Staking Services

Wrong.

Staking is gambling.

But you are investing into a person to gamble for you, for whichever reason you feel they have some advantage over you. You are investing into him for an increased return, which is not guaranteed. Forget the fact that it's staking for a minute, you are confusing yourself.

A guy is asking you to give him money, with an increased return(Guarenteed). It doesn't matter what he's doing he could be eating it, shitting it out and selling it to old people. You are investing in him.

Now, he is asking for money, but only with a potential to increase earnings, not a guarantee. Now the potential is factored out by the fact that he can show proof as to why your investment in him did not produce a return(As suggested). Again, it doesn't matter what the hell he is doing. You are investing in HIM.

The only difference this has to dicing is that it's not a straight gamble. It's someone asking you to invest into them to 'possibly' increase your return. The huge risk of potentially getting nothing back is supposed to be negated by the fact that they have a superhuman staking power? Which is of course absurd.

This is an investment service.

My point still stands also. If only glitched staking guides are allowed to be sold, then are people allowed to sell themselves for staking without glitches? I feel that's conflicting.

 

You are getting the person to gamble on your behalf. Just like when hosts on Runescape plant flowers for you. What's the difference? You're basically saying investing is gambling. It's not guaranteed, you said it yourself. Nor is investing, but in investing your odds are better and more planned out. You have things that may back up your decision when to invest into something. It does not apply here.

Stop bringing investing into the topic. Here's what investing is:

You're really starting to annoy me by bringing up no discussion. Investing on RS is like buying out an item, waiting for it to rise to a certain point AKA Merching. Investing isn't losing all your money or doubling it in a mere 30 seconds. So stop bringing it up, it's not related to gambling.

Someone investing into stocks. He doesn't say I make my money by gambling.

That's not the case. There is no guarantee in this service. There never was. If anyone says he would glitch for a guaranteed win, he's an obvious scammer and would most likely get his thread closed or even banned.

Not investing, asking anyone. I don't know why you keep bringing it up. That's like saying when I go to dragon dyce and play ABC flowers, where the host plants a flower for both betters, I "invest" in him? That's funny.

I'm not going to bother with the rest.

 

Actually I think it's you who is confused, Staking isnt an investment and giving someone money to stake is also not an investment. You are getting someone else to stake for you for many reasons i'll list a few possible reasons.

#I don't have a maxed account but want to stake :'( should I hire one? ah I see people are offering staking services what a swell idea.

#OMG WTF WHY DO I KEEP LAGGING SO BAD!!@!@!@!@!@ THIS F"N LAG IS MAKING ME LOSE EVERY STAKE!@!!@!@!@!@!@!@@#!@!@!!@

#All the stakers have pid except me

#I have no fucking idea how to stake and everytime i think im going to win the oppent heals, this is some class A BullShit!

Plenty of reasons why someone would use a staking service, but at the end of the day gambling is gambling, don't do it if you can't handle the risks.

Also the people offering these services would prefer to win then lose, they don't get paid if they lose.

Just to sum up, its easy to prove if the service is legit, video + watching = answer.

 

Again, you're both wrong. It is an investment service, full stop. If they allow it, they allow it. But it's 100% investment service. Sure, it differs slightly from other investment services for THE WRONG REASONS.

Staking is 100% random, and you guys feel that some people have superhuman powers in staking as to justify why they return could be nothing.

Doesn't matter why you are investing into the person offering the service, you are simply doing it because you feel this person has an advantage over you, and so has more chance to increase your return.

 

Wow... You really need to get out of this thread and stop embarrassing yourself if you don't even know what an investment means. 100% an investment service...

When investing in the stock market, does your stock go from $10 per share to 0 in a mere minute? No. I can't think of anything you can honestly say you can invest in that goes from something to 0. Even a liability doesn't do that, and you're expected a loss.

You sir must be an idiot for thinking that using someone's staking services, after analyzing, has a security of return. You say that staking is 100% random, then you also say it's an investment. An investment... that is 100% random... where you could lose what is being staked or double... yeah it's an investment...

Oh wait, does Dialatic offer you interest daily, weekly, or monthly if you, as you call it, "invest" in him? Even if investing went wrong, you lose little and never really all in a minute.

Now here, you obviously don't know what gambling is, since you're calling gambling an investment.

I hope I don't have to spoon-feed underline and put in bold the outline of what gambling means.

Investing is analyzing something, thinking it's secure, looking for a long term method to increase or slowly decrease what is invested.

You're basically calling roulette an investment. LOL.

You are the only person who thinks using a staking service is an investment... Get out of here... seriously.

 

Staking can be both seen as an investment and gambling. What changes the definition is what the person giving the money does. If he blindly gives it to the staker, it's gambling, but if a lot of thought and analysis is placed into the decision, it can easily be seen as an investment.

Do you have any idea what you just said? You basically stated that every investment is a Ponzi Scheme.

Stakers can easily scam large amounts.

Correct, but if there was a service called 'Post here and I'll fuck you in the face service,' a lot of people might also be interested. It doesn't necessarily mean Sythe wants to endorse it.

It depends on how you define dicing. If there's a service where a person dices for you, that's obviously the exact same situation as staking. If there's a service where you dice against someone, people are acting on their own behalf, but there's still a trust trade/investment situation going on, so this can be looked as similar to staking. But obviously, if someone is holding the money when two people gamble against eachother, the person offering the services can be seen more as a middleman.

Depends on the type of staking.

 

Again, you're wrong, don't care to read all of this nonsense, but it's apparent you are getting far too upset over this issue.

If you feel investment services should be acceptable, you are trying to convince the wrong person.

If you can't help but resort to personal insults in a debate, all you do is prove how ill-educated you actually are. The only person you need to convince is yourself, sir.

 

OMG... SMH. Someone teach this kid the difference between a gamble and an investment.

I've never said investment services should be acceptable. I said staking is, I never said it was an investment, I kept saying it wasn't. But you keep saying it is, with nothing to back up your answer. Get out of here if you won't bother reading why I am right and you're plain wrong. If you're not willing to give a proper answer against the reason I'm defending, then you have to get out of this section. You're seriously embarrassing yourself and proving me right in front of everyone, when you are not backing up your claim.

Go troll somewhere else, I'm 90% sure you're either trolling me or you're stupid.

Post here if you will actually back up how staking is an investment. When it completely differs from Stui's investment service, and that's the main reason investment got banned. If you're not willing to comply and just be as stubborn as a mule, then don't bother posting things like this:

"Oh you're wrong, Im right. I'm not even going to read what you say. I'm right and Im not even going to explain why."

You're not even debating, your points are making no sense, I proved all your points wrong, you haven't proved any of my claims wrong. All you're doing is saying how you're right and I'm wrong, with absolutely nothing to back you up. While I on the other hand, have given you detailed and informative posts.

To actually think I was backing up investment, rather than differentiate the 2, just proves your ability of being able to comprehend my post. You are like a 4 year old arguing with a teacher, doesn't know what the teacher means, but continues to think he's right.

 

The only way it differs from Stui's investment is that Stui had an obligation to return the investment + a percentage, whereas your proposed investment service only offers the possibility for any return whatsoever.

Secondly, stui's investment service had an element of skill/work to it, whereas this is just mindless gambling - but that's not how it will be advertised. That's to say that the person offering the investment service, is choosing to stake your investment in a bid to increase your return, and gain profits at no risk of his own.

Let's say Stui's service was advertised differently, it was for people who couldn't flip GP. He would attempt to flip it for them, because they don't know how. If it didn't work, then he didn't have to give anything back.

This is exactly what you are proposing, if what he was doing before, with an obligation of return was banned, how can this be approved?

It doesn't matter if you're saying this is for people that don't have mains or whatever, that clearly won't be the case 90% of the time. This is going to be advertised as skillful staking with 99% win chances, when really it's a gamble that anyone could do.

People invested into Stui, and he invested their money into his GP shop. He near enough had a guaranteed profit (I believe he was hacked). What you are proposing is for people to invest into you, for you to gamble it. If you feel you have odds to win, then it automatically becomes an investment by definition anyway. A gamble is something in which the outcome is wholly uncertain.

If you want to argue definitions, gambling and investment are essentially the same thing. However, a gamble is pure luck, whereas with investment you have reason to believe the odds are with you - as anyone investing into such a service would. It would be very naive to suggest that investment was only associated with stock markets.

You invest into the person primarily because you feel that his gamble has a better chance than yours. What he is doing is not actually relevant. Let's say, instead of staking the money, he was 'trying' to merchant, and if it didn't work he didn't have to give you anything back, he can show proof and all. What's the difference? Nothing.

'I'm too nooby to merchant'

'I don't understand merchanting'

'I'm F2P so I can't make good money merchanting'

Really, I fail to see a difference.

Again, if you wish for such an investment service to be allowed, you are trying to convince the wrong person.

I didn't come onto this thread trying to challenge you, acting as if you had to agree with everything I said, you picked me out.

I don't, and won't ever agree with this investment service and the likes of your ignorant self won't change that. Agree to disagree, whatever, I won't sit here trying to argue all day, personally insulting people over the internet, I have better things to do, and I don't feel the need to stoop to such a petty and childish level.

You are clearly very, very upset over this, and that's why you cannot refrain from childish name calling. If anyone here looks stupid, it's the grown man that can't even debate without taking it personally. That's just low.

Really, I have better things to do, and I don't feel it necessary to reply to yourself again, as you are still rambling, and I really don't care to talk to people that have to throw around insults to replace the knowledge and/or maturity they lack. Just think about that for a minute, and you'll realise how silly you look.

Grave has hit the nail on the head really, and also proved my point. When you quoted me, you proved yourself wrong, as it contradicts your first post. People will be investing into this solely because they feel you have a better chance of winning, which is exactly why it is an investment. Why else would you invest into another person to try generate profits, when you could just stake yourself if it was a gamble. Now someone will pull out the 'but people don't have maxed accounts' 'but people lag' card, and I've just made a very valid point as to why that doesn't change anything.

When you say 'depends on type of staking' you insinuate that you can manipulate certain factors to increase your chance of winning, which is exactly what 99% of people would post if this was ever approved, most of which would be liars/scammers anyhow. This is why people would invest into this service. This is why non-glitched staking guides are NOT allowed to be sold. These are two conflicting interests, clearly.

Bottom line is that it is worse than what Stui was doing, much worse, so if that's not allowed this surely shouldn't be.

 

It's completely different. He advertised that he knew how to flip and would make them guaranteed profit. I advertise that it's 50/50, and I have no control over the results.

I haven't had time to read the rest of the new posts, just this one. I'll reply to them all once I get the time.

I just also wanted to re-iterate that renting an account can often lead to the account being recovered, and your money being lost with no proof. With staking services, you have proof of payment, and proof of the results. It's obviously a much safer way to do it.

 

Here's what you're not getting from the other point of view.

• The people offering the staking services make it clear that the chance of winning is 50/50.
• They (the customers) don't have an account to stake with - so it's either use a staking service or rent an account. As Dialatic has pointed out, renting is much riskier.

 

Stui's was guaranteed profit, with the risk of being scammed by him. He guaranteed interest, his method was secure. People "analyzed it". He bought and sold gold, there was no way he could not make a profit, unless Jagex started wiping or his account gets banned on Runescape. And that's why it's called an investment, in the event he does lose it, he still pays back, which he did! And the clients received an interest. It was secure because he was trusted, and his donor rank made people feel more secure.

This isn't an investment service for the last time. You are not getting the big picture of how investing differs from gambling.

It's often considered that the odds are in your favor when investing. Because the risk isn't 50/50, it's more secure, you think about how it leans more into your favor before actually investing money into it. You can't say the same about gambling, the odds are often against you, that's why it relies more on luck.

You ever heard the saying that gambling can be addictive and destructive? Once you're hooked, it's hard to get out. Gambling is the fast way to make or break. Investing isn't addictive, nor is it destructive. There will always be opportunities and choices for you to invest in other things, because your money doesn't go from 100 to 0 based on luck. You can back out half way through, you can cash out anytime (in some cases).

Gambling is entertainment, investing is business. You invest, as it's the safer method, to save up for something, maybe to retire. You don't gamble to achieve that.

And here's the biggest thing you need to understand. Investors are rise-averse. Gamblers are risk-seekers. Now do you see the difference? You keep saying that I'm trying to make it sound like this staking service is an investment, and I'm trying to make investment allowed on Sythe.

Anyone that uses this staking service would obviously be seeking risk, for greater reward. Anyone that avoids risk, has less rewards but at a less greater risk.

So let's get me trying to make investing acceptable off the table for once.

Here's Stui's thread. If it was advertised differently, by not him giving the people anything back in the event he loses it, then it's a gamble people takes, not an investment. He offers a weekly/monthly interest, you can cash out anytime, which makes it an investment. His service was safer and more secure, gold flipping was guaranteed profit every sale, with the risk of getting wiped. Once again, as I said above, this was way safer and that's why it's called an investment, people that used it were avoiding bigger risks for less reward. The only risks people took were stui getting wiped/cleaned, but he'd still be able to pay them back which, as far as I know, he did.

That is an investment, less risk involved.

So as you see, there is no risk for Dialatic (The staker) here. In the end, it comes down to the client taking the risk. If the client wins, I'm sure Dialatic would pay up, he did gain something after all. So the risks to consider are:
- Dialatic losing a stake
- Dialatic scamming

Now anyone that uses his service, are risk seekers. I doubt Dialatic would scam, so it's less of a risk for some people.

The reason why this could be better is people do not have access to a secure account (read first page, you can get booted off). Not everyone knows how to stake. Basically like a host hosting flower games (plants for you).

Where does it say this? You're the one that brought it up in the first place, no one said anything about this.

Read through Dialatic's thread here.

I have yet to see someone say that your odds of winning are 99%. Because that is stupid and anyone that believes that is as well. Didn't I tell you already, if there was such a glitch or way, the stakers would be doing it themselves. Sadly there isn't, and only a fool would believe there was. I think this is where you're getting "investing" mixed up. I'll say it now, it's not like this. The quote above this paragraph shows Dialatic informing the possible future clients of the risks and how your odds aren't as great as it is.

Gave you the definition and differentiated them further in this post.

Merching is investing, staking is gambling. As shown above, your odds are near 50/50. Dialatic said it himself.

Merching isn't staking. Merching is for the risk-averse, you'll see the value of the item(s) you merch don't go directly down to 0. Now do you see the difference? You can still cash out with a 5-10% loss, unless stated otherwise. So yes, there is a difference.

I picked you out because you're the only one that thinks gambling is exactly like investing. Then when I attempt to differentiate it for you, you go ahead and say I'm wrong, then you say that I am backing up investing? I was differentiating it for you the whole time, because you insisted it was like that.

Hopefully the above has changed your mind about how it differs from an investment service. Insulting people? I had a feeling you were trolling me. You don't feel the need to stoop to a petty and childish level?

You think you didn't and I have? Did I go like this:

You provoked me by "trolling" me? I honestly hope it was a troll. No one would agree with how you keep saying gambling and investing is the same.

Honestly, you were either stupid or trolling. I'll say it straight up, as mature can be. Now you decide which you were. Think it out, I gave you the points on how they differ, all you did was disagree and call me wrong. If it was a troll then well done, you succeeded, you frustrated me.

Ask anyone in this thread, you have the completely wrong idea.

 

Staking Services are the same as dicing (I'm sure someone must have said this.) Let people choose how they want to gamble however risky it may be.

Dice hosts could walk off with bills but we trust that they won't. That's why we only gamble with the hosts we trust. Staking should be the same way.