Weird for a guy to like pop?

Nothing wrong with that at all

 

its common and dont think its weird

 

What? It's shit because people are getting international fame for completely undeserved credit. The previous listed musicians were ones that at least had a little bit of credit maybe on a couple of songs. There are SO MANY other "Groups" and "Artists" these days that literally aren't credited at all, because they didn't do anything but play 4 chords and/or sing some pre-written lyrics. Oooh, so much more worthy than real bands and artists that grout day and night to push out real emotion-filled lyrics and music. Also, you don't get the same emotion because the performer of the song has a different perspective/feeling than the writer, always. Someone might write something that a singer has no prior experience or knowledge in, but they perform it anyway because as you said they "sold themselves to devil". They become the label's bitch and they do whatever they want, when they want, and they play what they want now much more than ever. You can argue it all day if you want, but the matter of the fact is you don't get the same emotion from performing another person's song. Sure you may be able to fabricate and project it, but it's not the same at the end of the day. Face it dude, most pop performers get some sheet music, a check, and that's all they need to fake an album.

And really?? "They" who put "Meaning" to a lot of these "Songs" are usually in it strictly for the business aspect, and that means solely numbers. If you really think these 4 chord pop songs with generic lyrics revolving around generic subjects are anything "Worthy" of listening to, then you need to do some long thinking. Not to say this hasn't been going on for awhile, if you like pop puppets you should try out Rick Astley, however it's so much more rampant these days and people hardly look/are able to look beyond the top 40 rotation on the radio. All they have to do is force feed it down your throat by repetitive play every other commercial break and it'll become a hit. Bring on the grammys! Meanwhile, the real musicians are just trying to get their stuff heard by a few ears. Idk how it is everywhere, but just in 10 years most of my local radio stations have quit promoting local bands and only pump out the charts.

Also, you couldn't say much about a band that writes their own songs other than it's not your taste... Just like if there are pop stars out there that actually write their own songs (And there really aren't many) I can only say it's not my taste. These, again, are "Pop puppets", they don't deserve to be famous, they don't deserve the universally known ownership of anything they perform (Most people just accept that they wrote/made it), and there is no way in hell you can convince me they don't have the time to learn something like... Creativity. Their lives consist of hanging around their mansions, on the road, and um... PLAYING MUSIC. I promise you these people aren't as busy as you think, their "people" do their work for them.

I have another theory: These people are getting 'money' to perform and take these pre-made songs to the top of the charts and neither they, nor their record producers/"Song writers" give two fucks about the true art and beauty of music. It's purely for the money. Therefore, you should want to get rid of this crap and promote stuff that deserves to be heard so that maybe if people pull together we can get it to the general public's ears and get rid of this safe, generic cancer in the music industry. Don't forget, in a tumbling economy industries have to play it safe with what they know will be successful, there is no time for risks and new artists, that would be gambling, a hit or miss. Who knows if people would like them? The reason these songs are so rampant and popular is because they aren't a risk, and they know what modern culture/generations will eat up like cake!

Tl;dr - Most modern pop songs are effortless pieces of garbage, I'm not trying to rip on anyone's taste, I'm just stating what should be the obvious... It all boils down to money, and pop songs are made to make that, not because some lonely guy got dumped and wrote a song, not because some teenager lost their father, it's a person at a desk writing a song that they know will be successful. Nothing more, nothing less. These people write dozens of songs a day.

 

Nah it's definitely okay for you to have a taste in music.

 

you're entire first paragraph pretty much sums up collaboration my friend and what do you think a band does? Are you in one do you even know anyone in a band? you don't just push exactly what you want out you all work together to put out something and guess what? most lyrics are written by a single person per song so what you're saying is when a band collaborates with who ever created the lyrics to make the actual full song that instantly makes it shit because lets say the guitarist wants to put a solo in, sounds silly now doesn't it?

as for your second paragraph, you do realize the voice is a instrument in itself right? It's not always about the lyrics but more the melody the lyrics are sang through. Also what makes you an expert on what these people that produce these pop hits I doubt you set down to dinner with each of them and ask how their day went every night, every musician rather in my opinion good bad no matter the genre has always been in it for the music rather than the money including producers who create songs like these "generic pop" songs. Also if you want to talk about generic lyrics what about people such as Taylor Swift, every one of her songs is the same thing and there are many more artists like this, she isn't the only one and they write their own material.

3rd paragraph, your logic is flawed and here is why, its still not your work someone else created it, thus you would have to consider it not your taste. No matter how hard you try to argue this its pointless no matter the amount of contributors and how they contribute they still put a particular piece into the song and also just go ahead and let me know when you can sing better than any of the puppets you have mentioned. They aren't famous for nothing you're just foolishly ignoring the facts because you dislike said genre.

4th paragraph.... really? obviously there is a HUGE portion of the population that enjoy this music, I personally can't stand it for the most part but others do enjoy it. so of course a label is going to promote whats going to sell thats what they do. Its your job as a band to get your name out there so they take notice in you, thats why its such a hard job and most bands fail at becoming big.

to your last statement
"it's a person at a desk writing a song that they know will be successful. Nothing more, nothing less. These people write dozens of songs a day."

Do you realize how foolish that sounds? If it were that easy everyone would do it. Being in a specific genre doesn't give you a special power to be able to create number 1 songs. these people have all spent their entire lives most 40-50+ years learning everything they can about music. they then take their OWN abillities\thoughts etc. and create a catchy melody and from that create lyrics or vice versa, just as any normal musician would. I don't see how being more educated makes you qualified to be shit.

tl\dr: you're just taking your dislike for the genre and biasedly looking at it and not seeing that still takes talent and the artists still use a talent to perfom the songs as well the people who create the songs.

your using a logic equal to a band that has changed genre is shit because they don't sound the same anymore, people change and thus their emotion\music do as well.
or the logic that a band is a sell out because they have adapted enough fans to pay the bills. It's really kind of annoying even arguing about it.

 

ive branched out before...i tried like every genre of music...they dont interest me im sorry

 

You're just going to keep the argument rolling endlessly by telling me I have no idea what I'm talking about, but to answer a few of your questions: I'm in a band, I've produced my own stuff, and I have met plenty of people that usually only work in the industry, but definitely have a better idea of how it goes than you and I do.

Collaboration... Sitting in a room and learning a song that has been written for you. That's some deep collab yo. Please quit acting like these people grit day and night making these stupid songs. Neither the writers, or the singer lose any sleep over it, I guarantee it, but what do I know right??!??! I just hate pop lelele!!!! You're comparing a band that all collaborate to bring forth their own material (As you said, a guitar solo) and then justin beiber and his boss-man that has some sheet music ready to go for him, he doesn't do anything but perform it. That's not collaborating, what???

Also I can sing, play, and write A LOT better than any of those pop stars, I'm pretty confident about that.

Also, Taylor Swift is another Max Martin project, she wrote her songs at one point in time*

A huge majority of people enjoy the genre because it's what's forced down their throats. As I said, finding real music by real artists is hard and most people don't listen to music off of the radio.


"it's a person at a desk writing a song that they know will be successful. Nothing more, nothing less. These people write dozens of songs a day."

Ok.... Either these people's music/lyrics are just moving waves of people (These guys are lyrical geniuses!!), they're just extremely lucky, or they know the art (secret powerz yo) of reaching the top of the charts, because no one just makes 10+ top 10 singles in a year for almost 10 different people.... Also if these songs are spawned from 40-50 years of learning everything you can about music, then slap me a label I'd love to give a crack at this industry. Maybe they are just lyrical geniuses, It makes sense why Rihanna has 15 number 1 singles and Zeppelin has 0. Clearly she is just better all-around and much more talented and deserving.


"tl\dr: you're just taking your dislike for the genre and biasedly looking at it and not seeing that still takes talent and the artists still use a talent to perfom the songs as well the people who create the songs."

Ok, it takes talent. A very easy, simple, and usually auto-tuned talent. Welcome to the music industry, here's your free ticket to the top.

 

no, you're not gay for listening to pop music. judging people by their music taste is hella shallow. judge people on their outer beauty and looks instead

 

No, everyone is different. I won't judge you, don't worry .

 

I find it extremely hard to believe anything in this first paragraph, please show me some of your music from your band you're really starting to annoy me you seem like the type of kid who only listens to the old "cool bands" and only the latest underground music!

You say your a musician but yet you can't even see that a voice is a instrument a unique one try as hard as you like you won't be able to imitate a voice 100% that is their part of the collab.

"and then justin beiber and his boss-man that has some sheet music ready for him" so this sheet music was produced by the music fairy then? no one came up with it all? get fucking real kid.

again you say you can sing, lets see what you can do show us a vid.

Taylor swift has always and still is about the same thing break-up songs it wouldn't matter if someone started writing for her or not the past has shown she is a one trick pony.

you never thought maybe people like happy music, dance music, ballads etc? its simply because its forced to them yup... everyone is telling you to go to the pop section of your local record store.


I started playing guitar when I was 5, Joined my fathers band at 11 when my dads lead left the band. since then I've met numerous bands and people working behind the curtain in the industry. and I can say with a 100% fact not one of them take their music lightly, and I have met song writers like your speaking of producers etc. from nearly every genre.


Either way I will sum it all up by saying every song has meaning and is created with a great deal of talent skill and hard work regardless of the genre. you simply have a mental difficiency or just can't stand the fact that a genre you dislike is just as = as one you do like. I have stated my side and placed the proof at your feet where as you have yet to even come up with a single defense to your opinion you claim as fact. obviously I don't know for a fact if you're in a band or not but I truly doubt it and if you are you have a hell of a lot to learn about the industry, and please unless you're going to actually post something backing your statement rather than saying "pop music is shit because I think its shit" don't bother to replying to me because I won't be responding.

 

dont hype over this dude, floyd was making some decent points...and he's a real band member too, i respect him for that

 

I don't classify any genre of music to one specific gender or another, and I think all of you should do the same.

 

Not all pop is bad, there were some talented artists/bands who sang pop music like Michael Jackson, ABBA and The Beatles.

Unfortunately today's pop music scene is just outrageous, you have manufactured acts such as 1D who have a fanbase of preteens who buy their music because of their image.

 

Don't really know the point of replying to a banned member, but I'll do it anyway.

First off, I definitely won't be sharing my music here now but I might one day upload it for some of you to hear. But to sit here and even deny my word and pretty much tell me I'm a liar is a pretty brazen thing to do and I'm surprised you think I would lie about a claim like I make music.... Idiot.

Old music and the latest underground music? I've non-stop given credit when it has been due in this entire thread, in almost every reply to your stupid posts. I've explained to you I'm not a music elitist, I just know when something is fake garbage (most pop), and never have talked trash like something along the lines of "Rock music rocks and the rest sucks" as you seem to portray me. YOU'RE the stupid one for not understanding THAT, don't you see? (Of course you don't). I'm just stating the facts, it's not my fault they're flying over your head.

Okay so since we all have unique voices, does that make each one of us a musician? surely with your logic that's exactly what it means, so how come joe schmo can't have a record deal? His voice is unlike I've ever heard before, because it's unique. YOU get real KID, playing a REAL instrument, producing the music from scratch, producing hip hop beats if you're into rap (from scratch and not fucking fruity loops preset sounds), being in a band, that's being a musician. I'll try to say it once again: Singing a pre-written song, with pre-written music, and pre-written lyrics ISN'T BEING A MUSICIAN, IT'S KARAOKE. If you have to rely on someone else to make your songs for you because you aren't capable, you aren't a musician and don't deserve to be at the level that you are (Fame). Go take classes if you can't write music, surely you can learn that just like you learn to sing, learn to play guitar, learn to take a shit, learn to think, learn to spell, DUH. If being in the music industry is a "Career", doesn't that make these fools who don't write their own shit only semi-qualified (If even semi, tbh they aren't qualified at all)???, but yeah explain that please.

So yes the industry should be reserved for real bands and real artists, not this American idol, find a voice on youtube and make them a star bullshit that you're trying so hard to defend.

You idiot, the sheet music is produced by his boss(ES). More examples of your ignorance. Just because maybe a group of 3 people spent a few good minutes putting together 6 different chords and formulating a song, doesn't make Justin Beiber some sort of prodigy music genius, because that music wasn't made with him/by him, it was only given to him to popularize, get it? (No, you don't). Not to mention, if you don't think most of this "music" is made in masses, copyrighted, and stashed away, you're fucking crazy. They don't make these songs on a whim.

What? Probably your most retarded point yet. Local record stores/cd stores hardly even exist anymore, with them differentiation was much more possible. It IS forced down to people in the sense that the radio (Which is controlled by COMPANIES who live to make money) is the primary source for most people's music. Most people don't care/won't make the effort to discover other music so they allow this trash to be forced down their throat. It's the reason some nicki manij song is the "New shit yo", It's the same reason "Smells like teen spirit" was blasting over every radio 20 years ago. What the radio plays, a generation (In majority) will like. Are you new to this country or what's up? Except when slts was playing, people could still go to the record store and find music. Now if it isn't the radio, it's all digital/itunes which exposes mainly the stuff on the radio. And no one would want to pay .99 a song especially in this current economy to risk on some new music. But aside from all of that, like I said people don't normally care to find new music. A lot of people do, but the majority really doesn't.

Okay, your right it requires a deal of talent (Not usually on the singer's part but whatever) to create those garbage songs with generic and trendy lyrics. Not a very high level of talent, but some talent nonetheless. Therefore, I could elect several bands and say they are much more talented than pop singer X and I'd be 100% right because they put a lot more effort into their music and that's inevitable.

Also, you do realize you're not making some sort of factual argument with "Proof" right? In fact, I think the only thing that was proved in this entire ramble of an argument is that pop singers don't write their own music so they shouldn't have a place in the music industry. Otherwise everyone with a different voice (Which is everyone...) should have a place in the industry....

"I have stated my side and placed the proof at your feet where as you have yet to even come up with a single defense to your opinion you claim as fact."

Also, you placed no "proof" at my feet so please stop trying to sound like you're "winning this argument".... Again, my defense to pop being shit is because it's a load of fake, pre-written hogwash you babbling buffoon.

Wait for it............................Pop music is shit because it's fake, I've answered/proved that numerous times.

Some of this is arguable but It's a good point, let me explain.

First off, I don't know if I'd classify ABBA or the beatles in that lump, as both of them created all of their own music (Lennon-mccartney was probably the greatest song writing duo of all-time, arguably [don't get your panties in a wad Deadsyn, everything is opinionated and equal..... bruno mars is as good/talented/worthy as the beatles]). But yeah, not to mention I don't really consider either of them pop necessarily.

Michael Jackson, though, think about this. How many people would have liked him had he not put on his performances. How many people would listen to Thriller without the backing of the dancing and the wolves, etc? How many people would like smooth criminal without that moonwalk being busted out? Sure there would still be a fan base, no doubt, but I guarantee (I'd put money on it) that it would be significantly less if MJ didn't have that "Image". In fact MJ might have never existed without that dancing, king of pop, moon-walking act.

And then your best point yet is your last sentence. "Image". It pretty much defines the success of someone or something. Most pop is based on image, so it's easy to get people to like whatever songs come out of that mouth because you're already drawn in by the image. Essentially, the "Image" is their music and their held very unnecessarily highly for that, and it's bullshit.

Tl;dr: Do I think the op should branch out and discover real, talented, and better music? Sure, there is a lot out there that is way more deserving to the ears than this mediocre stuff you hear all the time. Do I think it makes op gay? Of course not. What makes you gay is if you like wieners in your butt or if you like to put your wiener in a guy's butt. You can listen to what you want, but to say that most modern music is just as good as the next is almost false in the sense that is doesn't require as much talent and creativity, and they definitely didn't put as much work into "Their songs" (If you want to call it theirs...) as someone/a band who is/are the sole creators of all of their work. I think the op understands that too, and a lot more people are also starting to realize that because it's true. Like I said it's just a shame everything is digital so you know whoever is controlling the industry chooses what gets the most exposure, there's no question about it. It's not just one person either, but it IS the reason that the biggest producers are the one's who are credited on most #1 songs. It's just the way it is. Sorry the tldr is long.

 

w00t im a 21 year old guy n i love listening to oldies (air supply, pet shop boys n more) and especially the love songs! so no problem bro.

 

There really isn't a problem with pop. I listent o it all the time. Just be yourself

 

No it isn't weird, everyone likes different music.


That being said I hate pop a lot, try other genres and if you still like pop best then listen to it

 

It doesn't matter what people think, if you like it, listen to it.

 

Just listen to whatever you want mate

 

Kind of like bands who became world renound for covers. No one seems to care about those though.

I used to be -exactly- like you. But when push comes to shove it isn't skill or talent that is a requirement, it's marketing. If a group now a-days can't at least put the effort into using the widely available options to market their music then I have a really, really hard time feeling bad for them.

The days of needing luck and a label to take you is over, it is much easier to make a name for yourself.

Let me put it bluntly. No one cares. Really, as long as a person enjoys the music who cares what effort the performer put into it. Music is a product, even the best artists realize this, this is why they're successful.

Because this was the case with Johnny Cash performing Hurt, a song he didn't write. Or like 90% of what Frank Sinatra performed.

What does this even mean.

Yeah, no. It's the same as it has always been. Please stop looking at the past with rose tinted glasses.

Wrong.

What is worthy of listening to is dictated by the end consumer. You can not change this fact.

I like some pop songs and I like lots of other stuff, care to make more generalizations about people?

The radio is largely becoming an unnecessary medium, the internet seems to be doing a lot better. I mean look at Gangnam style; an international superhit thanks to the internet.

Your mistake is assuming the radio is necessary.

It doesn't matter who wrote it, it all comes down to being not your tastes.

Again, no one cares who the hell wrote what. A catchy song is a catchy song to anyone who listens. It's not like their songs are stained by the blood of children.

That's great for them, but what does this have to do with the end product. Oh yeah, nothing.

Annnnd here's the kicker, almost no one cares. As a musician myself who greatly appreciates music, I wouldn't exactly care if my main audience didn't care about how much passion I put into my work. It only matters that it's fulfilling to me, why should I care about how people take my art?

Or you know, bands could attempt to use the same communication networks they use to get their music known to the general public. It isn't the responsibility of the listeners to get you popular, it's the responsibility of the owner of the product to help tear down the existing infrastructure. Make your audience agree with a change in pace.

Of course major companies will play it safe, but you can't rely on them to promote YOUR WORK. YOU have to do it YOURSELF. You can't just sit on your fucking ass and hope to be popular, YOU have to do the legwork.

This is how it has always been for bands that couldn't rely on a company to pick them up. So quit bitching.