Immigration - All countries.

This might end up in "Something for All", but I'm not sure yet. I'll let an Admin decide once they get around to it.

Alright so, I'm Chinese and born in Canada. But I don't think immigrants should be allowed in Canada/United States or any other country without them contributing to society or understanding the society they live in and also language(which is important). My parents have been here for over 30 years, and they barely know any English at all, and it really bothers me... REALLY BAD! Now understand, 30 years is a long time to learn English, and not to mention everyone around you and you being surrounded with English constantly shouldn't be too hard. My parents barely know anything about English. My mum's from China, my father's from Vietnam(still Chinese).

Now they don't care about their freedom, and they don't understand what's unlawful. I smoke a lot of weed, and they've given me a lot of problems and arguments to fight over that with. The cops in my city don't care about weed at all, unless you're running a grow op, but that's a different story. Most important thing is, they don't care, and only care about "THE LAW". Meaning once again, as I stated before, they don't care about freedom, but obey the law. I understand that, but they should understand that it's decriminalized, and no matter what they say I'll still be smoking weed. Because I understand it's not harmful, and my father smokes cigarettes(we know where that goes).

Asides that fact from them not caring about their freedom and so on, it's important to contribute to society. Understand it, learn from it and so on, but my parents don't do that. I personally don't think my parents should have been allowed in Canada to begin with, all of you are going to jump on the ball and say "They came all the way over here to give you a better life". That's true, and I do agree with you people, but the reality of it is, my parents are useless to society. And I'm probably going to be useless to society as well, unless something amazing happens(but I doubt that). My father's a chef and sometimes server at this buffet type style thing. I've worked alongside my father and watched him before I worked with him, his English is absolute shit. It's just not understandable, and he just mumbles random English words. I mean that gets him through and everything, but it's kinda sad and unprofessional for his job.

But that's just a little example of what my parents are like. Anyways, about other people, they've been here for a really long time as well and don't understand English or contribute to society at all or even really have a place in society. I personally just think they shouldn't be in a country where they don't understand the language and so on. I mean if they're visiting, that's different, but living here? Whole different story, and it really irritates me that places like British Columbia, California, and other states and provinces, not to mention other countries are having this problem. I mean if you're going to move to a different country, you must learn their language, culture, and the different type of society.

tl;dr - Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to move/stay in a different country if they don't understand their culture/society/language and so on?

-LeetNeo.

 

tl;dr - Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to move/stay in a different country if they don't understand their culture/society/language and so on?

I just skemmed what you wrote and I do believe this would go in something for all...now that, that is over

I believe if they come to a country work get paid and spend the money back into our economy then it is fine.

If they work get paid and send most of what they are getting paid back to their home country then that is messing with our economy and it messed us up.

 

Hm it is against the law. You are under age and live under your parents roof. You should obey them. Freedom is not only about smoking weed. Go live in china and tell me you have any kind of freedom you have here.

You'r parents obviously game here because of the lack of freedom in china. You should thank them for all they have done for you. Or else you would be living in china right now. And i don't think you would like that very much. If people live in bad conditions and want to leave they have that right. As long as they go by the right channels to do so.

I don't think this is about immigration at all its about you resenting your parents for have different views then you. When your 18 move out and then you can smoke weed all you want, and complain about those damn dirty immigrants invading our country.

Little known fact us "Canadians" came to this land and killed, raped, stole from the natives. We manipulated the native canadians and stole their land. We pushed our language and our culture upon them. Then we stuffed them all in these little reserves and said "FUCK YOU THIS IS OUR LAND BITCH"

 

I understand freedom isn't just about smoking weed, but there's freedom of choice and so on. Ron Paul is a supporter of freedom of choice, and I am too. I don't smoke weed in my parents property, and I go off the property and very far away to do so. I can also understand bad living conditions, but I think my parents would've been fine if they stayed in their home country.

Also about Canada's history about the natives, they should start smartening up on the streets, they're giving natives a bad name. They're constantly always drunk and on drugs(possibly more serious than weed).

-LeetNeo.

 

I completely agree with you. If you're not happy in your country, that doesn't give you a right to go mooch somewhere else. You need to contribute to society just as any other individual would.

 

+1

I think we can be great friends, lets exchange contact info.

-LeetNeo.

 

Your comparison to Ron Paul is misinformed. Ron Paul is about as politically relevant as lynching. Also you completely missed his point. The English and French came here and destroyed native culture and took all their land as their own. Freedom is more than letting someone smoke weed if they want to, and i think you lack the understanding of freedom. While it may be right to be productive in society, if I have true freedom it means I don't have to donanything I don't want to do. Forcing people adopt a culture, forcing them to work, forcing them onto reservations where they are doomed to anpitiful existence isn't freedom.

 

Let me sum up what I've read:

Argument #1.

Reasoning: none
Evidence: none

Argument #2:

Reasoning: none
Evidence: none

I understand what you mean but, I will ask. Why is it important that they understand their society and contribute to it?

 

I was simply giving an example of a freedom of choice supporter. About your freedom statement you addressed to me. They're living and breathing in a society that doesn't fit them. They shouldn't be here in the first place if they don't understand say English, and especially after that many years in the country... About the English and French coming here, I understood him. But currently the natives in our country have no self respect. They get drunk constantly, and sometimes use hard drugs.

What you read* Maybe if you read my whole post, I gave more than a few reasons why. If they're in a society, they don't contribute and just take(mooch) as Kill Dank said, what good are they to the country? They're a waste of space, do you know how gorgeous L.A. looked in the 40's, 50's, 60's and so on and eventually after all that it just went down hill? People started immigrating in, cause they simply can, and for their own benefit. If Asians or other people didn't immigrate to say Vancouver, it wouldn't be nicknamed "Hongcouver" cause all the Chinese just came in from Hong Kong. Also, the population of California wouldn't be bigger than Canada causing people to lose jobs, instead there would be a lot more jobs.

-LeetNeo.

 

I'll summarize the main points of what you wrote up there.

First paragraph:
It bothers you that your parents can barely even speak English, despite having lived in Canada for 30 years and having people around them who speak english.

Second paragraph:
Your parents don't care about freedom, but care about the law only.

Third paragraph:
You believe that people who contribute to society, but since your parents are useless to society. Your father is a chef and a server at a buffet. Thus, your parents shouldn't have been allowed in the country.

Fourth paragraph:
People who don't understand the society that they live in, can not speak the language of the country and don't have a place in society shouldn't be allowed in the country.

Yes, I've read the entire post and only saw complaints and more examples of those complaints of immigrants who are useless to society. The only reasoning that is in relation with your points were made in the post after I asked the question.

In your fourth paragraph, you claimed that your parents were just an example. But judging by the length and details that you have gone into, this thread was not created with the purpose of arguing about immigrants in countries doing nothing.

You said that your father is a chef and maybe a server at a buffet-style restaurant or such. Isn't that contributing to society? But it seems that the disappointment and embarrassment here is that he doesn't speak English. He's lived here for over 30 years but you're upset at the fact that he still can't speak the language even though he had so much time and so many chances to learn it. You also talked about him mumbling random English words. But to whom? You? I don't think so.

Maybe some other people, for example, customers had trouble talking to your father because he couldn't speak English, which led to more details about him not being able to talk the language correctly and your embarrassment.

You also talked about you having constant arguments with your parents about weed. You feel that it's okay, since it's decriminalized, but your parents don't because it's against the law. The law which exists of course, because it's thought to be bad. You also add that your father smokes cigarettes.

This bit was a bit interesting.
You think your father as a hypocrite because he tells you that weed is against the law and has gone into or at least tried to go into the details of why it's bad for your health. But, your father smokes cigarettes, which are known to be worse for your health than weed.

Your father, here was contributing or at least trying to contribute to society. He's trying to stop you from committing a crime. However, you don't listen to him and you continue to break a law.

This thread wasn't created with the purpose of arguing about immigrants who are useless to society. You just jumped to that conclusion because you are upset, disappointed, and embarrassed because of your parents.

 

I am what you listed, upset, disappointed and embarrassed and I do agree with you. I forgot to mention, my mum cares about the weed more than my father. I doubt my father even cares all that much, but he cares because my mum cares and nags him "YOUR SON IS SMOKING WEED!". People commit crimes all the time, jay-walking is a crime, do the cops really care? Not really at all. My father mumbles random English words to costumers that don't make sense, customers just play along cause he's serving the food and see him everyday except two days in the week. I can't say that he contributes much to society, being in Canada, unless you call cooking and serving food to people something to contribute. It's his job anyhow, he wouldn't be doing those things if he wasn't being paid. I highly doubt he's ever volunteered in Canada, EVER.

I know a lot more people much like my parents, who don't understand English and don't contribute to society. I meant to have this thread in mind to people who immigrate to other places and do nothing for society and don't bother to learn the language. Close friend of mine, I believe it was his grandfather, here for over 5 decades(got here in his late 20's) and still doesn't understand anything other than the really basic English words like "Hello, good, et cetera". Doesn't do anything but sit around till he dies, breathing our air and releasing carbon dioxide into the air. Should he be in North America? Don't think so. By the way, it's not his biological grandfather in anyway, his mum had him, and another son with another father, and then married another man.

But I'm trying to use my parents as an example of what they do and how they do things. Lets refer to the lazy kid who goes to work at McDonalds and half asses everything, and the boss writes a complaint about the kid and is using him as an example. Understand where I'm going with this? There are tons of other immigrants who are the same and just mooch off society and don't re-contribute. Don't bother to learn the language, as stated above.

Also, addressing the weed once again. Alcohol and cigarettes cause more harm to you than marijuana, I'm sure you know that. The problem with my parents is, they don't understand. When they don't understand, they criticize and judge, not try to learn. I even tried showing my parents a documentary about marijuana, they just got up and left. My father didn't care much, after a few minutes and said he had to go(and I knew he was going to go do something pointless). My mum complained about something and went upstairs to watch some shitty Chinese TV show, never came back downstairs to watch the documentary. If they're not willing to stay around and learn about something I do, I'm obviously not going to listen to what they have to say about what I do. I am smart enough to make my own decisions and I have a very good understanding of what I'm doing and know the risks. Cause lets be honest here, if I smoke crack, and I knew the risks of smoking crack, my teeth start falling out, it's my fault, correct? I think you'd agree with that at least.

-LeetNeo.

 

Alot of your points are illogical.
First off, your parents do contribute to society, probably a lot more than you do.
Your parents pay taxes, and your dad provides a service to society, by serving food, something people need to live. You also do not understand what freedom is obviously, and what we do with our freedoms, or if we even keep them. Read some of what John Locke had to say, and realize that we give up the right to do whatever we want to live in a community, but that doesn't make it bad that they take away your freedom.

You sound like a whiny 15 year old complaining that your parents wont let you smoke weed, which is ILLEGAL.

 

Not everyone who works for the government is smart.
Cops who don't follow the law are dirty cops, and should have their badges taken away from them.

Again, we give up our freedom of choice to a government when we live in a community, for the good of the people. After that you have partial freedom of choice, as long as it does not infringe upon laws or get in the way of the will of another person.

 

Everyone pays taxes if they're over 18, of course. Would my father provide that service if he wasn't paid to do it? Obviously not. I've volunteered there before, can I say I've contributed to society? Yes, I can proudly say I can. When I talk about freedom, I'm usually referring to freedom of choice. Sorry for not specifying that. But this thread is directed to people who don't contribute to society, not just my parents and should they be allowed to stay here?

About the weed, my parents just nag me not to do it or else. I've tried reasoning with them, but they just don't understand. Weed is illegal, so what? It's decriminalized... Cops don't even care anymore, I know people who have been busted with an Oz of weed and the cops just took some and gave it back to the guy and said "Have a good night". My other good friend, his father works for the government(very intelligent man) told my friend the other day "Cops don't even care about weed anymore, not even the dealers. They usually just care about the grow ops". Now I believe him because he works for the government, and people who work for the government are really smart... Lastly, my law teacher in High School even supports it, and understands teenagers will be teenagers. He even teaches us how it's decriminalized and so on, he even admits to doing it when he was younger.

My friends father manages the cities money, how is that not smart? Or would you rather allow me to apologize for not stating that? The cops in my city have better things to worry about than weed, they just don't care. So don't say they're corrupt cops cause I love Peg city cops. I live in Canada, it's barely even illegal here, once again I'm going to state that it's "DECRIMINALIZED". My law teacher even specifies that cops know it's not harmful and that they're educated about these types of things, so they don't care about it as much. Who are we really harming with weed? Is it going to kill someone directly? Is it going to destroy someones life physically? No, none to the above, people are just chilling out... Maybe you just need a joint yourself.

-LeetNeo.

 

This discussion is far from the way you started it. You wanted to talk about immigration and now its about weed, which I do not want to talk about. But, I will say this on the matter, decriminalization does not make it legal, and for a cop to find someone with weed and give it back to them is corrupt. I can understand not wanting to go out of their way to bust people, but when they do accidentally and let them go that is dirty.

 

Haha brother, we all have had our ups and downs with our parents. My point was that you should not dishonor them by using them as examples of bad immigrants.
You live in an Asian family, so you would understand what I mean by that.

In my opinion, you should edit out the stuff about your parents and repost them in the personal support section or general section reworded, under a different title, and replace it with what you said about the immigrants in LA and Vancouver causing harm to the cities.

After all, people here will be wanting to discuss illegal immigrants, not your parents.

 

your parents may be useless to society, but I think the fact they are "useless" is because they have sacrificed their prior status in their previous country to allow you to have a better life. I wont judge, and I may not know the whole story, so what I'm saying may be completely wrong, but if they have provided you opportunities, great great opportunities such as a very good education, then what I'm saying may be true, however if that is not the case it can be a whole different story.

 

I can understand if you don't want to discuss about the weed. But that's an example of my parents not understanding freedom of choice. And I do understand your points to an extent. I am trying to direct this towards the immigration topic, everyone seems to be jumping on the ball with weed on me here. Cops are at 4/20 watching people and so on smoke pot, but they're not going to bust them. But addressing your point to corruption, my law teacher had no problem with my friend being busted and handed back some weed. Cause the cops understand that you might have needed some for the night, and they're not just gonna let you run dry like that. Cops have a bit of sympathy and understanding in my city.

If my parents don't know about this and all of you don't know who I am in real life, does it really matter to my parents? I can understand the moral part of what you're saying and all that. But I have no extreme personal problems with my parents, and I know they just don't understand it cause they grew up in an Asian country full or moral law abiding citizens(most likely). But I'm not really a touchy and in need of personal support kind of guy. I've been tempted, but no. In my opinion, the people in personal support don't really care about you deep down, they just care that they want to look like they care, if you know what I'm saying. Maybe raise their post count a bit. Anyways, would like to discuss to you on MSN or Skype or whatever sometime about the stuff happening over there in South Korea.

Edit:

I know my parents have not sacrificed much before they had me and my older sibling(brother). They were having a great time and so on, they flew by plane to Canada. My education is terrible, but it's on my end, not theirs. It's like say a normal white family, of what they had to sacrifice to have kids and so on(not much). And even prior to that status, they weren't even doing much anyways. Also, you're a very wise man, and I applaud that. You have a very good handle to reason and include in many other factors about this. I'm very impressed that you consider two sides to a story. But jumping back on track people, about immigration.

-LeetNeo.

 

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