'Nothing is more anti-semetic than Zionism'

This is like a debate where the gov misinterprets the resolution. The judge will give you the loss, because you're stupid. This doesn't belong in a debate forum, this has turned into a shouting match over a single word from the original question.

JamRsPins, you tried to interpret anti-semitism literally, as opposed to the accepted meaning, and Nero called you out on it. You can close this thread, the jig is up. There is no more debate here, since you limited the topic to your own warped interpretation of a word.

Also, what happened to refraining from posting your viewpoint?? In your very first post, you said "look at this map of stolen land!!!!

 

cant we all fucking live who gives a fuck if your black white green or blue if your jew muslim catholic or anything i dont give a fuck.. if your a spastic... if you have 1 arm... half a face and 3 eyes bitch i dont care we all human fuck everyone who is prejudice to anyone just fuck you! spread love stop fucking looking for things to fight over in this world... (ragemode)

 

Wikipedia is incredibly accurate. The wikipedia moderators/editors are obsessed with maintaining factual integrity. Are you suggesting that there is an ongoing hoax in which pranksters are constanatly editing the wikipedia page for anti-semitism? That is ridiculous. Maybe I used yahoo, or bing, or something else. Maybe I just knew the URL of the website (now i'm just messing with you).

Occam's razor. Read that. The wikipedia page for occam's razor is more comprehensive, but you seem to be afraid of peer edited encyclopedia entries/democracy.

I didn't use google or wikipedia definitions. I linked you to legitimate dictionaries. Would you rather I look in a print dictionary and take a picture of the definition? I don't understand your paranoia.

If we're discussing logic, I don't see how you have logically disproven my definition as valid. If you mix two words together, the definition is not always an exact combination. Just because you know what both roots of the word "Anti-semitic" mean (which you also misspelled in the title) does not mean you can independently determine the definition.

For example. Pineapple. A pineapple is neither an apple, nor is it related to the pine species of trees. It means something completely different.


Also, do you believe the Holocaust occurred? (also Holo=whole and Caust=burnt. The Holocaust wasn't something being fully burnt. It was millions of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, etc. being murdered)

Your analogy is flawed. Also I called him out originally, not Nero. Nero is legit though.

 

This thread is a joke. First we have a guy who doesn't know what the definition of anti-Semitic is, and secondly the whole premise is stupid. Nothing is more about hating Jewish people for being Jewish than a philosophy that the should all be in one state.

The Jewish people don't deserve their own state for being Jewish. Especially when they basically decided that it would be right in the middle of Palestine. Basically after WW2 in about '48 the head of the Zionist Jewish people in Palestine just simple declared that Israel should exist for no reason.

 

The word sinister refers to those who are left-handed; it acquired its current definition because left-handedness was associated with the devil during the Middle Ages. By your logic, however, it would be perfectly appropriate to use this word in its most literal sense, even if nobody understood this foreign definition.

It's embarrassing that such a simple concept has to be explained.

 

Another simple-minded approach, like I said, it's easy to pull up google and believe anything it tells you, brainless.

Just a note on this, wrong again, scholars and students avoid use of Wikipedia, yes of course some posts are moderated, although you see many people writing crap that actually gets approved. Secondly, a lot of it is written with tendency for bias, after all it's a western source for one, but most people have motives for writing, and even if partially correct, a lot gets approved, sure it is relevant to specific topics though, but one thing is sure, Wikipedia is not a credible source of information.

Quite possibly the worst context I've ever seen, not even closely relevant on any level. Firstly you ignored the fact that antisemitic and anti-semetic are two different words. But sure yes, the term antisemitic was used a long long time ago to express anti-Jewish sentiment, but that doesn't mean to say that it's impossible for someone to be anti-semite. To be honest, it's not even important to the topic, some people just like to ignore anything meaningful and try and pick and something that they feel they don't agree with, however ill-educated it may make them look. There's nothing intelligent about trying to argue in what google told you, clearly I'm already aware of that, yet don't agree with it. If the whole world was brain dead enough to believe everything we read or so, without questioning some things, where would we be...
I'll help you out because you seem very confused. The thread asks you if you agree with the stance that Zionism movement is anti-jewish or not, irrespective of what I consider the term to mean, because there are many more points than just that. So instead of sitting here repeating what someone else has already said, effectively spamming, why don't you actually put your point across, if you even have one.

That's exactly my point, people are ignoring the topic at hand, not me. I havn't limited the topic, it is merely other posters that are picking out on something rather irrelevant, instead of actually posting a viewpoint on this. It's rather silly and stupid. But it's not me, I have my viewpoint, sorry it might not conform with a sheep-like viewpoint, but if we were all silly enough to believe everything and anything we read, where would we be.

Also, I did not post my viewpoint at first, and in my response I posted a fact, not a viewpoint, for the poster to comment on. I felt his response was limited and wanted him to comment more on it.

You complain about the thread being off-topic, yet you foolishly make a post that does exactly the same thing. Bravo sir, really, bravo.

 

Are you trolling?

I don't think you understand what google is. Google has nothing to do with content. It is only a search engine, it pulls up websites based on search terms. I could go in a book and find the exact same things. Google neither validates nor invalidates information. Scholars and students do not avoid wikipedia use. Wikipedia editors are almost wholly scholars and students. I myself, a student, use wikipedia quite regularly. Wikipedia is quite credible. I don't think there is really a discernable western bias on wikipedia. Non westerners can participate in wikipedia editing. I don't understand your paranoia

You admit that the thread title is "The thread asks you if you agree with the stance that Zionism movement is anti-jewish or not", therefore admitting that the definition of "anti-semitic" is

Code:

is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage.

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I don't understand why you distrust google and wikipedia.

 

Here is my opinion on the subject:

The Torah dictates the lifestyle of Jews, and makes them develop their intellectual capacities early on in their life, preparing them to the world of buisness. There is in that actually no problem and it is a great way to educate youth. The problem comes however from the fact that the Torah also says that Jewish population is the elite one. Stating that you are an elite is just putting everyone bellow you, and that is pure discrimination. It is even more disgusting when you remind yourselves of what happened during World war 2, and how much almost everyone had to pay for the Holocaust. Don't get me wrong, not all Jews follow the Torah "by-the-book" but too much still do. The reason why Lowkey says that nothing is more anti-semistic than Zionism is simply because the defenders of that movement threat other people as Hitler threated the Jews (Minus the mass-murdering).

But anyone who is informed about Freemasonry (not Illuminatis...) knows how repugnant and hypocritical this world can be.

Also in respond to Snatchamasta last post. You cannot just assume that because Wikipedia is available to you, it is to anyone. And it is not because you take the time to go and edit a post because you theoriticly have absolute knowledge about it and therefore can precisely describe a concept that everyone does. Most of intelligent individuals have actually lots of other concerns.

Sophisms are easy to be misconcepted as logical thinking.

 

I studied British history quite extensively at college and Chinese history quite a lot, we had to write a lot of essays, and we've always been told to never use Wikipedia as a source. Primarily it's because you have absolutely no idea who wrote it, and it is thrown together by many people. Therefore you cannot asses whether it is subjective or objective, you cannot asses whether the writer potentially had any bias in it, whether it was of perspective, the motives he/she may have had for writing it. In essay writing you need such analysis, you cannot source things that have no backing, that have no real validity. Some links go around from time to time to, I believe you called them "pranks", it just proves it really, if absolute crap gets onto Wikipedia, then sure, loosely factual things may get on. No, I don't mean in things such as chemistry ect, I'm talking anything political, anything that's based on opinion or perception. If you've a lot of essay writing at a higher level, you'll know that Google is probably the last place you look for sources, although some people use Google Scholar, which is of course reputable. That's just it really, even this read is mostly down to perception, there's no intelligent discussion if it's something that anyone can Google and know the answer to. My point about pulling up Google is simple. If I know what the definition is as of Google, then why would you feeding me that to me change my mind? It's so insignificant as well, why can't people just move on and actually focus on the topic at hand. Most people almost troll topics, ignore what the topic is about, and pick out on any little thing they think they can disagree on, it makes them look bad if anything. Taking debates to a personal level too.. well that's just pathetic, but hey that's life. People are always gonna disagree, that's life.

 

We aren't discussing british or chinese history though. That's a pretty blatant appeal to ethos. I've studied economics and political science at a college level also, hear me roar! Luckily we aren't required source our arguments using MLA on these boards.

I'm aware that wiki pranks occur (very occasionally). However I doubt messing with the definition of anti-semitism happens to be a running gag. You can use google to find any information. It is the responsibility of the researcher to use what they deem to be legitimate and factual sources. You could find the exact same article on google that you could find on google scholar, or in a physical college library.

There are objective truths in quantitive and qualitative fields. Such as etymology. Such as the definition of anti-semitic (do you see where i'm going with this?)

Laughable. Quick everyone! Whatever you do, DON'T USE GOOGLE FOR ANYTHING VAGUELY RELATED TO WRITING AN ESSAY

Are you suggesting that you don't use google (or the internet for that matter) to fact check?

Anti-semetic isn't a word. It is just an improper spelling of "anti-semitic". I am aware that wiki pranks happen.

Well, you didn't know the definition of anti-semitic.


You're either trolling or incredibly ignorant. i'm out

 

This.

The Jews who moved into Israel and essentially displaced an entire race of people did so under the guise of a sort of biblical "manifest destiny"; that simply because they were Jews and they at some point in history had claim the area and because some outdated religious book says so, they were entitled to kick an entire race of people out of their country and usurp it for themselves. Zionism is a pathetic, racist notion.

 

this is the only hint of intelligence i've seen in this thread so far

 

What you just posted was effectively spam. Very intelligent response, oh the irony.

All you just did was agree that I was right, then ramble on about nonsense. Point? Don't think you've made one single point so far, so maybe the spammer was right, leaving the thread was the only intelligent thing you've done.

 

I'm sorry op but you're using the same logic used in any conspiracy theory, in this case it's the "western education" that everyone who disagrees with you has received. We have provided sources, you ignore them. You also refuse to accept FACT that is presented.

Imo OP is an assimilated Muslim in the UK that refuses to look at the facts.

I don't think you understood my first post correctly as it was against Zionism but you only presented me with the idea that Israel has grown in land mass as a country. Yes, I know that. I was touching up on the fact that grouping jews together in a small land mass is a BAD idea. The clear reason Israel has, as you put it, "waged war on Iran" is because the Jews clearly know that if these arab countries had access to a nuclear device that they would attempt to decimate them. ( this has been proven for centuries... ) Any culture in that position would do the SAME THING. If this were just a simple territorial dispute it would have been solved by now.

Btw, the fact that your preconceived and bigoted opinions on the word antisemitism causes you to refute the factual definition is a clear demonstration of your inability to have a logical argument.

Arguing facts is a waste of time ESPECIALLY when the opposing refuses to look/provide any evidence.

 

What an idiotic thread..

Zionism: a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel.

Think before you speak.

 

I don't know what Zionism is... if you will explain it then i would be able to answer it.

Till Then Have A Look On It,
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Nazism is certainly more antisemetic.
Anyway, Zionism certainly has its flaws and extremes, but the jews have a right to stand up and have their own land as a people. It's really the US and UKs fault for placing them in the middle of palistine in 1948.

 

thats the song there, its at 2:50