person filing the report did not request a PM to verify they were talking to the correct person. If people would just request a PM while trading then a lot of the scams done would be avoided.

case and point... http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1550209-kmjt-scammer.html

 

Skype just becomes a loophole for scammers. You guys are walking into very dangerous territory

 

Requesting a PM should be standard practise for any trader.

 

Whether it should be standard practice or not, consider this scenario... Semper and I are good friends. He goes first to me on a 1b trade because he knows it's me, but doesn't need a PM because he can tell. Now, I was going to pay him... But since he never requested a PM, I now have an opportunity to scam him when I was actually going to pay him if he requested a PM.

This also leads to another point... What about people with no Sythe account, or banned? We can scam them freely and claim our Skype was hacked?

 

With Skype hackings going on, you should make it standard practise for everything from now on.

Obviously we'll investigate as much as we can to make sure the hacking claims are legitimate.

 

What's stopping people from pretending they were hacked after scamming someone who didn't ask for a PM? Yeah they'll be banned temporarily but once they claim they've regained control of their account they get off scot-free?

Is this how the new system works or am I missing something?

 

Obligatory: http://www.sythe.org/denied-suggestions/1054015-no-pm-no-compensation.html