The true face of China

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The true face of China
  1. Unread #1 - May 24, 2012 at 6:02 PM
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    The true face of China

    If we are to believe western media, China is a country on the brink of internal political and social collapse, as if that was not enough the country is accused of acting aggressively against its neighbors.
    This is not the real China.


    China loves peace, and China is a staunchly defender of peace. China itself has been a victim of imperialism and colonialism appreciate the peace in a much higher degree than most other major powers that have dominated in the past, and in the present. China needs peace and stability to build a prosperous, strong and harmonious country. It is a goal shared by all the Chinese people.



    Unfortunately there are forces outside China that are doing all they can to sabotage the harmonious development. China's leadership is fully aware of this threat, the response has implemented several measures to counter these forces. The best response is still to continue the positive development that the country has experienced without being affected by the forces trying to undermine and sabotage. China has both the wisdom and courage to resolve disputes with neighboring countries in the peaceful way, without interference from external forces. China has also gained an excellent reputation for creating good diplomatic ties with most countries, and create win-win situations in which interests all.


    Only by following the road that is marked out by the Communist Party, China can achieve success and prosperity. Socialism with Chinese characteristics is a unique economic model that has brought China tremendous prosperity and success.

    War:

    While many other great powers, past and present, resorted to raw military power under imperialism tabs, China will not follow in their footsteps. China's military development have only intended to defend the country's territorial integrity and sovereignty and to defend its economic interests. China will never be an initiator of war, but will give a crushing response to aggressors who threaten the country's integrity and security. China's good will and restraint should not be taken for granted by those who wish to intimidate and harass China. Goodwill and restraint are not synonymous with passivity and indifference.


    I share China's dream of a more peaceful and harmonious world, but I also see that there are still powerful forces who do not share these values. More advanced countries are in economic crisis in which almost resembles a depression. I am amazed at how a number of Western leaders make their priorities in these times. War, sanctions and military exercises are shown the new trend, while cutting back on welfare, education and health. This clearly shows how a number of highly developed countries are making their priorities in these tough economic times, it is to put it nicely, not very impressive. The irony is that these priorities actually lead to a worsening of the difficult economic situation that affects large parts of populations in these 'high' developed countries. Where is the logic and reason in this?

    The last thing the world needs now is more war and threats of war. What the world needs is more cooperation and development in a positive direction. China is a leader for this development, while several of the 'highly developed' countries are sitting on its hind legs, they are taking steps backward instead of forward. This development is worrying and serious.

    It is the West, as well as some other 'highly developed' countries that are at a crossroad now, not China. The choice is between the peaceful development which China promotes, or the imperialist drive to war\war-stirring as the United States and NATO are promoting. What choices these countries take will be very important for their future. Some might argue that they have already made ​​their choice, a choice that is toward the latter. Personally, I believe that it is still not too late to turn back, it is possible to reverse the negative developments that the so-called West is in, but time runs out. China stands ready with an outstretched helping hand to the West, but the West must get out of the track that they are in now.
     
  3. Unread #2 - May 24, 2012 at 6:28 PM
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    So, you mention nothing about the value of basic human rights in China. Care to enlighten us westerners on how China values Civil Rights under a communist system. Peace is all well and good, but if the people are oppressed then external peace is worthless.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China

    Both in 2009 and 2010 China spent equal amount of money as they use on their defence maintaining public security (and social stability)

    http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=1896

    Rape of Lybia, Rape of Iraq, Rape of Iran (?), Rape of Afghanistan.

    China has not resorted to imperialism and colonialism, as the old European powers did. China's success was based on hard work and discipline. Relationship to other countries have been affected by trade agreements and dialogue based on mutual respect and equality. China does not try to push their 'model' of other states. China respects other countries to organize their governance in a way that is consistent with the respective country's culture and traditions. Contrast to certain other major powers trying to impose its model of other, as China is of the view that countries must be allowed to choose their own way, and that change must come as a result of internal processes, not as a result of pressure from outside.
     
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    I agree with you that western countries actively try to discredit china and bastardize communism. However, China undeniably has humans rights violations. What about the various journalists/artists arrested? What about Tibet and the rape/assault of monks? What about the lack of free speech and prevalence of government propaganda? What about the ongoing support for an genocidal sudanese government in exchange for oil? What about a culture that is intrinsically sexist and sexually repressive? What about the complete lack of government accountability?




    What about rampant corruption? What about schools that blatantly don't comply with building codes completely collapsing during an earthquake, killing hundreds of children? What about said earthquake being covered up by the chinese government?


    I'm sorry, but your imperialist accusations of the western world don't exonerate china of her diplomatic shortcomings.
     
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    Unfortunately I am not very well informed about China. But how does the media normally portray China as a country that is 'on the brink of internal political and social collapse, as if that was not enough the country is accused of acting aggressively against its neighbors.'?
     
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    The U.S. seems no different.
     
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    Ever heard of the Four Cardinal Principles?
    Thses four principles actually override all human rights in china and anybody who defies these is not granted any rights at all. Sound fishy?
     
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    democratic dictatorship?

    How can you have a democratic dictatorship? That is a silly statement. China gives few rights, and even then they're not even promised. The government can promote peace all they want, but the truth is that they're not any better than any other country. You have failed to tackle any real issue - because human rights and social stability are not the same thing.
     
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    china preaches communism but isn't communism supposed to make an entire population economically stable? All that I've seen and heard about china is about the division of wealth between rich and poor.
     
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    The West starts wars because of free elections.

    We don't have a leader that is given his position because his father was the emperor before or his party stage a coup.

    Wars are started to raise moral, gain favor with voters, and provide jobs (soldiers, increased manufacturing).

    The reason that China loves peace is because they provide cheap labor and can't afford to start a war and maintain one. Nor do they have the technology or resources.
     
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    Whoaaa there, easy with the sweeping generalizations.

    China has a huge army and an enormous amount of weapons. They could easily start a war if they wanted to. They have nuclear technology, and loads of resources. They have tons of allies. China is undeniably a major military power. They have the most active personel and the 2nd highest military budget.

    I don't think wars occur as a result of the democratic process. I agree that some wars/occupations are politically viable, but reelection isn't always the primary motivation for war. There are other reasons i.e. protecting financial and diplomatic interests. Wars aren't always popular. In fact, starting a war is politically risky.
    Exactly. For such a supposedly equal/idealized society, they have a pretty big income disparity
     
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    Could OP please respond?
     
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    How can you say that? lol.

    I would like a representative citizen of China to please respond and clarify... OH WAIT!

    I do give credit to your divergent thinking OP but cmon, it only makes sense that while a communist nation is on the rise that the US will stagnate their progress.
     
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    http://www.philippinenews.com/top-s...ay-threaten-freedom-of-navigation-at-sea.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-16690393

    Declaring the protestors as terrorists and declaring people that self-immolate themselves as terrorists is a disgusting joke, China is no better than America, its high time you remember that.
     
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    I don't want to really get into a huge debate here but I'd like to just point out that all countries are setup like china they just throw a blanket over your head, for example:

    In china you do not own your house you rent it
    in just about every other country you can "buy" your house but every year you have to pay taxes [once or twice depending on where you live] now if you owned your house you would only have to pay a 1 time tax or a set amount but you have to pay it regardless every year or it is taken away from you by force.

    we are all in a dictatorship just some of us need glasses to see it.
     
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    So you're arguing that no one owns anything because we have to pay taxes on it?
     
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    a tax is a one time thing. you buy a video game you pay 1 tax and its yours, you buy a vehicle the same is applied. you buy a house and you have to keep paying the same tax over and over and if you ever upgrade your house that tax goes up. I never said you own nothing I said you do not own your living quarters.

    I would like to mention I was using the above to point out that honestly we are no different from any other country. every country has famine, oppression, and only choose peace until something doesn't work out in their favor. in reality nothing has changed from 1000 years ago other than the leaders of the world have gotten better at lying. we are all the same.
     
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    You're understanding of Tax is incorrect. You're referring to sales tax which is a one-off deal when you purchase something, but there are many different kinds of taxes. Property tax, Corporate taxes, Income tax, Excises, and many more kinds of taxes.

    Property tax is levied based on a per mil measurement of the value of the property through appraisal.
     
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    your failing to see the understanding of what I am trying to say.

    you BUY a home and or land. thus it should be under SALES TAX as a 1 time payment because you have BOUGHT said property. but this is not the case you have to pay a PROPERTY TAX if you stop paying said tax said property is then taken away from you by force if necessary. How can you logically deem that by all of this that said property is yours? I completely understand how taxes work etc. I am just pointing this out as most other countries that see countries like the US as free. we aren't we have the same laws you do for the most part they are just setup differently. Like I said I understand that the tax is required in order for our economy to stay afloat etc.
     
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    I was in China a month ago.

    They are very kind towards western people, and Chinese people are laboring, generous people.

    They are not opressed in any way, at least not in Shanghai.

    Can post pics of my adventures to China later on.
     
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