This Should Be Applied

Give me 1 example of a decent suggestion getting shot down by a troll/flamer. No need to be passive agressive about this.

 

Anything I show you, it will be automatically shot down. So there's no need to get any further into this. If you guys think this is such a stupid idea maybe you want to go talk to the owner of a few websites larger than this, where these exact stickies are put up. So to reflect on what I said earlier, obviously this forum is what I thought it was. Maybe this forum is so messed up because everybody agrees with the most popular members of the site, instead of advocating the actual GOOD ideas. I'm 100% certain if a mod was to present this same idea, it would be stickied without a problem, or at least I wouldn't get the amount of flaming and ridiculing.

 

People are punished for flaming, personal abuse, trolling etc anyway, I don't see the problem?

People know it's not allowed.

 

Well we aren't larger websites with the same stickies. We are Sythe. This isn't a good idea. There are rule already in place and what you're suggesting to to increase the severity of punishment is ridiculous. The idea is a bad one, we've explained why it is a bad one, but you won't listen. We aren't the ones being difficult here.

 

You honestly can't say it's a bad idea when it's stickied on numerous other websites. So there's something else behind your motive to not support this idea? See what I'm getting at pal? People know there's punishment for flaming, trolling, and slander in the Something For All section and there's a sticky about it. So are you saying suggestions shouldn't be discussed in the same way you debate in the SFA section or what?

 

Trolling outside of spam forum, personal abuse, etc. are all covered in infractions and rules as it is. Adding a sticky in every single section is just absurd. If that's the case there may as well be a sticky for every rule that applies. SFA is a special case because I believe Richard made the section for use.

 

I am not sure what you're insinuating here but it is obvious that you don't get it. Are you suggesting that we increase the punishment for trolling in the Suggestions Forum, which is what you OP says or are you just wanting a sticky? If you have read the rules for the entire site then you would see that there are rules specifically about trolling outside of the spam forum. I am not sure if you're just thick skulled or what, but we've explained that there are rules in place. There doesn't need to be a sticky in each and every section warning about trolling. That is just not pragmatic. The SFA is where you have intelligent debate about real world topic - they're very specific rules in that section to maintain those debates. The Suggestion forum on the other hand is more freeform and not as strict on the quality of posts but still maintains the same quality that is expected throughout the rest of the site.


Now please give me a few examples of where you have seen people maliciously harassed. I just don't see it happening. If something is a bad idea I am not going to appease the poster by saying 'Nice job kid, but this idea just doesn't cut it' I am not here to make sure your feel good are all in line.

For your reference, taken directly from the official rules area:

 

I'm specifically talking about the Suggestions section.

@ Emporer_Nero, So basically what you're trying to say is Suggestions that decide further development of this site shouldn't be held at the same discussion level as something in the SFA section? That my friend, is absurd. Suggestions are clearly up for debate, so it's common practice to have rules and guidelines in place to prevent them from getting out of hand. It's not going to just stop the trolling and useless slander is suggestions, but it'll make the poster a better debater as a whole, and we'll see less childish posts on something that could actually help the site if the topic is developed further, or even if it isnt. I couldn't find an example for you, I'm not taking the time out to search through pages and pages looking for some good ones, but I re-call users like x339 posting here when I wasn't registered, and the threads turned into an all out hate fest and spam fest. So that is an example, and there have been plenty more from then on, but I'm not going to take the time out of my day to look for them at the moment.

 

A sticky wont stop users like the ones you're talking about. They'll all be appropriately infracted if you report the post. There's no issue.

 

If you don't wish to provide support for your argument then why even post a thread to begin with? You would be taken much more seriously if you actually argued a point. As in:

Here are the examples:
Here is why they are bad:
Here is the solution to the problem:

That is how a valid suggestion should be setup.

Also the Suggestion forum doesn't decide the future development of the site. It is where you can suggest ideas that you think would improve something and where the community as a whole discusses them and debates them. In the end the discussion and debate only goes so far because the upper staff/admins decide where they are going to develop and what the best solutions for the site are. It can influence development and rule changes, but it isn't the sole decider - it isn't even the most important factor in site development.

Also anyone who trolled x339 were dealt with as anyone else who trolls is dealt with. They are infracted and the mods move on. Again, it is stupid to ban someone for trolling non-maliciously or spamming. We try to retain members, not ban them because they make fun of someone's ridiculous idea.

 

Yes it will. It's there to remind people, that's what a sticky is suppose to be used for. Then I guess if they break the rules of the sticky, I agree that there punishment should be harsher than just an infraction, because frankly I'm tired of seeing it, and I'm sure a lot of other people are too. Just Sub-Forum ban them for 3-4 days, and they'll get another chance at being helpful in the suggestion forum when they've done their time. You can use the report button for this as well. Really, the topics are getting heated and then it causes people to fight, and it increases tension all throughout the forum. It's different than any other arguments because people want to impress the moderators and admins more than anything, and the sites seen that's where most of the moderators and admins hang out. It's just since that's such a wide spread place for discussion, it should be kept clear of trolls and fighting, so people can learn how to debate properly, and numerous other reasons. Having proper debates and discussions in the end, leads to better ideas and suggestions. Thus, making the site flourish.

 

Using your own example, I doubt a thread stating an already existent rule would deter users such as, in your example "x399", etc. who've already used the forums for a number of years.

If they troll/spam/flame/abuse a certain number of times they will be temped.

If you start adding stickies just to clarify rules, you'll end up with 15 stickies on one sub-forum and the problem will continue to be there.

 

x339 was actually a good debater, why would you want to deter him from the suggestion forum? I'm talking about the suggestion forum specifically, not any other sub-forums. It's a rule to be kept as a reminder for people who've made it a habit to constantly try to troll people's suggestions because they think they're funny, or people who don't debate properly and just try to start fights when somebody has a different opinion, or because they don't know how to debate properly. I'm pretty sure it could be put in the same sticky as "I Support = Spam" am I right? I mean a sticky stating that "I support = spam" should already be a given in this situation, if you're going to argue in the suggestions forum you shouldn't even think about just saying "I support". Maybe to elaborate on my main idea, make a sticky stating that a user needs to explain themselves in a reasonable fashion, and if they fail to do that, they can be warned a couple of times, but ultimately it would lead to a 3-4 day suggestion forum ban.

 

Its called the report button.