Be harsher on people who ban evade

Too often i see people get pardoned because they think its better for them to ban evade and become trusted and then magically 'come clean' once theyve accumulated a few vouches because they think they'll have a better chance at being pardoned then the others who don't ban evade and wait out the 6 months fairly. I say you take harsher punishments such as delaying these people and denying them at least for another 6 months while you re-consider the people who have been clean outside their sythe ban.

Just my suggestion, maybe it belongs in staff feedback.

 

Ban evasion is oftentimes a nail-in-the-coffin for disputes. I've seen people who fake-vouched or other minor offenses that later vaded--and the evasion is what seals the deal. I personally find disputes from ban evaders much less-easy to pardon than bans from non-vaders (for the most part).

I'm curious if you have any specific verdicts in mind though, pm me if there were some disputes that you think should have gone the other way (nothing can be done at this point but it will give me some insight into your reasoning at least)

 

Could you provide some recent examples? Thanks!

 

I can,
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1470992
ban evaded what 4+ times and is now being unbanned or atleast reaching voting. Im looking through other

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1473447
receiving support .

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1467889
received some support.

While i dont like deathsnova all that much, he has a very valid point. Ban evasion seems to be taken very lightly when someone posts a high pardon

This is only the case it seems when they dont own up to the vading, Alot of people post that they were vading and it seems the fact that they broke the rules is dismissed because they showed the smallest bit of honesty. Might i add that your detective work is AMAZING video, I have seen atleast a dozen cases where you have put in a bit of detective work and caught people in a lie in their pardon and essentially changed everyones support to a no support. Great job detective

 

Yeah I think this is a valid point. Regardless of who they are they basically said fuck you to the site by vading and are undeserving of getting an unban for at least another 6 months.

 

So basically if you are a vader I think you should have to wait a year to highpardon, because of the fact it's 6 months for everyone else, and as Jack said they pretty much didn't care when they vaded anyways. So make them wait another 6 months.

 

What he said, this guy was what made me think of it
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?p=11518425#post11518425
He ban evades 4 times, and the only reason he is getting support is because he is 'confessing' to the staff when they would of found out about it eventually.
Compared to say this guy (it was really hard to find a high pardon without ban evasion as an offence)
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1465679
Who waited 6 months fairly and wants to high pardon, do you think he would of gotten more support if he 'Came clean' on another account with lots of vouches?
I do, so im asking you to reverse your thoughts on this and that coming clean on a ban evaded account isnt as respectable as its thought of.

 

Veng n death at this point has more "no supports" than supports and I will be adding my own vote of no support as well. And Dcraig claims his brother is the one who filed disputes on 10 people, which even if it is true, there's no guarantee it won't happen again. Disputes even if they get denied, cause Paypal to look negatively upon an account (have a lot of experience with this myself) so yeah, either way I don't want him back.

As for the further-up-posted disputes,

I Ko I has support because his original ban reason is pretty BS, and he admitted to the scam right after it happened (which he thought wasn't even a scam). If he hadn't ban evaded and just posted a pardon today, I would have supported it. It's irrelevant how many times he's ban evaded, I'm willing to support because the original ban reason is pretty lame.

Road2Death is never getting unbanned, not to worry. See my most-recent post.

Xenoftw/britain I would have denied, although I was also the one who caught him vading so maybe I'm a little biased there.

I can tell you for certain that evasion is always considered (negatively) in disputes. IMO we don't give special treatment to people who vaded but had vouches, rather we are more favorable in our outcomes if the original ban reason was minor

 

I feel that this is true too. Not the fact that they ban evaded being leaned, but the fact that BECAUSE one of their accounts was trusted, or had vouches, or was in good with staff, AND ban evaded, they should at least have to wait longer for admission to the site. I believe that if you are caught ban evading without admitting to it, you should get an extra year added to your "High Pardon" time, and if you admit to it, it should be an extra 6 months.

Even if someone tries to get a pardon for an original ban that was bullshit in the first place, if the ban evaded, THEY SHOULD RECIEVE MORE PUNISHMENT, ALONG WITH THE ORIGINAL PUNISHMENT. The only possible way to punish those who are not on Sythe is by not allowing them onto Sythe for even longer, no matter what.

All too often, I see people ban evading, MULTIPLE TIMES, confess, and then the original ban reason is looked at over the evasion. If ANYONE, whether it's the most trusted gold seller on here or the worst scammer on Sythe, ban evades, they should get punishment. Almost ANYONE should have to wait longer to high pardon after ban evading, unless the account that was created afterwards wasn't used to trade or post.

If you ban evade, and start posting normally on Sythe and making trades, you might as well be lying to the whole staff and people of Sythe, not only about your identity but also about your trust, and it should be taken care of. By ban evading, you are showing that you are a liar(By "pretending" to be someone else), and untrustworthy. We should be trying to rid Sythe of liars and untrustworthy people. Their pardon shouldn't even make it to voting, because being banned is a stupid reason to continue breaking rules.

 

Yea I agree, ban evading shouldn't ever help your case.

 

I agree with this part here, but maybe a better time frame. I mean you might as well admit that you can't keep away from the site after the original ban because it is usually pretty obvious who you were anyways. Pretending like it was a whole other person who did the things you did just goes to show how little regret you have for your past action(s) and you'll likely go down the same path.

 

Guys, we have the high pardon process fully under control and will continue to use logical thinking and reasoning.