Disallow use of other websites for sales.

Hello all,

I'm not sure if this is against the rules already, but I doubt it (there are no specifics on these cases in the rules as far as I'm aware).

Recently I have come accross waay to many gold sellers for instance, who sell gold via a website.

I feel Sythe.org is a community with a black market for a reason; If people post threads here, they should NOT be allowed to link their RuneScape sale based website. Now, if you post, sell your gold to another member, don't act as a 3rd party website requesting buyers to buy off your site; This, firstly is a form of advertisement, and most importantly may (in case of newcomers) give a false reputation of being a known GP seller.

If someone wants to advertise their website, they should be allowed, in the signature, or buy a spot on sythe.org, but not in gold sales threads.

Here is an example:
http://www.sythe.org/runescape-gold-sales/1520813-sell-rs-gold-3-2-10m.html

I added the person and the following conversation went down (I can take pictures if anyone really wants me to):

[13:28:45] mmg4gold: hi may i help u?
[13:28:47] Daniel S.: heya
[13:28:51] Daniel S.: how much gp do you have in stock?
[13:29:24] mmg4gold: 33/M
[13:29:31] mmg4gold: www.mmg4gold.com
[13:29:42] Daniel S.: How much do you have? gp.
[13:29:50] mmg4gold: enough
[13:29:55] Daniel S.: Okie.
[13:30:02] Daniel S.: I'd like to buy say 750M
[13:30:12] Daniel S.: is WU a payment option?
[13:34:26] mmg4gold: what you mean?
[13:34:30] mmg4gold: sorry
[13:34:52] mmg4gold: you cant buy 750M or?
[13:37:21] Daniel S.: what
[13:37:25] Daniel S.: i dont understand what ur saying now
[13:37:33] Daniel S.: why cant I?
[13:37:38] mmg4gold: ... you buy 750M?
[13:37:41] Daniel S.: yes
[13:37:46] mmg4gold: ok
[13:38:31] mmg4gold: you can order 500+250 or [email protected]
[13:39:01] Daniel S.: what?
[13:40:05] mmg4gold: 230$ /750moK
[13:40:27] Daniel S.: 1 se
[13:40:27] Daniel S.: c
[13:40:35] mmg4gold: sure
[13:40:40] Daniel S.: OK
[13:40:44] mmg4gold: i am checking now
[13:40:58] Daniel S.: are u okay
[13:41:03] Daniel S.: with official middleman, or?
[13:41:46] mmg4gold: [email protected] plz
[13:42:06] mmg4gold: we can trad 2or more time
[13:42:26] mmg4gold: but you go first plz
[13:42:42] Daniel S.: No thank you, good luck with your business.
[13:42:45] mmg4gold: there is no middleman
[13:42:49] mmg4gold: ok
[13:42:59] mmg4gold: have a nice day
[13:43:07] Daniel S.: u2u2

Someone posting on behalf of a website (as seen in the above thread) is requesting me to go first and is clearly denying the use of OMM with an excuse which doesn't even make any sense 'there is no middleman'.

This, in case of less experienced members MAY lead to them believing, that a website must surely be legitimate and therefore go first, which may well easily even end up in the individual being scammed.

Another example:

I have nothing against Arcus Isidar, but when I contacted him when I was banned about buying gold, he redirected me to 2147m.com (or something like that); Even though I was trying to buy via WU. My problem with that: As I said before, Sythe.org is a community revolving around RuneScape mostly, and it's black market; I come here to buy gold or sell gold to other members, etc, not websites.

On the other hand, when I buy gold, people gain personal information about me (such as my full name, my location (city, country)) which is more than enough. I do NOT feel comfortable giving out my Mailing address and my phone number to strangers who just set up a website, which makes 10 minutes to do so (regardless of how much they have handled, how legit they are, personal information is personal information, for a reason).

OH and I forgot:
Playerauctions: Why allow people to come here, to advertise their PlayerAuctions sales? That is a completely different website, they can either sell to sythe.org's members, or sell ON playerauctions; Let's not combine them both and gain traffic on our playeracutions profile.

This sort of advertising and use of 3rd party websites should not be allowed, just like people who advertise runescape private servers or other market sites, are banned.

That is all.
If you have any questions or opinions, please let me know.

 

Most people use websites for fraud protection. If you don't feel safe with that then dont trade.

No support.

 

Thank you for putting 0 thought into my post and posting a 'Don't like it? Then leave.' response.

Fraud protection?

Oh. Then I can just as you say if I don't feel safe I shouldn't trade, I can go ahead and say, if you don't feel safe from frauded payments, don't use Paypal, or don't sell? (WU for instance can't really be frauded).

PS: I traded via PayPal for over 2 years in the past, sold pins, etc, NEVER had chargebacks; So why should I be the one to adhere to sellers' wishes? As a matter of fact, I'm the one trying to buy VIA sythe.org, afterall... And even when I offer WU, people still give me their ridiclious websites to use. Or has sythe's black market became an advertising forum whilst I was banned?

See ******.com aka Holy_ml from PowerBot; I have traded over 2B with him, and NEVER forced me to use his stupid website. Never had any issues either.

 

Nobody would chargeback a pin. Im talking about $250+ trades.

Plus it is easier to track gold sales when ordering @ a website; i dont see the issue?

 

Heatz, if you aren't going to respond to my argument, nor going to give this post any thoughts, please refrain from further posting; You have not responded to ANY of the arguments I have stated (except for the most vulnerable one, of me being an ex pin seller, saying people wouldn't charge back $4.50 (the price I used to sell @). I got your point of view, there is no need of repeating it more times, phrasing it differently.

I have sold gold as well; It's not the value in question; Your response is nonsense, because it is completely biased towards the sellers. You say, if I don't like it, I shouldn't trade; Why can't I say, if sellers are scared of PayPal, they shouldn't sell using it?

Easier to track? What exactly do I want to track? The sellers can track for themselves, if they like, that's not my issue. So a website shouldn't be used for that reason.

And here goes another Skype convo:

[14:22:03] young: buy gold ?
[14:23:55] young: buy rs gold ?
[14:23:57] Daniel S.: heya
[14:23:58] Daniel S.: yea
[14:24:49] young: what is ur price ?
[14:26:23] Daniel S.: u say the price, I'll say if i like it or not
[14:26:33] young: .33
[14:27:30] Daniel S.: make it .3 as I'm looking to purchase around 1B
[14:28:16] young: ok , http://www.sythe.org/vouches-forum/1475835-moes-vouches.html that is my site , you pay me thru there or ...
[14:29:34] Daniel S.: lol?
[14:30:16] young: .3 is ok
[14:31:09] Daniel S.: Firstly
[14:31:21] Daniel S.: That is moes' vouches, second of all, I don't care about your website.
[14:31:39] Daniel S.: We may use an OMM, but I ain't interested in your 'website' thanks.
[14:35:07] young: it is ok ...

Also: Do not forget, how missleading these type of conversations may be, for newcomers, who may think that all websites are reputable.

PS: sythe.org, to my knowledge is still not a website for RuneScape websites' advertising.

 

If websites are to be used, so be it, on a partial note i agree with heatz but with that said i have to make it very clear that i am adverse to all Websites being used.
Certain users on this site will direct you to safe, well credited and accountable sites, R2Pleasent, RSultimate, just to name 2 of the very few.

I believe any new user attempting to pursue a person to head to an outside site upon joining should be watched and this should be disallowed.
I am not a big gold buyer but i do buy gold;
Sites do not always mean security, I feel safer with people.

Thats my point of view, and before anyone says people scam! or something to that effect, let me say sites scam, i am not going to bring any sites into question, just a heads up, its happened to me.
So its all a matter of opinion in the end? is it not?

 

I understand where you are coming from, but usually when a member has a website they are a trusted gold seller, as they have enough gold and money to support the website. If you don't like using websites for sales, then just end the conversation at site. Most of the extremely trusted gold shops on sythe include using their website as it's 24/7 and faster/ less hassle.

 

Websites keep track of orders and deliveries for the gold sellers' inventory purposes. They can see who bought what, when. As well as fraud protection such as collecting ID and gathering personal information to make sure you're the owner of the Paypal account (to prevent being charged back).

No support at all. This is almost as terrible of a suggestion as the guy who suggested we ban party hat sales.

 

I understand that; Let them keep track as they want, but I feel it is unnecessary to request such personal information as my mailing address etc, when I offered Arcus to GO FIRST via WU; That is just an example. I understand, how it's preventing frauds for PayPal transactions, but that is NOT my issue, nor should it be the buyer's.

 

Websites help with fraud, not everyone can do WU and have to use PayPal. If people are willing to give their mailing address then they can.

 

It helps prevent chargebacks and prevent from fraud. It's all for protection. The seller deserves protection against the buyer, especially when gold can't be chargedback but PayPal payments can. No support. Ever.

 

So you all say that when you buy from a website it's impossible to perform a successful chargeback? If so, you're wrong. So then where's this protection? Also please also look at the reasons I stated, don't only stick to this one aspect. 5 people have posted so far, it's protection. There's no need for another 25 to post it.

 

This, it helps cover chargebacks, Its better to have a little more protection in case something happens, and the seller is always at risk.

 

Agreed. I have been charged back way too much in the past and believe that sellers deserve as much protection as the buyer. No support, unless you'd like to cover my losses.

 

Going to have to go with no support on this one.

Like others have said, the reason most of these gold websites collect so much of your personal info is to protect themselves from users who plan on charging back. Some gold sellers prefer to use their website because it's easier for them to keep track of all the information from their buyers.

People like Arcus have to deal with quite a bit of sales on a daily basis, trying to keep up with that kind of information would be exhausting.

If you manage to run into a seller that is wanting you to use a website but you don't want to give out your personal info just remove him from your contacts and find another, but having the ability for gold sellers to use their websites to sell their gold taken away from them is just pointless..

 

No, it doesn't stop them but it does help. It stops people using proxy's and kids using their mom's PayPal and Credit Cards without their permission. If it stops some then its successful. If you don't like the gold websites then simply don't buy from them.

 

No support. All sales are mutual agreements. If you don't agree with the policy of using a website, don't trade.

 

All the "No support" posts sum up the reason this isn't going to happen. Closed and denied.