Jagex Loves Money, They Won't Nuke All The Bots.

jagex loves money, they're not going to throw away all their money that people who bot pay them for membership. it's just not gonna happen. they might do a "bot nuke" but i bet you they won't even make it as effective as they could. why would they knowingly throw away their money just because a bunch of people don't like bots? so what jagex doesn't care what people want, they've made that evident with almost every update since 2007. with all the microtransactions coming out lately it's evident they just want money. with that said they're not going to stop money coming to them from the thousands of people that bot, it's just not economical. just my two sense, what do you guys think?

 

If you are not aware, they nuked the bots a few months ago and it was pretty damn successful. Color bots were the only ones not affected much or at all and they'll be the only ones alive through the whole existence of RuneScape.

They know marketing tactics and understand that if they keep the game alive for a few more years by nuking bots, they'll earn more money in the long run than they will while bots ruin RuneScape (like pre-nuke).

 

No one here can confirm your thoughts.
Even fewer people give a shit.

I seem to read that theory weekly here.

 

they did it the first time, what makes you think they wont do it again?

 

....Or their recent marketing pitches have been to raise money for an upcoming event that might decrease their profit by a substantial amount.... let's say, oh I don't know, a bot nuke?

It's obvious you're not a long-term player/botter so lemme throw this idea your way quick. Back when Aryan came out and the RS cheating scene was massive Jagex was forced to obfuscate their client to what you see today. This was not the only swing they took towards botters, a mass ban followed very shortly after (if not at the same time) and thousands upon thousands of accounts were banned.

People, at that time, believed exactly what you believe now; they won't do it, it'll hurt their income, well look how many paid the price.

Put yourself in Jagex's shoes. Let's say you really are planning a bot nuke to ban mass amounts of players from the game. To equal out the soon-to-be loss in profit, what would you do to raise money?

How about adding extensive amounts of P2P content to entice F2P members? (Done).
Maybe you would make F2P so low-quality that it makes P2P the only way to play RS? (Done and still doing...)
Perhaps you'd go as far as shutting off highscores to F2P users? (Done)
Mass advertise content exclusive to P2P all across the RS website. (Done)
Introduce a way to game away your real money for in-game items. (Done)
Encourage players to buy membership packages with in-game items. (Done)


Just something to think about...

 

bots don't ruin runescape in the first place, they basically keep it going. this game would die without bots, and they know that. 2nd, the bot nuke hardly did anything, color bots were back up within days, if that, and reflection/injection bots didn't take too long to restore either.

1. i frequent this forum daily and i've never seen this exact post, i've seen plenty about the nuke none saying what i've said. 2nd-reported for spam ^.^

when they did it the first time it didn't really make much of an impact, and i think they'll do it again but i really don't think they did what they could have , they would miss out on thousands of dollars of revenue. as a business decision it just doesn't make sense. people aren't going to quit because of bots, hardly anyone does. if bots were gone many people would quit completely, including me.

1. been playing since 02, i would consider that a long term player. 10 years is more than half my life, so i wouldn't consider myself a short time player. 2nd how bout instead of doing all those things to raise money, and then ban a ton of bots/make bots unable to work(which they couldn't even succeed at if they did want to) they could keep all the bots running, and put a few things into the game to control them to appease people. if you owned a corporation and were invested in it in a big way, you wouldn't be like ok lets ban a ton of people and lose thousands and thousands of dollars of revenue and make people quit the game, that's money directly out of their pockets. the game isn't owned by the gower brothers anymore, they're owned by a CORPORATION in american, what they say goes and that means what makes money goes and what loses money goes. even if they could knock out all bots at once they wouldn't,it would mean them losing money and they don't want that. they've shown how greedy they are since they came into the picture with loyalty points, squeals, refer a friend, f2p trade limit, cosmetic runecoin upgrades, and i bet next they will sell loyalty points.

 

They already sell loyalty points through their current system, you buy membership and you get loyalty points. They then have the bonuses for added loyalty = more loyalty points per month. They will not sell them individually as just randomly buying them defeats the point of the name. That's probably why runecoins were introduced.

 

You must be joking when you say bots don't ruin the game. Its because of bots that real people don't play anymore, people always want to better their accounts so if there was no bots, they would be forced to train by hand and a lot of players have quit because of the excessive bots. They are not able to do anything anymore, mining spots are packed, combat areas are packed. It's packed everything you go. By what? bots. Bots ruin the game and the economy. In all, all bots do is save time for whoever is using it while destroying the game as a whole for others.

If what you are saying is true (JaGeX all want money and won't nuke), they wouldn't have nuked the bots before. There was so much more bots then, so much more and they were making bank off the memberships and they knew it but still persisted on nuking the bots for the long term profit and so that the game stays alive.

100% color bot scripts weren't affected to my knowledge but other bots were. It took them a few months to recover. Still to this day, not many bots are up, you may say its because of the legal issues they face but that's not the main reason to it, it will also take too much work to get the bot working and deters them away.

You obviously don't know much or at all.

 

-Nice join date
-The first nuke took out injection for about a year
-Loyalty points are already purchased via members.

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This is all speculation. Yes it does make sense for them to keep bots for revenue but with the community constantly complaining about botters they need to [atleast appear to] combat bots. And no, botting will never truely die. "Unless the internet dies, then we'll have a minor problem."
SCAR, Simba and color bots are the cockroaches, nukes don't effect them (long term).

I really don't know what your hoping to achieve with this thread, but whatever it is... best of luck.

 

it sounds to me like someone is trying to justify botting, trying to calm your nerves a bit? haha, no doubt a bot nuke is coming, jagex is SO against botting, I believe their view is that botters take away from the fun of the legit players blah blah blah... besides banning botters is good for profit! they already got your month of membership and they will want more months from your new bot accounts lolol

 

Yeah, it's pretty easy to say "I've been playing 10 years". I remember when I learned to type words on a keyboard as well, regardless of their truth. I'm not buying it. On the other hand when I say I have a history with this I can back up whatever I'm saying. I registered here (join date: 2005) a while after RuneCMS died off. I knew Sythe when he was just a moderator on RuneCMS. Infact, look through the (Nick Stallmans?) archives and you'll find me registered as an old member even then. Kaitnieks turned into MoparIsTheBest and here's me there (member #691): http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=691

So the difference between you and I is I can prove my claims, you cannot. I've seen Jagex take action in the past, multiple times, you have not.

Also, you seem to be over-looking a very obvious observation. Mass numbers of bots drive away legit players, yes? Ok, with that in mind, let's say you're a gold farmer with 100 accounts farming gold (I personally know you're one of these people). Because your swarms of bots have driven away legitimate players you now have less of a market to sell your "farmed gold". Now what? With no customers you're not going to want to keep your bot army running any more, are you? So, not only would Jagex lose their income for all of the legit players you drove away but also from the, now, useless bots you've created and de-memberized.

ORRRRR Jagex could simply ban your ass, keep those legitimate players paying for membership, and let them spread the word to their buddies in real life that "hey here's a cool game, why don't you try it out?" New, pure income from membership fees. They don't need to keep panning out money to design systems to keep farmers like you from ruining the game, more money for profit or to spend on new content.

While your little mind is only focused to making a little profit right now you're oblivious to how you're killing the game in the long run.

 

In my opinion, I think people are seeing Jagex as a non-profit organization instead of a business. At the start, sure, Runescape was made as a non-profit, but the Gowers were looking to make it in to a business and have an office instead of holding their business within the Gower's living space. I know if Jagex wasn't being bombarded by investors, they would be giving a lot cheaper membership and actually trying to crack down on the bots, while also trying to make the game better than before.

 

the next micro transaction update will most likely be selling loyalty points, it would make sense.

you obviously think you know everything about botting and runescape, that's fine we've established that. now, i am not joking when i say bots don't ruin the game, for me, they positively affect when i played seriously. i was a pker mostly and pking supplies were cheap, potion food weapons etcetera, makes it easier for alot of people to play the game. jagex doesn't really want bots gone, they just try to appear that way by somewhat deleting some bots, and the first bot nuke was mainly botting free to play accounts anyways, something like 80-90%. they don't care about the wellbeing or what the majority of people want, they've proven that with many updates that the majority of people don't want. example squeals buying loyalty points changing graphics, nerfing effigies, there are a million others. i obviously know more than you.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to say "I've been playing 10 years". I remember when I learned to type words on a keyboard as well, regardless of their truth. I'm not buying it. On the other hand when I say I have a history with this I can back up whatever I'm saying. I registered here (join date: 2005) a while after RuneCMS died off. I knew Sythe when he was just a moderator on RuneCMS. Infact, look through the (Nick Stallmans?) archives and you'll find me registered as an old member even then. Kaitnieks turned into MoparIsTheBest and here's me there (member #691): http://www.moparisthebest.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=691

i honestly could give a shit when you joined this site, how long you've been on it, what did did on rune cms, your name on runecms, your profile on rune cms, when you learned how to type (congratulations?) how long and your status on these websites has absolutely nothing to do with what you know about any of these sites. that's awesome you've been on this site for a long time, i really don't give a rat's ass, and i never asked you. thanks.

So the difference between you and I is I can prove my claims, you cannot. I've seen Jagex take action in the past, multiple times, you have not.

i've been playing since 2002 so obviously i do, and you if you've been playing longer than my congratulations on that too, you played for a 2 years longer than me 10 years ago, that doesn't have much to do with what we're talking about. i have seen jagex take action in alot of ways many times, so i do. thanks for acting like you know something about me and making an ass out of yourself yet again.

Also, you seem to be over-looking a very obvious observation. Mass numbers of bots drive away legit players, yes? Ok, with that in mind, let's say you're a gold farmer with 100 accounts farming gold (I personally know you're one of these people). Because your swarms of bots have driven away legitimate players you now have less of a market to sell your "farmed gold". Now what? With no customers you're not going to want to keep your bot army running any more, are you? So, not only would Jagex lose their income for all of the legit players you drove away but also from the, now, useless bots you've created and de-memberized.

i don't have any bot accounts farming any gold, and you don't personally know me or know that so i guess that explains why you're wrong about that. personally wouldn't apply to someone you don't know and don't know anything about, so try a different word that means the exact opposite of personally and that might apply. hardly anyone quits solely because of bots, there are ways around them, for most people it's not that big of a deal, stop bitching lol. botted members account most likely account for more revenue that players driven away solely because they were tired of bots.

ORRRRR Jagex could simply ban your ass, keep those legitimate players paying for membership, and let them spread the word to their buddies in real life that "hey here's a cool game, why don't you try it out?" New, pure income from membership fees. They don't need to keep panning out money to design systems to keep farmers like you from ruining the game, more money for profit or to spend on new content.

lool, who goes to their friends and tells them to play runescape, thats amazingly nerdy but expected from you. i wouldn't tell any of my friends to play runescape 3, this game is shit now. and i don't bot so stop referring to me as a farmer, i don't farm idiot, stop making assumptions.

i don't need my nerves calm lol, and i dont need to justify it.. what's to justify? a bot nuke is coming but it's not going to be a real nuke, it's just going to be a platform that makes it easier for them to make updates that temporarily stop bots. in the grand scheme of things it won't make a big difference to botting. and banning them isn't going to do anything really, most bot farmers just bot for a month then sell that botting account. usually a bot will just get a 14 day ban the first time anyways, which doesn't use members day while the ban is in effect, doesn't really matter, just bot for the other 14 then sell it. that's the real way to do it. in the event it gets perm banned the 1st time it gets caught botting, which doesn't happen often, who cares it's 8 dollars a bot makes that in like a day. lolol.

nice join date-lol i feel so bad now i joined this site after you did, you're so cool in my eyes, a veteran of sythe! i'll look up to you!

yes loyalty points are currently purchased via members, i am aware of this, it's common knowledge for anyone who has played at all recently, tell more more i already know.

yes, jagex needs to appear to be against botting, which they are doing. that's kind of the point what i was saying...thanks for confirming what i already said.

i am also aware botting will never die, anyone who knows anything about color bots could tell you that.

I really don't know what your hoping to achieve by posting on my thread, but whatever it is... best of luck.

 

i agree, back when runescape was different and an awesome game, i really see old rs 2005-2007 was my fav time, as a fucking awesome game where the gowers had control of what was going on, it was just a different experience. now that the investors control 55% of stock, its changing. it doesn't matter what people want... most updates made since 07 were against what the community wanted anways, it's not going to get better now that investors own it. they're interested in cash, not in what we want. people bitch and riot and freak out about the updates, they almost never quit. if bots were actually completely obsolete, i and many others would completely quit runescape, never logging in to the site or paying a membership fee again. they don't really want bots gone, maybe jagex does, but it won't actually happen due to the fact they want money. that's just the truth.

 

You're telling me all the positives that come with botting which I am already aware of and never denied. JaGeX (like any other company) are obviously going to target and get rid of those who bot without benefiting them with memberships. That's pretty obvious and almost every developer/owner would think and act this way. They did eventually get to the P2P bots but less than F2P. Also, the bot nuke was designed to take out bots in general, be it F2P or P2P bots it didn't matter.

Bottom line is bots affect the game more than it benefits it.

 

i don't think so. it didn't for me, maybe you. i never really had a problem with bots. bottom line is that your opinion is that bots do more bad for the game than good, that's just your opinion. you're entitled to that i guess.

 

Like you said earlier, you only staked/pked. You didn't mine or the a likes. It's those places that reflect how serious the botting issue is. Before the first nuke, it was nearly impossible to mine, it was way too populated with just bots. This deters players away which at the end affects the game gravely. If it wasn't for bots, RuneScape would have been much better and there would have been much more people actually playing it.

 

consider that you sound like an idiot.

i'm not a staker, don't think i said that. and i used to skill alot too. i did alot of hunter, fishing, woodcutting, and some mining but not alot. it really didn't affect me alot.

 

Well, you said you pk'ed mostly anyways and it's almost the same thing.

Well I guess you skilled way back and don't do so anymore. Let me tell you, if you were to have gone skilling pre-nuke, you would have stopped your skilling. It's near impossible to level mining and skills a like. The bots now aren't as bad as pre-nuke. It's pretty bad and like I said earlier, it deters players away like myself and a bunch of other people. If there's so much bots to the point, players can't play anymore, they won't play and it will cause the game to do downhill. I will repeat, bots affect the game more than it benefits it. Bots in fact do not benefit the game itself in any way. It benefits it's users and provides company with money while it slowly kills the game. JaGeX are aware of this and believe its not worth getting this much money right now only to have it killed soon. They prefer it's stays alive and gets fed by real players who actually play the game years after years.

 

No, actually you can't prove anything, while I have member profiles on multiple old-school RS-cheating sites to back me up. Do you? Nice join date by the way.

Actually you do, you deal a lot with botting for gold. Let's take a look at some of your posts, shall we?

Your RSGP shop:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1431637

Here's you trying to buy a copy of Home's SummerGarden script (made specifically for gold-farmers):
http://www.sythe.org/showpost.php?p=11179922&postcount=75

Here's a thread you made trying to buy a Sorceress Garden script:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1429988

And finally here's a thread you made when SMART stopped working:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1435585


Not a gold-farmer? Your posts say otherwise...

I guess I'm "amazingly nerdy" then because I've referred the game to people before. Infact I'd imagine quite a few have referred people to RS at some point; will you call all of them 'nerdy' as well? It's ironic how how you call the game shit yet you're shaking in your shoes about the upcoming nuke. This is the second thread you've made concerning it, sounds like someone's wetting his pants. And yes, you do bot, and yes you do farm; check the links above that I posted.

Well I guess that rules you out, doesn't it?